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Started by Valkorado, Sun 05, Apr 2020, 12:27:35

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Valkorado

Okay, by now most here know I think this coronavirus is serious.  This morning the US surgeon general said the 'saddest week of most Americans' lives' ahead.

https://www.syracuse.com/coronavirus/2020/04/coronavirus-us-surgeon-general-warns-saddest-week-of-most-americans-lives-ahead.html

In my case, I can say with confidence that I seriously doubt that.  I am not one to complain, but I've had my share of deep sorrow and tribulation.  I watched my beloved mother die from the ravages of ALS.  I saw my dear dad make an arguably justifiable and definitely understandable escape from this ol' world.  I've dealt with physical hardship and I cope with pain on a daily basis.  I wasn't around to see the world wars or Pearl Harbor, but do remember 'nam and cried real tears watching our twin towers fall with so many innocent Americans still trapped inside them.

So, I still say we'll get through this, as individuals and collectively as a nation.  It sounds like in the near future it may not be pretty, and it will likely be very sad to see the virus attack the weakest and most vulnerable people in our society.  But I doubt it will be the saddest week in my life, and I'm willing to bet it won't be the saddest week in your lives, either.

Carry on, and be safe!  :cooldude:
Have you ever noticed when you're feeling really good,
there's always a pigeon that'll come sh!t on your hood?
- John Prine

97 Tourer "Silver Bullet"
01 Interstate "Ruby"


scooperhsd

The 3 worst weeks of my life were losing Mom, Dad, and FIL. Followed closely by the deaths of MIL's Mom and one sister.

My personal bad things don't even compare to those...yet.

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Quote from: Valkorado on Sun 05, Apr 2020, 12:27:35
Okay, by now most here know I think this coronavirus is serious.  This morning the US surgeon general said the 'saddest week of most Americans' lives' ahead.

https://www.syracuse.com/coronavirus/2020/04/coronavirus-us-surgeon-general-warns-saddest-week-of-most-americans-lives-ahead.html

In my case, I can say with confidence that I seriously doubt that.  I am not one to complain, but I've had my share of deep sorrow and tribulation.  I watched my beloved mother die from the ravages of ALS.  I saw my dear dad make an arguably justifiable and definitely understandable escape from this ol' world.  I've dealt with physical hardship and I cope with pain on a daily basis.  I wasn't around to see the world wars or Pearl Harbor, but do remember 'nam and cried real tears watching our twin towers fall with so many innocent Americans still trapped inside them.

So, I still say we'll get through this, as individuals and collectively as a nation.  It sounds like in the near future it may not be pretty, and it will likely be very sad to see the virus attack the weakest and most vulnerable people in our society.  But I doubt it will be the saddest week in my life, and I'm willing to bet it won't be the saddest week in your lives, either.

Carry on, and be safe!  :cooldude:

:cooldude:

baldo

Quote from: Valkorado on Sun 05, Apr 2020, 12:27:35
Okay, by now most here know I think this coronavirus is serious.  This morning the US surgeon general said the 'saddest week of most Americans' lives' ahead.

https://www.syracuse.com/coronavirus/2020/04/coronavirus-us-surgeon-general-warns-saddest-week-of-most-americans-lives-ahead.html

In my case, I can say with confidence that I seriously doubt that.  I am not one to complain, but I've had my share of deep sorrow and tribulation.  I watched my beloved mother die from the ravages of ALS.  I saw my dear dad make an arguably justifiable and definitely understandable escape from this ol' world.  I've dealt with physical hardship and I cope with pain on a daily basis.  I wasn't around to see the world wars or Pearl Harbor, but do remember 'nam and cried real tears watching our twin towers fall with so many innocent Americans still trapped inside them.

So, I still say we'll get through this, as individuals and collectively as a nation.  It sounds like in the near future it may not be pretty, and it will likely be very sad to see the virus attack the weakest and most vulnerable people in our society.  But I doubt it will be the saddest week in my life, and I'm willing to bet it won't be the saddest week in your lives, either.

Carry on, and be safe!  :cooldude:

Well said...... :cooldude:

DDT (12)

Seth,

Well said, indeed! Thanks for sharing some of the painful details of your life... and the basis of your belief in the resilience of the human spirit. I share your sentiments...

DDT
Don't just dream it... LIVE IT!

See ya down the road...

h13man

 :cooldude: Well put. We that have some "mileage" on us have dealt with lot in the past 60+ years. This virus is more about "mainstream media" justifying their existence but I do commend the update from Washington but still skeptical about how far we are going as a nation combating the virus.

DarkSideR

#6
Saddest week in America? Really!

Chance of dying from:
- Corona                       0.06% (using projected 200,000 US deaths/worse case)
- Influenza                    0.002%
- Respiratory Disease    3.57%
- Heart disease             14.29%
- Accident (Self Harm)  1.05%
- Car Accident               0.88%
- Pedestrian Incident     0.15%
- Motorcycle  Accident   0.10%
- Assault by Firearm      0.27%
(resource www.nsc.org/work-safety/tools-resources/injury-facts/chart)

So it's not a sad week for Americans who die from the flu, other diseases, accidental deaths, car accidents, motorcycle accidents, etc, etc, etc?
Any death is sad. What is making dying from C-19 more tragic?
Answer - the media.

I am angry at the media based fear mongering. It must stop!
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Valkorado

#7
Quote from: DarkSideR on Mon 06, Apr 2020, 11:40:26

It must stop!


It will.  Looks like we'll be over the hump in a couple weeks.  Hang in there!
Have you ever noticed when you're feeling really good,
there's always a pigeon that'll come sh!t on your hood?
- John Prine

97 Tourer "Silver Bullet"
01 Interstate "Ruby"


Willow

In fairness I'm sure the Surgeon General didn't mean that this week would be the saddest for each and every American.  I believe he meant that the upcoming week would be that saddest that America as a whole has experienced.

I do join you, though, I doubt it's accurate.

The emperor has no clothes

It seems odd to me the amount of you who are pissed at the media for reporting what the health experts are projecting.  :o Do you feel the media is untruthful about it ? Do you feel the experts are being untruthful ?

DarkSideR

Quote from: meathead on Mon 06, Apr 2020, 13:50:14
It seems odd to me the amount of you who are pissed at the media for reporting what the health experts are projecting.  :o Do you feel the media is untruthful about it ? Do you feel the experts are being untruthful ?

That isn't what is going on.

The health experts have used different scenarios to put out different projections. The media used the worse case scenario, which was wrong. I have since watched quite a few health experts pointing this out.
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_Sheffjs_

Quote from: meathead on Mon 06, Apr 2020, 13:50:14
It seems odd to me the amount of you who are pissed at the media for reporting what the health experts are projecting.  :o Do you feel the media is untruthful about it ? Do you feel the experts are being untruthful ?


As long as it is not puffed up news information, however I have noticed a lot of hysteria sent in PMs and on YouTube showing non-mainstream garbage, the latest, it is not a virus but the 5g. Problem is no mater who is puffing this up, feeds on many that bite.    

f6john

Quote from: meathead on Mon 06, Apr 2020, 13:50:14
It seems odd to me the amount of you who are pissed at the media for reporting what the health experts are projecting.  :o Do you feel the media is untruthful about it ? Do you feel the experts are being untruthful ?

How many ways can you say, it's bad? Everyone knows that by now. How about the media concentrating on positive developments, the stories are out there but I guess doom and gloom sells better. In general I only expect the media to present what they want reported and the way they want it reported. The numbers don't lie so just report them and move on!

The emperor has no clothes

Quote from: DarkSideR on Mon 06, Apr 2020, 13:57:06
Quote from: meathead on Mon 06, Apr 2020, 13:50:14
It seems odd to me the amount of you who are pissed at the media for reporting what the health experts are projecting.  :o Do you feel the media is untruthful about it ? Do you feel the experts are being untruthful ?

That isn't what is going on.

The health experts have used different scenarios to put out different projections. The media used the worse case scenario, which was wrong. I have since watched quite a few health experts pointing this out.
Maybe it's what you watch and read. The projections I've seen, from what I can determine are reputable experts, are that :
If we did nothing, up to 2 million could die. With mitigation (social distancing) we could bring it down to 100k. Now, these are nothing more than projections ( educated guesses) but I see no reason for Fauci, Birx, and others to be fudging the numbers. And I certainly see no reason for the media not to report it.

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Quote from: f6john on Mon 06, Apr 2020, 14:02:45
Quote from: meathead on Mon 06, Apr 2020, 13:50:14
It seems odd to me the amount of you who are pissed at the media for reporting what the health experts are projecting.  :o Do you feel the media is untruthful about it ? Do you feel the experts are being untruthful ?

How many ways can you say, it's bad? Everyone knows that by now. How about the media concentrating on positive developments, the stories are out there but I guess doom and gloom sells better. In general I only expect the media to present what they want reported and the way they want it reported. The numbers don't lie so just report them and move on!

The media panders to what their audience wants (HAS BEEN TRAINED TO EXPECT).

Hence the rise of crap reality TV shows.

Skinhead

#15
Quote from: f6john on Mon 06, Apr 2020, 14:02:45
Quote from: meathead on Mon 06, Apr 2020, 13:50:14
It seems odd to me the amount of you who are pissed at the media for reporting what the health experts are projecting.  :o Do you feel the media is untruthful about it ? Do you feel the experts are being untruthful ?

How many ways can you say, it's bad? Everyone knows that by now. How about the media concentrating on positive developments, the stories are out there but I guess doom and gloom sells better. In general I only expect the media to present what they want reported and the way they want it reported. The numbers don't lie so just report them and move on!

I've been watching this site for over a week now.  I live in Oakland County, MI.  They have never reported ANY  recovered cases.
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

Active cases and deaths are the only thing that changes, Recovered has ALWAYS BEEN ZERO!

I find that hard to accept, and a good example of the "Reporters" only presenting worst case senerios.

BTW, it is not just Oakland county, it is all the counties, all ZERO recoveries.  WE'RE DOOMED!  WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE (eventually).

Friendsville, TN - Troy, MI

Valkorado

Quote from: _Sheffjs_ on Mon 06, Apr 2020, 13:58:13
Quote from: meathead on Mon 06, Apr 2020, 13:50:14
It seems odd to me the amount of you who are pissed at the media for reporting what the health experts are projecting.  :o Do you feel the media is untruthful about it ? Do you feel the experts are being untruthful ?


As long as it is not puffed up news information, however I have noticed a lot of hysteria sent in PMs and on YouTube showing non-mainstream garbage, the latest, it is not a virus but the 5g. Problem is no mater who is puffing this up, feeds on many that bite.    

:2funny:  Woody Harrelson cannot be wrong!   :uglystupid2:

The theory that faster 5G internet is either causing or accelerating the spread of the coronavirus is being shared widely on social media despite there being no evidence to support it.

https://fox5sandiego.com/entertainment/woody-harrelson-among-those-sharing-coronavirus-conspiracy-theories-linked-to-5g/
Have you ever noticed when you're feeling really good,
there's always a pigeon that'll come sh!t on your hood?
- John Prine

97 Tourer "Silver Bullet"
01 Interstate "Ruby"


scooperhsd

Quote from: Valkorado on Mon 06, Apr 2020, 14:17:31
Quote from: _Sheffjs_ on Mon 06, Apr 2020, 13:58:13
Quote from: meathead on Mon 06, Apr 2020, 13:50:14
It seems odd to me the amount of you who are pissed at the media for reporting what the health experts are projecting.  :o Do you feel the media is untruthful about it ? Do you feel the experts are being untruthful ?


As long as it is not puffed up news information, however I have noticed a lot of hysteria sent in PMs and on YouTube showing non-mainstream garbage, the latest, it is not a virus but the 5g. Problem is no mater who is puffing this up, feeds on many that bite.   

:2funny:  Woody Harrelson cannot be wrong!   :uglystupid2:

The theory that faster 5G internet is either causing or accelerating the spread of the coronavirus is being shared widely on social media despite there being no evidence to support it.

https://fox5sandiego.com/entertainment/woody-harrelson-among-those-sharing-coronavirus-conspiracy-theories-linked-to-5g/

ANytime I see BS like that I just don't even bother with it.

shadowsoftime

Going for a ride, be back in a few days.

The emperor has no clothes

Quote from: Skinhead on Mon 06, Apr 2020, 14:15:28
Quote from: f6john on Mon 06, Apr 2020, 14:02:45
Quote from: meathead on Mon 06, Apr 2020, 13:50:14
It seems odd to me the amount of you who are pissed at the media for reporting what the health experts are projecting.  :o Do you feel the media is untruthful about it ? Do you feel the experts are being untruthful ?

How many ways can you say, it's bad? Everyone knows that by now. How about the media concentrating on positive developments, the stories are out there but I guess doom and gloom sells better. In general I only expect the media to present what they want reported and the way they want it reported. The numbers don't lie so just report them and move on!

I've been watching this site for over a week now.  I live in Oakland County, MI.  They have never reported ANY  recovered cases.
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

Active cases and deaths are the only thing that changes, Recovered has ALWAYS BEEN ZERO!

I find that hard to accept, and a good example of the "Reporters" only presenting worst case senerios.

BTW, it is not just Oakland county, it is all the counties, all ZERO recoveries.  WE'RE DOOMED!  WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE (eventually).
Skin, on the right column scroll down. It shows U.S. recovered as 18,999.

Skinhead

Quote from: meathead on Mon 06, Apr 2020, 15:16:57

Skin, on the right column scroll down. It shows U.S. recovered as 18,999.


Thanks, but why not include it in the County statistics?  They all just show ZERO.

Friendsville, TN - Troy, MI

Willow

Quote from: Skinhead on Mon 06, Apr 2020, 15:23:55
Quote from: meathead on Mon 06, Apr 2020, 15:16:57

Skin, on the right column scroll down. It shows U.S. recovered as 18,999.


Thanks, but why not include it in the County statistics?  They all just show ZERO.

My guess is that after persons are released from the hospital they are sent home to complete recovery.  I wouldn't be surprised if there's often no real follow up so that the doc can know of and report complete recovery.

Valkorado

#22
Quote from: meathead on Mon 06, Apr 2020, 14:08:55
Quote from: DarkSideR on Mon 06, Apr 2020, 13:57:06
Quote from: meathead on Mon 06, Apr 2020, 13:50:14
It seems odd to me the amount of you who are pissed at the media for reporting what the health experts are projecting.  :o Do you feel the media is untruthful about it ? Do you feel the experts are being untruthful ?

That isn't what is going on.

The health experts have used different scenarios to put out different projections. The media used the worse case scenario, which was wrong. I have since watched quite a few health experts pointing this out.
Maybe it's what you watch and read. The projections I've seen, from what I can determine are reputable experts, are that :
If we did nothing, up to 2 million could die. With mitigation (social distancing) we could bring it down to 100k. Now, these are nothing more than projections ( educated guesses) but I see no reason for Fauci, Birx, and others to be fudging the numbers. And I certainly see no reason for the media not to report it.

They didn't have internet, TeleVee and texting at their disposal during the Spanish Flu.  It snuck up and they kinda just let 'er run, until it was too late.   Granted it was a different animal and era, vastly improved medical technology and knowledge, etc. nowadays but that technique didn't turn out so well.  Quarantine and social distancing are  ancient methods of fighting plague, but they work!  Sans vaccine, they're really our best bet.  That and washing your damn hands!

Do I like the lockdown?  Nope.  Do I believe it is well advised and in the best interest of our country?  In the short term, absolutely.  If it stretches much beyond another couple weeks, absolutely not.
Have you ever noticed when you're feeling really good,
there's always a pigeon that'll come sh!t on your hood?
- John Prine

97 Tourer "Silver Bullet"
01 Interstate "Ruby"


9Ball



Just be careful because people are going crazy from being in lock down! 

Actually I've just been talking about this with the microwave and toaster while drinking coffee and we all agreed that things are getting bad. 

I didn't mention anything to the washing machine as she puts a different spin on everything.  Certainly not to the fridge as she is acting cold and distant.  In the end, the iron straightened me out as she said everything will be fine, no situation is too pressing. 

The vacuum was very unsympathetic... told me to just suck it up, but the fan was more optimistic and hoped it would all soon blow over!  The toilet looked a bit flushed when I asked its opinion and didn't say anything but the door knob told me to get a grip. 

The front door said I was unhinged and so the curtains told me to....... Yes, you guessed it......pull myself together.
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Quote from: 9Ball on Mon 06, Apr 2020, 16:14:42


Just be careful because people are going crazy from being in lock down!  

Actually I've just been talking about this with the microwave and toaster while drinking coffee and we all agreed that things are getting bad.

I didn't mention anything to the washing machine as she puts a different spin on everything.  Certainly not to the fridge as she is acting cold and distant.  In the end, the iron straightened me out as she said everything will be fine, no situation is too pressing.  

The vacuum was very unsympathetic... told me to just suck it up, but the fan was more optimistic and hoped it would all soon blow over!  The toilet looked a bit flushed when I asked its opinion and didn't say anything but the door knob told me to get a grip.  

The front door said I was unhinged and so the curtains told me to....... Yes, you guessed it......pull myself together.


:cooldude: :cooldude: ;D


A great chart


Healthcare
Visualizing the History of Pandemics

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/history-of-pandemics-deadliest/

"Some people see things that are and ask, Why? Some people dream of things that never were and ask, Why not? Some people have to go to work and don't have time for all that."

Valkorado

Quote from: Skinhead on Mon 06, Apr 2020, 15:23:55
Quote from: meathead on Mon 06, Apr 2020, 15:16:57

Skin, on the right column scroll down. It shows U.S. recovered as 18,999.


Thanks, but why not include it in the County statistics?  They all just show ZERO.

Here's what determines who has recovered from coronavirus — and it includes two more tests

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/heres-what-determines-who-has-recovered-from-coronavirus-and-it-includes-two-more-tests-2020-04-07
Have you ever noticed when you're feeling really good,
there's always a pigeon that'll come sh!t on your hood?
- John Prine

97 Tourer "Silver Bullet"
01 Interstate "Ruby"