Would it be a motorcycle or a car in the US?

[Reb]

I've been following the Solo ElectraMeccanica (Canadian Based)  company for a few months. Always thought this would be something great for the inner city folks.

Remember the Elio car that never came?  

Looks as if they have started production of the solo, with sales hitting the US in 2021



https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=54&v=-ic0C5vxjzQ&feature=emb_title

https://electrameccanica.com/

They also have a slick classic looking E-Roadster.



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[Valkorado]

The Roadster looks like a hoot, reminds me of the old VW Karmann Ghia.   

[MarkT]

This kind of law is state jurisdiction.  Vehicle specs like required colors of taillights for example, also are state (I believe) but manufacturers tend to follow the restrictive laws of Kommiefornia since they have a huge body of users.  Here in Colorado I believe - without looking up the statutes - it's based on wheel count.  So even a Slingshot is a motorcycle for licensing purposes.  I know for some states, a vehicle like that pictured is a car.  You'd have to look up the statutes.  Or maybe Google it.  Duckduckgo for me.

The powder blue car is a ripoff of a Porsche 356, the first model, 1948-1965. The original, a collector model today, valuable.

[Jess from VA]

I'd take this back and ask for the other half of my car.

Or call the cops and report the other half stolen.  



I bet the other half is even funnier looking (driving from the trunk). 

[Rams]

No doubt there will be some City Folks who could make use of such a "Vehicle".
In my case, the only reason I'd bring something like that home is if I already had it sold.  At a profit, not interested in anything that will lose money.

Rams

[scooperhsd]

I'd take this back and ask for the other half of my car.

Or call the cops and report the other half stolen. 



I bet the other half is even funnier looking (driving from the trunk). 

That was my first thought as well.

The Sport one looked interesting - until I saw the price was $125,000 !! (Even if it was canadian- still too much!!!)

[Beardo]

I'd take this back and ask for the other half of my car.

Or call the cops and report the other half stolen. 



I bet the other half is even funnier looking (driving from the trunk). 

That was my first thought as well.

The Sport one looked interesting - until I saw the price was $125,000 !! (Even if it was canadian- still too much!!!)

Sounds like the Bollinger electric truck...brilliant engineering, utilitarian, no bells and whistles, not even power windows or airbags....then they announce the price...$125,000. 

[cookiedough]

for 125K I would expect the other half of it..

So,  in most states am curious are 3 wheels like can am spyder and polaris slingshot considered a motorcycle needing a cycle endorsement or are most states considering them cars?

[Serk]

So,  in most states am curious are 3 wheels like can am spyder and polaris slingshot considered a motorcycle needing a cycle endorsement or are most states considering them cars?

https://slingshot.polaris.com/en-us/license-requirements/

[Reb]

for 125K I would expect the other half of it..

So,  in most states am curious are 3 wheels like can am spyder and polaris slingshot considered a motorcycle needing a cycle endorsement or are most states considering them cars?

The three wheeler is estimated at 15-20k, the roadster is the high roller.

[..]

How long is the cable on the E Roadster???

Up to a 100 mile range.

No emissions apart from the electricity needed to power it.

I wonder if the pre orders will lose their money as the Elio and others did.

Looks the same as the Elio and Sparrow.

https://www.reddit.com/r/eliomotors/comments/782k07/at_what_point_does_the_elio_motors_fiasco_become/

https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/tag/elio-motors/

https://www.hotbikeweb.com/corbin-sparrow-update

[Serk]

How long is the cable on the E Roadster???

155 miles.

But that 644 ft. pounds of torque at the rear wheels..... Whew!

https://electrameccanica.com/eroadster/

[Reb]

How long is the cable on the E Roadster???

Up to a 100 mile range.

No emissions apart from the electricity needed to power it.

I wonder if the pre orders will lose their money as the Elio and others did.

Looks the same as the Elio and Sparrow.

https://www.reddit.com/r/eliomotors/comments/782k07/at_what_point_does_the_elio_motors_fiasco_become/

https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/tag/elio-motors/

https://www.hotbikeweb.com/corbin-sparrow-update

Unlike the Elio, Electromechanicca has a factory and is currently producing vehicles.

That is the biggest ticker with these new EV startups. Everyone poops out awesome prototypes with limited leadership in consumer manufacturing. If you haven't paid attention to EV stocks other than Tesla, the time is now.

EV and hydrogen truck company Nikola just signed a deal with GM for assistance in manufacturing their Badger EV pickup. Their stock price went up 40% today

Another company Workhorse Group is currently in the bidding on a 6 billion dollar government contract to supply the next fleet of USPS Vehicles, their stock was $1.90 in March and closed at $21 today. They recently signed a deal with Hitachi to assist in processing a dealer network, and installation of charging areas at post offices.

Lordstown Motors just launched their new pickup truck the Endurance and have been re-working the former GM plant in Lordstown Ohio to go to production.

Ford and GM both are jumping on what were penny stock companies to get into the EV market and start chipping away at Tesla's market share.

[f6gal]

In Arizona it's a motorcycle.  Some other states, not so much.

[vanagon40]

In Indiana it is an Autocycle. Registered as a motorcycle but a driver's license motorcycle endorsement is not required to operate the vehicle. Here is an interesting bit of trivia posted by the Indiana Bureau of Motor Vehicles regarding the autocycle:

"Motorcyclists and motor driven cyclists are permitted to proceed, with caution, through an intersection with a red signal after 120 seconds, however, an autocyclist is not permitted to proceed through the intersection."

I guess the official position of the Indiana BMV is if you are stuck at an intersection where the light fails to function, you must wait for a police officer to direct traffic or a utility crew to repair the light.

[98valk]

How long is the cable on the E Roadster???

Up to a 100 mile range.

No emissions apart from the electricity needed to power it.

I wonder if the pre orders will lose their money as the Elio and others did.

Looks the same as the Elio and Sparrow.

https://www.reddit.com/r/eliomotors/comments/782k07/at_what_point_does_the_elio_motors_fiasco_become/

https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/tag/elio-motors/

https://www.hotbikeweb.com/corbin-sparrow-update

Unlike the Elio, Electromechanicca has a factory and is currently producing vehicles.

That is the biggest ticker with these new EV startups. Everyone poops out awesome prototypes with limited leadership in consumer manufacturing. If you haven't paid attention to EV stocks other than Tesla, the time is now.

EV and hydrogen truck company Nikola just signed a deal with GM for assistance in manufacturing their Badger EV pickup. Their stock price went up 40% today

Another company Workhorse Group is currently in the bidding on a 6 billion dollar government contract to supply the next fleet of USPS Vehicles, their stock was $1.90 in March and closed at $21 today. They recently signed a deal with Hitachi to assist in processing a dealer network, and installation of charging areas at post offices.

Lordstown Motors just launched their new pickup truck the Endurance and have been re-working the former GM plant in Lordstown Ohio to go to production.

Ford and GM both are jumping on what were penny stock companies to get into the EV market and start chipping away at Tesla's market share.

what a joke and a failure.

    Duke Energy to convert all of its light-duty vehicles to EVs by 2030

    Duke Energy Corp. said Wednesday that it pledges to convert most of its 10,000-vehicle fleet to electric vehicles (EVs), or another zero-carbon alternative, by 2030. That includes converting all of its light-duty vehicles to electric and half of its combined fleet of medium-duty, heavy-duty and off-road vehicles to EVs, plug-in hybrids and other zero-carbon alternatives. By 2030, the electric utility said it will cut petroleum usage by 10 million gallons a year, and reduce CO2 emissions by 60,000 metric tons. In addition to reduced emissions, Duke said the benefits of EVs include less noise and fewer expenses. Duke's stock, which rallied 3.5% in afternoon trading, has lost 8.4% year to date, while the SPDR Utilities Select Sector ETF has declined 6.6% and the S&P 500 has gained 5.7%.

    https://finance.yahoo.com/m/c88eebe7...html?.tsrc=rss


They are not zero carbon in the transportation chain. lets talk about the child abuse miners digging for cobalt, lithium and other minerals and metals needed to make those batteries.  how about the hazmat disposal of the expended lith batteries? how do people feel about having a car payment for life since the battery cars will only last 5-10yrs and new batteries if available will cost more than just buying a new ev car let alone having to pay the hazmat cost to depose of the old batteries.  and when there are power outages no way to charge your car/truck.  wake up America.

[Reb]

How long is the cable on the E Roadster???

Up to a 100 mile range.

No emissions apart from the electricity needed to power it.

I wonder if the pre orders will lose their money as the Elio and others did.

Looks the same as the Elio and Sparrow.

https://www.reddit.com/r/eliomotors/comments/782k07/at_what_point_does_the_elio_motors_fiasco_become/

https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/tag/elio-motors/

https://www.hotbikeweb.com/corbin-sparrow-update

Unlike the Elio, Electromechanicca has a factory and is currently producing vehicles.

That is the biggest ticker with these new EV startups. Everyone poops out awesome prototypes with limited leadership in consumer manufacturing. If you haven't paid attention to EV stocks other than Tesla, the time is now.

EV and hydrogen truck company Nikola just signed a deal with GM for assistance in manufacturing their Badger EV pickup. Their stock price went up 40% today

Another company Workhorse Group is currently in the bidding on a 6 billion dollar government contract to supply the next fleet of USPS Vehicles, their stock was $1.90 in March and closed at $21 today. They recently signed a deal with Hitachi to assist in processing a dealer network, and installation of charging areas at post offices.

Lordstown Motors just launched their new pickup truck the Endurance and have been re-working the former GM plant in Lordstown Ohio to go to production.

Ford and GM both are jumping on what were penny stock companies to get into the EV market and start chipping away at Tesla's market share.

what a joke and a failure.

    Duke Energy to convert all of its light-duty vehicles to EVs by 2030

    Duke Energy Corp. said Wednesday that it pledges to convert most of its 10,000-vehicle fleet to electric vehicles (EVs), or another zero-carbon alternative, by 2030. That includes converting all of its light-duty vehicles to electric and half of its combined fleet of medium-duty, heavy-duty and off-road vehicles to EVs, plug-in hybrids and other zero-carbon alternatives. By 2030, the electric utility said it will cut petroleum usage by 10 million gallons a year, and reduce CO2 emissions by 60,000 metric tons. In addition to reduced emissions, Duke said the benefits of EVs include less noise and fewer expenses. Duke's stock, which rallied 3.5% in afternoon trading, has lost 8.4% year to date, while the SPDR Utilities Select Sector ETF has declined 6.6% and the S&P 500 has gained 5.7%.

    https://finance.yahoo.com/m/c88eebe7...html?.tsrc=rss


They are not zero carbon in the transportation chain. lets talk about the child abuse miners digging for cobalt, lithium and other minerals and metals needed to make those batteries.  how about the hazmat disposal of the expended lith batteries? how do people feel about having a car payment for life since the battery cars will only last 5-10yrs and new batteries if available will cost more than just buying a new ev car let alone having to pay the hazmat cost to depose of the old batteries.  and when there are power outages no way to charge your car/truck.  wake up America.

[Jess from VA]

In Indiana it is an Autocycle. Registered as a motorcycle but a driver's license motorcycle endorsement is not required to operate the vehicle. Here is an interesting bit of trivia posted by the Indiana Bureau of Motor Vehicles regarding the autocycle:

"Motorcyclists and motor driven cyclists are permitted to proceed, with caution, through an intersection with a red signal after 120 seconds, however, an autocyclist is not permitted to proceed through the intersection."

I guess the official position of the Indiana BMV is if you are stuck at an intersection where the light fails to function, you must wait for a police officer to direct traffic or a utility crew to repair the light.

VA lets anyone go, with due care and yielding, after waiting an entire cycle or two (can't remember).

There is one T intersection over behind my house that has not worked for crap for several years.  I've run the red there (a LEFT turn) a dozen times, after waiting.  

The other part of the statute that's missing is....  And, it's a real good idea if in addition to yielding and due care, to ensure there is no policeman present and watching.

[scooperhsd]

North Carolina had passed a law , while I was still there, that a motorcyclist could go through a red light, after meeting several common sense conditions.
Safe to go.
Motorcyclist must be starting from a stop - otherwise it would be running a red light
Time elapsed should be for at least 1 cycle.

[MarkT]

Germaine to the discussion - the Slingshot site Serk linked states

"Slingshot® is a three-wheeled motorcycle. It is not an automobile. It does not have airbags and it does not meet automotive safety standards. Three wheel vehicles may handle differently than other vehicles, especially in wet conditions. Always wear a DOT-approved full-face helmet and fasten seatbelts. The Driver may need a valid motorcycle endorsement. Don't drink and drive."

However per the Slingshot site map Colorado regards it a car for driver's licensing purposes.  I think it USED TO BE a motorcycle here.  But I could be FOS.

[rainman]

haven't seen any recharging station around. so that means you would have to pull a gentor around with you
I will just stay with the old school of getting around

[Serk]

haven't seen any recharging station around. so that means you would have to pull a gentor around with you
I will just stay with the old school of getting around

If it's compatiable with Tesla Supercharger Stations, you can get from coast to coast pretty easily these days..... (Not with the 150 mile range one, but with a longer range EV)

[scooperhsd]

haven't seen any recharging station around. so that means you would have to pull a gentor around with you
I will just stay with the old school of getting around

If it's compatiable with Tesla Supercharger Stations, you can get from coast to coast pretty easily these days..... (Not with the 150 mile range one, but with a longer range EV)

Only if you stay on major Interstates. Imagine driving your petroleum powered vehicle the same way. Sure, you could drive in the sticks "to see the country", but having to return to the interstates to fill up would be a major PITA.

[Chrisj CMA]

Many of the in between vehicles like the slingshot started out at least as motorcycles because there's a ton of crap you have to go through if it's a car that you by-bass if it's a "motorcycle "

If they want to market this as a car they have to do crash tests and prove they live up to safety standards, emission standards and mpg standards etc. And pay of course tons of cash to make it happen.