53 percent

[Gavin_Sons]

“Windmills cause cancer”. Our President believes that.

wind turbine operations cause electromagnetic fields (EMF), shadow flicker, audible noise, low-frequency noise and infrasound, annoyances that could disrupt sleep, induce headaches or even cause mild nausea. from liberal USA today article

now if u would put your hate aside and do some research u would find that infrasound has been linked to cancer. let me help u out here.
 Infrasound is Low Frequency Noise (LFN)  The medical term genotoxins is separated into three main groups: carcinogens, mutagens, and teratogens (i.e. toxins that cause cancer, genetic mutations, or birth defects)… LFN has been identified as a genotoxic agent of disease, capable of inducing blood vessel wall thickening as seen in autopsy, as well as through light and electron microscopy studies. This can lead to well known consequences such as tumor development, cardiac infarcts and/or the need for cardiac bypass surgery. The pathology caused by excessive exposure to LFN is termed vibroacoustic disease (VAD), and has been diagnosed among several occupational and environmentally exposed populations.
https://wryheat.wordpress.com/2019/04/09/how-infrasound-from-wind-turbines-can-cause-cancer/

so YOUR President Trump is smarter than you are.

You’re pretty good at copy and paste. Wind turbines DO NOT cause cancer. Show me a real study from some medical journal. Otherwise don’t embarrass yourself.

Not wind turbines but electromagnetic fields commonly found around homes. Seems to be an increased risk for cancer.
https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/radiation/electromagnetic-fields-fact-sheet

[The emperor has no clothes]

I hate raining on the parade you guys have going. But....

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html

Hey Meathead, once again I will bite on your bait. I really try to just ignore you most of the time because it is so comically obvious you have no interest in THE truth, only YOUR truth. It’s also obvious you are here only to attempt to set yourself up as some sort of lame ass lawyer that’s only interest is to make sure the opposite viewpoint is ALWAYS put forth, even when’s it is painfully and logically inept. My suggestion to you is  to give us all a break from your tedious, obtuse opinions.
Additionally, spare us the lie that’s you don’t enjoy it. It appears it’s the only thing you do enjoy.
In the future I will again redouble my efforts to ignore your offerings altogether. I was doing so good.

Romeo, I’m sorry you feel that way. Even though we have different political views, I always thought we respected each other’s opinions.

I’m not sure if I should be offended or flattered about the “half assed lawyer”  ??? It is curious why you are not offended by the constant opinions and postings of those on the right .  

[F6Dave]

I have a question for the Democrats out there.  Are you comfortable with the direction your party is moving?  Do you support things like banning fossil fuels, like the gasoline our Valkyries run on, just 12 years from now?  Or killing a newborn baby after a 'discussion' with the mother?

How about eliminating all private health insurance, so that your only choice is a government run system?  Or eliminating all border enforcement so anyone, from anywhere, may enter the country and vote, and receive all the benefits citizens do?

I used to be a democrat myself.  I was a volunteer for McGovern, and later for the Gary Hart senate campaign.  Then I had a government job for 7 years.  I couldn't believe the waste, and the attitudes.  I'll never forget a co-worker in the hallway screaming 'they're taking food from my babies mouths' when the free clinic he used for his family started charging a one dollar co-payment for office visits.

But like Ronald Reagan said, I didn't leave the democrat party.  The party left me.

[Jess from VA]

I have a question for the Democrats out there.  Are you comfortable with the direction your party is moving?  Do you support things like banning fossil fuels, like the gasoline our Valkyries run on, just 12 years from now?  Or killing a newborn baby after a 'discussion' with the mother?

How about eliminating all private health insurance, so that your only choice is a government run system?  Or eliminating all border enforcement so anyone, from anywhere, may enter the country and vote, and receive all the benefits citizens do?

I used to be a democrat myself.  I was a volunteer for McGovern, and later for the Gary Hart senate campaign.  Then I had a government job for 7 years.  I couldn't believe the waste, and the attitudes.  I'll never forget a co-worker in the hallway screaming 'they're taking food from my babies mouths' when the free clinic he used for his family started charging a one dollar co-payment for office visits.

But like Ronald Reagan said, I didn't leave the democrat party.  The party left me.

So was I.  Door to door; many slammed in my face.  Seems like another lifetime.

It's good to be involved and care about your country.

I's also good to know WTF you are doing. 

[Serk]

Can you imagine Kennedy or even George W making such ridiculous statements?

Yeah, the Kennedy's killed off the first offshore windfarm for good old fashioned reasons, that it would ruin their view of the ocean...

https://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=2995334

[The emperor has no clothes]

Can you imagine Kennedy or even George W making such ridiculous statements?

Yeah, the Kennedy's killed off the first offshore windfarm for good old fashioned reasons, that it would ruin their view of the ocean...

https://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=2995334

That’s a far cry from some cockamamie story the President spouted. 

[The emperor has no clothes]

I hate raining on the parade you guys have going. But....

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html

Hey Meathead, once again I will bite on your bait. I really try to just ignore you most of the time because it is so comically obvious you have no interest in THE truth, only YOUR truth. It’s also obvious you are here only to attempt to set yourself up as some sort of lame ass lawyer that’s only interest is to make sure the opposite viewpoint is ALWAYS put forth, even when’s it is painfully and logically inept. My suggestion to you is  to give us all a break from your tedious, obtuse opinions.
Additionally, spare us the lie that’s you don’t enjoy it. It appears it’s the only thing you do enjoy.
In the future I will again redouble my efforts to ignore your offerings altogether. I was doing so good.

Another one off the Meathead bandwagon, congratulations you have made a most excellent decision. 

bandwagon ? Maybe more like a Honda

[98valk]

I hate raining on the parade you guys have going. But....

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html

Hey Meathead, once again I will bite on your bait. I really try to just ignore you most of the time because it is so comically obvious you have no interest in THE truth, only YOUR truth. It’s also obvious you are here only to attempt to set yourself up as some sort of lame ass lawyer that’s only interest is to make sure the opposite viewpoint is ALWAYS put forth, even when’s it is painfully and logically inept. My suggestion to you is  to give us all a break from your tedious, obtuse opinions.
Additionally, spare us the lie that’s you don’t enjoy it. It appears it’s the only thing you do enjoy.
In the future I will again redouble my efforts to ignore your offerings altogether. I was doing so good.

great post 

[baldo]

Can you imagine Kennedy or even George W making such ridiculous statements?

Yeah, the Kennedy's killed off the first offshore windfarm for good old fashioned reasons, that it would ruin their view of the ocean...

https://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=2995334

Yeah, that pissed me off when it was all the news. But it wasn't just the Kennedy's. It was more the Koch's and their ilk that were driving it.

That was only five miles or so away from me, but I don't have waterfront property....

It survived years of legal challenges, until the utility that was contracted to buy the power backed out of it. I remember it was real slimy the way it ended.

[F6Dave]

I have a question for the Democrats out there.  Are you comfortable with the direction your party is moving?  Do you support things like banning fossil fuels, like the gasoline our Valkyries run on, just 12 years from now?  Or killing a newborn baby after a 'discussion' with the mother?

How about eliminating all private health insurance, so that your only choice is a government run system?  Or eliminating all border enforcement so anyone, from anywhere, may enter the country and vote, and receive all the benefits citizens do?

I used to be a democrat myself.  I was a volunteer for McGovern, and later for the Gary Hart senate campaign.  Then I had a government job for 7 years.  I couldn't believe the waste, and the attitudes.  I'll never forget a co-worker in the hallway screaming 'they're taking food from my babies mouths' when the free clinic he used for his family started charging a one dollar co-payment for office visits.

But like Ronald Reagan said, I didn't leave the democrat party.  The party left me.

So was I.  Door to door; many slammed in my face.  Seems like another lifetime.

It's good to be involved and care about your country.

I's also good to know WTF you are doing. 

McGovern sounded pretty radical at the time, but he'd probably be too conservative for the party today.  JFK could never be elected as a democrat today -- he was a life member of the NRA!

You don't sound like much of a democrat these days.  At what point did you leave them behind?

[Jess from VA]

Well before I finished college.  

Reinforced by USAF Jag service in Strategic Air Command, where our motto was.... to err is human, but to forgive is not SAC policy.  

My early liberalism (if that is really what it was) was almost entirely based on my objections to the Vietnam war.  Unlike many of my contemporaries, I never had one bad thing to say about the US Military, only the US government for getting us in that mess, and keeping us in that mess.

If they would have turned the war over to Curtis Lemay, we would have been out of there in a month.

When we finally had an agreement with Kissinger, the North Vietnamese dragged their feet in Paris, and it was B52's that made them sign. (Linebacker I & II)

[old2soon]

Well before I finished college.  

Reinforced by USAF Jag service in Strategic Air Command, where our motto was.... to err is human, but to forgive is not SAC policy.  

My early liberalism (if that is really what it was) was almost entirely based on my objections to the Vietnam war.  Unlike many of my contemporaries, I never had one bad thing to say about the US Military, only the US government for getting us in that mess, and keeping us in that mess.

If they would have turned the war over to Curtis Lemay, we would have been out of there in a month.

When we finally had an agreement with Kissinger, the North Vietnamese dragged their feet in Paris, and it was B52's that made them sign. (Linebacker I & II)

               Wasn't it Goldwater that wanted to give hanoi a glass parking lot that glowed for over a thousand years? Or-No surprise-have I mixed this up with someone else? RIDE SAFE.

[Jess from VA]

Goldwater shook the nuclear fist, but we didn't need nukes.  Lemay brought destruction to the length and breadth of the Japanese Islands with conventional bombing (far, far more damaging than Hiroshima and Nagasaki), and we had the ability to do the same with Hanoi (and company).

We lost too many Buffs and crews in Linebacker I, but with improved strategy (hitting from different directions and altitudes) we kicked their ass in Linebacker II.  Which forced them to sign the peace accords.  We should have done it years earlier. 

Neither the Chinese or the Russians were going to go to war over North Vietnam. 

We have had far too many serious intelligence failures in our modern military history.   

[98valk]

Goldwater shook the nuclear fist, but we didn't need nukes.  Lemay brought destruction to the length and breadth of the Japanese Islands with conventional bombing (far, far more damaging than Hiroshima and Nagasaki), and we had the ability to do the same with Hanoi (and company).

We lost too many Buffs and crews in Linebacker I, but with improved strategy (hitting from different directions and altitudes) we kicked their ass in Linebacker II.  Which forced them to sign the peace accords.  We should have done it years earlier.  

Neither the Chinese or the Russians were going to go to war over North Vietnam.  

We have had far too many serious intelligence failures in our modern military history.    

failures were mostly in Vietnam due to the politicians using insider trading of defense stocks which made themselves and friends very wealthy.

[Willow]

...
Neither the Chinese or the Russians were going to go to war over North Vietnam. 
...

Your memory is skewed.  The Chinese were certainly willing to go to limited war over North Vietnam.  They sent units to fight the NVA.  The USSR, on the other hand, were allied to North Vietnam but unwilling to go to outright war with the U.S.A.

[Jess from VA]

...
Neither the Chinese or the Russians were going to go to war over North Vietnam. 
...

Your memory is skewed.  The Chinese were certainly willing to go to limited war over North Vietnam.  They sent units to fight the NVA.  The USSR, on the other hand, were allied to North Vietnam but unwilling to go to outright war with the U.S.A.

Are you saying to fight the NVA, or to fight with the NVA.

I know there were long festering border problems between them, going way back.

I think if we had bombed Hanoi like we did Japan, the Chinese were not going to do a Korea on us. 

[Willow]

Are you saying to fight the NVA, or to fight with the NVA.

I know there were long festering border problems between them, going way back.

I think if we had bombed Hanoi like we did Japan, the Chinese were not going to do a Korea on us.  

The Chinese crossed into North Vietnam and engaged with serious fighting against the NVA.  Chinese were not good friends with North Vietnam maybe because they (North Vietnam) were tightly tied to the U.S.S.R.

[Jess from VA]

Are you saying to fight the NVA, or to fight with the NVA.

I know there were long festering border problems between them, going way back.

I think if we had bombed Hanoi like we did Japan, the Chinese were not going to do a Korea on us.  

The Chinese crossed into North Vietnam and engaged with serious fighting against the NVA.  Chinese were not good friends with North Vietnam maybe because they (North Vietnam) were tightly tied to the U.S.S.R.

Yes I knew that.  My earlier point was if the US had opened unrestricted bombing of Hanoi and NV infrastructure, neither China or Russia was going to get in the war with the NVA against us.

IE Neither the Chinese or the Russians were going to go to war over North Vietnam.

Instead of our attrition style masterful screwup war for 20 years with 58K dead. 

[Patrick]

https://www.deseretnews.com/article/46743/CHINA-ADMITS-IT-SENT-TROOPS-TO-FIGHT-THE-US-IN-VIETNAM.html

[sheets]

I have two campaign stars on my Viet Nam Service ribbon. Operation Linebacker I & II. Was over there when it officially ended. The POWs came home before I did.

[¿spoom]

Well before I finished college.  

Reinforced by USAF Jag service in Strategic Air Command, where our motto was.... to err is human, but to forgive is not SAC policy.  

My early liberalism (if that is really what it was) was almost entirely based on my objections to the Vietnam war.  Unlike many of my contemporaries, I never had one bad thing to say about the US Military, only the US government for getting us in that mess, and keeping us in that mess.

If they would have turned the war over to Curtis Lemay, we would have been out of there in a month.

When we finally had an agreement with Kissinger, the North Vietnamese dragged their feet in Paris, and it was B52's that made them sign. (Linebacker I & II)

I'm a firm believer in the adage;
"If you are under 20 and aren't a liberal, you don't have a heart.
If you are over 40 and aren't a conservative, you don't have a brain."

[Jess from VA]

Yes, I've read that many times.  But it didn't take me until 40. 

[¿spoom]

Yes, I've read that many times.  But it didn't take me until 40.