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« on: April 15, 2019, 10:10:39 AM »

On fire! Looks doubtful they will be able to save it. How did it stand this long and now go down in flames, possibly started due to recent construction work?
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« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2019, 10:16:30 AM »

That's terrible.
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« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2019, 10:41:33 AM »

And during Holy Week to just add insult to injury.  :'(

Live news feed in English from France 24 news channel for news junkies like me:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8yyiEfHIRA

I was impressed, Kali texted me, her teacher thought it was a big enough deal he is showing a news feed about it instead of his regular class for the day.

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« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2019, 11:42:48 AM »

An historic loss.   Embarrassed

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« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2019, 12:12:00 PM »

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6925015/Fire-breaks-historic-Notre-Dame-cathedral-Paris.html

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« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2019, 12:12:56 PM »

Literally a monumental loss.  Shocked  Cry

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« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2019, 12:54:09 PM »

I was there last August (2018) touring the place for a couple hours, along with the ancient underground ruins nearby unearthed in recent times. An amazing piece of architecture. A monumental catastrophic loss. A sad day in Paris and world history.  
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« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2019, 01:20:58 PM »

The word is, it was badly crumbling and falling apart (since it's kind of old).

I hate to think this way, but I wonder what kind of insurance policy it had. (if any)

It was probably workmen and power equipment.


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« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2019, 02:26:14 PM »

waiting to see if AOC inquires what became of the hunchback

Yes lost of history and historic buildings is tragic, deliberate destruction of monuments, places of worship and statues also.

Never been to Paris, do not plan to either
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« Reply #9 on: April 15, 2019, 03:44:16 PM »

waiting to see if AOC inquires what became of the hunchback

Yes lost of history and historic buildings is tragic, deliberate destruction of monuments, places of worship and statues also.

Never been to Paris, do not plan to either
You know, I never figured I would either. But it was cool. We had a good time, even with us getting nailed by the Honda rider. We didn't go in Notre Dame, just looked at the outside. It was pretty amazing. I'm glad my grandson got to see it, along with the other sights in Paris. I wouldn't say the French were as friendly as the Irish. But, they treated us well.  cooldude

To be honest. I never thought I would like NYC. But it also was pretty cool.
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« Reply #10 on: April 15, 2019, 05:17:36 PM »

just another muslim Christian church attack, since everything but islam offends them and their book tells them to destroy such things. 
so nothing to see here.

French churches are coming increasingly under attack with an average of nearly three churches per day targetted for vandalism alone over the past three years.

A report from the Central Criminal Intelligence Service (SCRC) of the gendarmerie noted that from 2016 to 2018 there had been thousands of cases of church vandalism, peaking in 2017 with 1,045 cases, Le Figaro reports.

According to the French Ministry of the Interior, when cemeteries and other sites are taken into consideration, the number of acts of vandalism rose to 1,063 in 2018.

Earlier this year, in one week alone France saw twelve churches vandalised, including attackers attempting to set fire to the church of Saint-Sulpice in Paris.

In Nimes, an even more heinous attack occurred, with vandals smearing faeces on the wall of the church of Notre-Dame des Enfants and stealing objects from the altar.

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/03/30/macrons-france-average-of-three-church-attacks-per-day/
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« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2019, 12:36:29 AM »

I was there two years ago painful to watch the video but it sounds like it will be saved but it will take time to rebuild.
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« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2019, 07:55:06 AM »

just another muslim Christian church attack, since everything but islam offends them and their book tells them to destroy such things. 
so nothing to see here.

French churches are coming increasingly under attack with an average of nearly three churches per day targetted for vandalism alone over the past three years.

A report from the Central Criminal Intelligence Service (SCRC) of the gendarmerie noted that from 2016 to 2018 there had been thousands of cases of church vandalism, peaking in 2017 with 1,045 cases, Le Figaro reports.

According to the French Ministry of the Interior, when cemeteries and other sites are taken into consideration, the number of acts of vandalism rose to 1,063 in 2018.

Earlier this year, in one week alone France saw twelve churches vandalised, including attackers attempting to set fire to the church of Saint-Sulpice in Paris.

In Nimes, an even more heinous attack occurred, with vandals smearing faeces on the wall of the church of Notre-Dame des Enfants and stealing objects from the altar.

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/03/30/macrons-france-average-of-three-church-attacks-per-day/

any proof this was an attack by muslims? I have not heard anything about that and i listen to some pretty hard leaning right radio stations.
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« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2019, 07:57:52 AM »

just another muslim Christian church attack, since everything but islam offends them and their book tells them to destroy such things. 
so nothing to see here.



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« Reply #14 on: April 16, 2019, 08:07:55 AM »

just another muslim Christian church attack, since everything but islam offends them and their book tells them to destroy such things. 
so nothing to see here.



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He can't help himself. I have come to pity him over the years, versus the disdain I used to feel for his posts.
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« Reply #15 on: April 16, 2019, 08:26:22 AM »

waiting to see if AOC inquires what became of the hunchback

Yes lost of history and historic buildings is tragic, deliberate destruction of monuments, places of worship and statues also.

Never been to Paris, do not plan to either

In 1984 and 1985 I was in Paris 5 or 6 times.

I had a great time everytime that I went there.

The amount of history there  blows your mind.

I would love to take my wife there sometime, but I do worry if we would be safe or not.

 
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« Reply #16 on: April 16, 2019, 08:31:28 AM »

just another muslim Christian church attack, since everything but islam offends them and their book tells them to destroy such things. 
so nothing to see here.

French churches are coming increasingly under attack with an average of nearly three churches per day targetted for vandalism alone over the past three years.

A report from the Central Criminal Intelligence Service (SCRC) of the gendarmerie noted that from 2016 to 2018 there had been thousands of cases of church vandalism, peaking in 2017 with 1,045 cases, Le Figaro reports.

According to the French Ministry of the Interior, when cemeteries and other sites are taken into consideration, the number of acts of vandalism rose to 1,063 in 2018.

Earlier this year, in one week alone France saw twelve churches vandalised, including attackers attempting to set fire to the church of Saint-Sulpice in Paris.

In Nimes, an even more heinous attack occurred, with vandals smearing faeces on the wall of the church of Notre-Dame des Enfants and stealing objects from the altar.

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/03/30/macrons-france-average-of-three-church-attacks-per-day/


I sincerely hope that the destruction of Notre Dame was not intentional (No matter who did it).

They are saying that they believe the fire was accidently started by construction workers.

Let's hope that is the case.

If it were a deliberate act by terrorists, I believe that they would have taken credit for it by now.
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« Reply #17 on: April 16, 2019, 08:33:34 AM »

waiting to see if AOC inquires what became of the hunchback

Yes lost of history and historic buildings is tragic, deliberate destruction of monuments, places of worship and statues also.

Never been to Paris, do not plan to either

In 1984 and 1985 I was in Paris 5 or 6 times.

I had a great time everytime that I went there.

The amount of history there  blows your mind.

I would love to take my wife there sometime, but I do worry if we would be safe or not.

 
I felt completely safe. My grandson and I would explore the neighborhood at night even. It was an area that was very diverse in ethnicity. Everybody was fine.
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« Reply #18 on: April 16, 2019, 08:36:11 AM »

Never been to Paris, do not plan to either

My trip to Paris was unplanned and unexpected, I was fully expecting to hate the place and be miserable.

I found it to be quite the opposite, incredible beauty, friendly people, and I've had more challenges finding an English speaker in New York City than I did in Paris.

If you get the chance, I highly recommend going.

Of course, I'd avoid the "no-go" zones, but if you stick to the main tourist areas you'd be perfectly fine and safe.

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« Reply #19 on: April 16, 2019, 08:53:42 AM »

...and I've had more challenges finding an English speaker in New York City than I did in Paris.

I find this both funny and sad...
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« Reply #20 on: April 16, 2019, 08:55:44 AM »

just another muslim Christian church attack, since everything but islam offends them and their book tells them to destroy such things. 
so nothing to see here.

French churches are coming increasingly under attack with an average of nearly three churches per day targetted for vandalism alone over the past three years.

A report from the Central Criminal Intelligence Service (SCRC) of the gendarmerie noted that from 2016 to 2018 there had been thousands of cases of church vandalism, peaking in 2017 with 1,045 cases, Le Figaro reports.

According to the French Ministry of the Interior, when cemeteries and other sites are taken into consideration, the number of acts of vandalism rose to 1,063 in 2018.

Earlier this year, in one week alone France saw twelve churches vandalised, including attackers attempting to set fire to the church of Saint-Sulpice in Paris.

In Nimes, an even more heinous attack occurred, with vandals smearing faeces on the wall of the church of Notre-Dame des Enfants and stealing objects from the altar.

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/03/30/macrons-france-average-of-three-church-attacks-per-day/


I sincerely hope that the destruction of Notre Dame was not intentional (No matter who did it).

They are saying that they believe the fire was accidently started by construction workers.

Let's hope that is the case.

If it were a deliberate act by terrorists, I believe that they would have taken credit for it by now.

The number of anti-Semitic attacks (541) rose 74 per cent from 2017-2018 while anti-Muslim attacks numbered just 100, the lowest since 2010.

Meanwhile in the same period, there were 1063 anti-Christian attacks, a slight increase on the previous year.

According to Ellen Fantini, anti-Christian attacks are being minimized despite representing the largest share of hate crimes.

According to reports, the number of Jews fleeing France for their safety has dramatically increased since 2000.

In one Paris suburb alone – Seine-Saint-Denis – 40 per cent of the population is Muslim while 400,000 illegal immigrants also live there.
https://europe.infowars.com/france-attacks-against-jews-christians-continue-to-rise/
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« Reply #21 on: April 16, 2019, 09:18:59 AM »

So far there's been no proof this was anything but an accident, but the suspicion I believe is justified. But not automatic guilt.

This article is just a few days old:

https://www.france24.com/en/20190412-france-jails-jihadist-woman-accused-over-foiled-terror-attack

Yesterday was the very first day of Holy Week, the most important week to Catholicism of the year. And that is the day the cathedral burned.

And this was from last month:

https://www.newsweek.com/spate-attacks-catholic-churches-france-sees-altars-desecrated-christ-statue-1370800

April 15th is also the anniversary of the Boston Marathon Bombings.

So there's definitely some coincidences there.... Enough to take a good hard look, but let's not be like the other side and jump to conclusions without facts and evidence.
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« Reply #22 on: April 16, 2019, 09:33:59 AM »

just another muslim Christian church attack, since everything but islam offends them and their book tells them to destroy such things. 
so nothing to see here.



 uglystupid2 uglystupid2 uglystupid2 laugh
He can't help himself. I have come to pity him over the years, versus the disdain I used to feel for his posts.
Sorry guys but I don't understand the reason for your responses to 98Valk's post. From what I read it's factual re. islam and the vicious directives written by a paedophile, unless you're zeroing in on the final comment. Again, I have to agree with it. Maybe it should have read "so, nothing 'new' to see here." Aside from that.....  ???
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« Reply #23 on: April 16, 2019, 09:45:17 AM »

just another muslim Christian church attack, since everything but islam offends them and their book tells them to destroy such things. 
so nothing to see here.



 uglystupid2 uglystupid2 uglystupid2 laugh
He can't help himself. I have come to pity him over the years, versus the disdain I used to feel for his posts.
Sorry guys but I don't understand the reason for your responses to 98Valk's post. From what I read it's factual re. islam and the vicious directives written by a paedophile, unless you're zeroing in on the final comment. Again, I have to agree with it. Maybe it should have read "so, nothing 'new' to see here." Aside from that.....  ???
It's his predisposition to quickly accuse Muslims without qualification, despite the lack of evidence and the likelihood of the contrary.
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« Reply #24 on: April 16, 2019, 09:52:55 AM »

just another muslim Christian church attack, since everything but islam offends them and their book tells them to destroy such things. 
so nothing to see here.



 uglystupid2 uglystupid2 uglystupid2 laugh
He can't help himself. I have come to pity him over the years, versus the disdain I used to feel for his posts.
Sorry guys but I don't understand the reason for your responses to 98Valk's post. From what I read it's factual re. islam and the vicious directives written by a paedophile, unless you're zeroing in on the final comment. Again, I have to agree with it. Maybe it should have read "so, nothing 'new' to see here." Aside from that.....  ???
It's his predisposition to quickly accuse Muslims without qualification, despite the lack of evidence and the likelihood of the contrary.
Thank you. I was trying to think how to explain it to John. You said it much better, easier, succinctly than I could.
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« Reply #25 on: April 16, 2019, 09:56:34 AM »

just another muslim Christian church attack, since everything but islam offends them and their book tells them to destroy such things. 
so nothing to see here.



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so administrators, If I wrote that somebody was ugly stupid my post would be pulled, yet mr baldo uses the meme to many posters all of the time, yet his are not pulled.
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« Reply #26 on: April 16, 2019, 10:02:32 AM »

just another muslim Christian church attack, since everything but islam offends them and their book tells them to destroy such things. 
so nothing to see here.



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He can't help himself. I have come to pity him over the years, versus the disdain I used to feel for his posts.

so when was the last time/yr u were involved with the military and had any training? when u were in the military were u enlisted or an officer?
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« Reply #27 on: April 16, 2019, 10:14:24 AM »


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Sorry guys but I don't understand the reason for your responses to 98Valk's post. From what I read it's factual re. islam and the vicious directives written by a paedophile, unless you're zeroing in on the final comment. Again, I have to agree with it. Maybe it should have read "so, nothing 'new' to see here." Aside from that.....  ???
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It's his predisposition to quickly accuse Muslims without qualification, despite the lack of evidence and the likelihood of the contrary.
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The real reason Thomas Jefferson owned a copy of the Quran~

A 232 Year History of our fight against Islam & why it is no longer taught
in our public schools...

When Thomas Jefferson saw there was no negotiating with Muslims, he formed
what is now the Marines (sea going soldiers). These Marines were attached to
U. S. Merchant vessels. When the Muslims attacked U.S. merchant vessels they
were repulsed by armed soldiers, but there is more.

The Marines followed the Muslims back to their villages and killed every
man, woman, and child in the village.

It didn't take long for the Muslims to leave U.S. Merchant vessels alone.

English and French merchant vessels started running up our flag when
entering the Mediterranean to secure safe travel.

Why the Marine Hymn contains the verse, "To the Shores of Tripoli ".

This is very interesting and a must read piece of our history. It points out
where we may be heading.

Most Americans are unaware of the fact that over two hundred years ago the
United States had declared war on Islam, and Thomas Jefferson led the
charge!

At the height of the 18th century, Muslim pirates (the "Barbary Pirates")
were the terror of the Mediterranean and a large area of the North Atlantic
.

They attacked every ship in sight, and held the crews for exorbitant
ransoms. Those taken hostage were subjected to barbaric treatment and wrote
heart-breaking letters home, begging their governments and families to pay
whatever their Mohammedan captors demanded.

These extortionists of the high seas represented the North African Islamic
nations of Tripoli, Tunis , Morocco , and Algiers - collectively referred to
as the Barbary Coast - and presented a dangerous and unprovoked threat to
the new American Republic .

Before the Revolutionary War, U.S. merchant ships had been under the
protection of Great Britain . When the U.S. declared its independence and
entered into war, the ships of the United States were protected by France.

However, once the war was won, America had to protect its own fleets.

Thus, the birth of the U.S. Navy. Beginning in 1784, 17 years before he
would become president, Thomas Jefferson became America's Minister to
France. That same year, the U.S. Congress sought to appease its Muslim
adversaries by following in the footsteps of European nations who paid
bribes to the Barbary States rather than engaging them in war.

In July of 1785, Algerian pirates captured American ships, and the Dye of
Algiers demanded an unheard-of ransom of $60,000. It was a plain and simple
case of extortion, and Thomas Jefferson was vehemently opposed to any
further payments.

Instead, he proposed to Congress the formation of a coalition of allied
nations who together could force the Islamic states into peace. A
disinterested Congress decided to pay the ransom.

In 1786, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams met with Tripoli's ambassador to
Great Britain to ask by what right his nation attacked American ships and
enslaved American citizens, and why Muslims held so much hostility towards
America, a nation with which they had no previous contacts.

The two future presidents reported that Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman
Adja had answered that Islam "was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that
it was written in their Quran that all nations who would not acknowledge
their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war
upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could
take as prisoners, and that every Musselman (Muslim) who should be slain in
battle was sure to go to Paradise."

Despite this stunning admission of premeditated violence on non-Muslim
nations, as well as the objections of many notable American leaders,
including George Washington, who warned that caving in was both wrong and
would only further embolden the enemy, for the following fifteen years, the
u\American government paid the Muslims millions of dollars for the safe
passage of American ships or the return of American hostages.

The payments in ransom and tribute amounted to over 20 percent of the United
States government annual revenues in 1800.

Jefferson was disgusted. Shortly after his being sworn in as the third
President of the United States in 1801, the Pasha of Tripoli sent him a note
demanding the immediate payment of $225,000 plus $25,000 a year for every
year forthcoming.

That changed everything.

Jefferson let the Pasha know, in no uncertain terms, what he could do with
his demand. The Pasha responded by cutting down the flagpole at the American
consulate and declared war on the United States.

Tunis, Morocco, and Algiers immediately followed suit.

Jefferson, until now, had been against America raising a naval force for
anything beyond coastal defense, but, having watched his nation be cowed by
Islamic thuggery for long enough, decided that it was finally time to meet
force with force.

He dispatched a squadron of frigates to the Mediterranean and taught the
Muslim nations of the Barbary Coast a lesson he hoped they would never
forget. Congress authorized Jefferson to empower U.S. ships to seize all
vessels and goods of the Pasha of Tripoli and to "cause to be done all other
acts of precaution or hostility as the state of war would justify".

When Algiers and Tunis, who were both accustomed to American cowardice and
acquiescence, saw the newly independent United States had both the will and
the right to strike back, they quickly abandoned their allegiance to
Tripoli.

The war with Tripoli lasted for four more years, and raged up again in 1815.
The bravery of the U.S. Marine Corps in these wars led to the line "to the
shores of Tripoli" in the Marine Hymn, and they would forever be known as
"leathernecks" for the leather collars of their uniforms, designed to
prevent their heads from being cut off by the Muslim scimitars when boarding
enemy ships.

Islam, and what its Barbary followers justified doing in the name of their
prophet and their god, disturbed Jefferson quite deeply.

America had a tradition of religious tolerance. In fact Jefferson, himself,
had co-authored the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom, but
fundamentalist Islam was like no other religion the world had ever seen.

A religion based on supremacy, whose holy book not only condoned but
mandated violence against unbelievers, was unacceptable to him.

His greatest fear was that someday this brand of Islam would return and pose
an even greater threat to the United States .

This should concern every American. That Muslims have brought about
women-only classes and swimming times in America at taxpayer-funded
universities and public pools; that Christians, Jews, and Hindus have been
banned from serving on juries where Muslim defendants are being judged;
Piggy banks and Porky Pig tissue dispensers have been banned from workplaces
because they offend Islamist sensibilities; ice cream has been discontinued
at certain Burger King locations because the picture on the wrapper looks
similar to the Arabic script for Allah; public schools are pulling pork from
their menus; on and on and on and on..

It's death by a thousand cuts, or inch-by-inch as some refer to it, and most
Americans have no idea that this battle is being waged every day across
America. By not fighting back, by allowing groups to obfuscate what is
really happening, and not insisting that the Islamists adapt to our culture,
the United States is cutting its own throat with a politically correct
knife, and helping to further the Islamists' agenda.

Sadly, it appears that today America's leaders would rather be politically
correct than victorious!

IF YOU DO NOT REMEMBER THE PAST, YOU ARE DOOMED TO REPEAT IT.
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« Reply #28 on: April 16, 2019, 10:36:54 AM »

https://mobile.twitter.com/TipsyPianoBar/status/1117938596952993793

1st and 3rd videos show a “person” while they are hosing down the fire.

Put on your foil hat for the second video ...
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« Reply #29 on: April 16, 2019, 11:14:47 AM »


The real reason Thomas Jefferson owned a copy of the Quran~

A 232 Year History of our fight against Islam & why it is no longer taught
in our public schools...

When Thomas Jefferson saw there was no negotiating with Muslims, he formed
what is now the Marines (sea going soldiers). These Marines were attached to
U. S. Merchant vessels. When the Muslims attacked U.S. merchant vessels they
were repulsed by armed soldiers, but there is more.


Thanks for the history lesson, it was appreciated.

While I like a good conspiracy theory and I have little to no trust of Muslims as a whole.

I don't believe that we should immediately blame them for yesterday's fire at Notre Dame.

Serk has made some pretty good points and I'm confident that the French authorities will explore the possibility that it could've been a deliberate act.

It's just too early to be pointing fingers.


Besides, If this were a deliberate act perpetrated by an Islamic terrorist organization, I think that they would falling all over themselves to take credit for it.  
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« Reply #30 on: April 16, 2019, 11:29:22 AM »

The real reason Thomas Jefferson owned a copy of the Quran~

A 232 Year History of our fight against Islam & why it is no longer taught
in our public schools...

...It's death by a thousand cuts, or inch-by-inch as some refer to it, and most
Americans have no idea that this battle is being waged every day across
America. By not fighting back, by allowing groups to obfuscate what is
really happening, and not insisting that the Islamists adapt to our culture,
the United States is cutting its own throat with a politically correct
knife, and helping to further the Islamists' agenda.

Sadly, it appears that today America's leaders would rather be politically
correct than victorious!

IF YOU DO NOT REMEMBER THE PAST, YOU ARE DOOMED TO REPEAT IT.

And there you have it, convincing proof that Muslims are responsible for the Notre Dame fire.

The essay is equally convincing that Muslims are behind the recent Boeing 737 Max crashes as well.
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« Reply #31 on: April 16, 2019, 11:50:42 AM »

Given the amount of previously documented muslim church vandalism, and given the politics of the nation, I wouldn't be too sure the French authorities would report it as such, even if they had good evidence of it.

They might not want to give them credit for such a large attack (encouraging them), they might not want to admit they let it happen, they might be afraid of counter attacks on mosques/muslims by Frenchmen, they might not want big political fights and demonstrations about immigration, or to empower their right wing in elections (if they have one). 

And it might be a complete accident.

Who knows (at this point anyway)?



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« Reply #32 on: April 16, 2019, 12:09:12 PM »

just another muslim Christian church attack, since everything but islam offends them and their book tells them to destroy such things. 
so nothing to see here.



 uglystupid2 uglystupid2 uglystupid2 laugh


so administrators, If I wrote that somebody was ugly stupid my post would be pulled, yet mr baldo uses the meme to many posters all of the time, yet his are not pulled.

Is your skin thicker than his?
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« Reply #33 on: April 16, 2019, 12:10:48 PM »

I think the French should give up on a rebuild. You will NEVER be able to duplicate.

I think they should go all out and build a new cathedral incorporating the shell of the old.

Something very, very ultra modern.
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« Reply #34 on: April 16, 2019, 12:15:26 PM »

just another muslim Christian church attack, since everything but islam offends them and their book tells them to destroy such things. 
so nothing to see here.



 uglystupid2 uglystupid2 uglystupid2 laugh


so administrators, If I wrote that somebody was ugly stupid my post would be pulled, yet mr baldo uses the meme to many posters all of the time, yet his are not pulled.

Is your skin thicker than his?
I thought they were called emojis or emoticons ? I thought memes were Serk's forte' ?

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« Reply #35 on: April 16, 2019, 01:19:23 PM »

The real reason Thomas Jefferson owned a copy of the Quran~

A 232 Year History of our fight against Islam & why it is no longer taught
in our public schools...

...It's death by a thousand cuts, or inch-by-inch as some refer to it, and most
Americans have no idea that this battle is being waged every day across
America. By not fighting back, by allowing groups to obfuscate what is
really happening, and not insisting that the Islamists adapt to our culture,
the United States is cutting its own throat with a politically correct
knife, and helping to further the Islamists' agenda.

Sadly, it appears that today America's leaders would rather be politically
correct than victorious!

IF YOU DO NOT REMEMBER THE PAST, YOU ARE DOOMED TO REPEAT IT.

And there you have it, convincing proof that Muslims are responsible for the Notre Dame fire.

The essay is equally convincing that Muslims are behind the recent Boeing 737 Max crashes as well.

your country is being over run and the scales are on your eyes.

https://trump-train.com/2019/03/17/canada-muslim-attacks-christian-preacher-i-have-right-to-attack-anyone-who-doesnt-respect-islam/

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2017/10/01/a-list-of-canadas-terror-incidents-and-attacks.html
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« Reply #36 on: April 16, 2019, 01:28:45 PM »

I'm not sure what the people running Notre Dame had to do with Hillary Clinton's campaign but I'd bet the servers are lost. The Democrats might want to do a head count about now too.

Alternate Theory time.

Trump colluded with the Pope to build a Trump/Papal Tower on that location.

Climate change. It did get hot. No question about it.

North Korean secret missile test gone awry.

RUSSIANS!

Spontaneous Collusion.

 



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« Reply #37 on: April 16, 2019, 02:38:34 PM »

The real reason Thomas Jefferson owned a copy of the Quran~

A 232 Year History of our fight against Islam & why it is no longer taught
in our public schools...

...It's death by a thousand cuts, or inch-by-inch as some refer to it, and most
Americans have no idea that this battle is being waged every day across
America. By not fighting back, by allowing groups to obfuscate what is
really happening, and not insisting that the Islamists adapt to our culture,
the United States is cutting its own throat with a politically correct
knife, and helping to further the Islamists' agenda.

Sadly, it appears that today America's leaders would rather be politically
correct than victorious!

IF YOU DO NOT REMEMBER THE PAST, YOU ARE DOOMED TO REPEAT IT.

And there you have it, convincing proof that Muslims are responsible for the Notre Dame fire.

The essay is equally convincing that Muslims are behind the recent Boeing 737 Max crashes as well.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8876237/world-cup-cleric-qatar-guide-muslim-men-beat-wives/
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« Reply #38 on: April 16, 2019, 03:31:01 PM »

Just to keep it interesting, I'll run with a different theory. The cathedral was undergoing a multi-BILLION dollar restoration, including the melting of lead for various flashings and other roof components. If you look at the fire picture, you can see the burning structure is surrounded by burning scaffolding. A similar thing happened in Milwaukee, WI about a year ago, another cathedral on a smaller scale, of course. I've seen this happen many times, to where I swear the main cause of giant old churches burning down is the crews restoring them. Maybe it's God's way of saying, "STOP SPENDING ALL THAT MONEY ON BUILDINGS!!!" ?  angel
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« Reply #39 on: April 16, 2019, 04:33:47 PM »

Just to keep it interesting, I'll run with a different theory. The cathedral was undergoing a multi-BILLION dollar restoration, including the melting of lead for various flashings and other roof components. If you look at the fire picture, you can see the burning structure is surrounded by burning scaffolding. A similar thing happened in Milwaukee, WI about a year ago, another cathedral on a smaller scale, of course. I've seen this happen many times, to where I swear the main cause of giant old churches burning down is the crews restoring them. Maybe it's God's way of saying, "STOP SPENDING ALL THAT MONEY ON BUILDINGS!!!" ?  angel

Milwaukee, WI?? Isn't that where they build oil burning Harleys? Coincidence??
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