737-800 Crash, China

[Rams]

https://twitter.com/newsmax/status/1505874906118070274?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1505874906118070274%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.godlikeproductions.com%2Fforum1%2Fmessage5087879%2Fpg1

Vertical descent, straight down.   OMG, at least it was over in an instant.

Rams

[carolinarider09]

Saw that earlier this morning.  Its hard to believe a mechanical or electrical error caused that straight down descent. 

My first thought was about the passengers and what might have gone through their minds.   As dangerous as riding my motorcycle is compared to the events on commercial aircraft, I still would rather take the bike. 

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https://irshadgul.com/history-of-boeing-737-800-and-fatal-accidents-ig-news/


https://interestingengineering.com/boeing-737-crash-since-2000

[RP#62]

A hard over rudder will cause that.  Looks similar to the US Air flight 427 crash in Pittsburgh in the mid 90's except the US Air flight was at too low of an altitude to recover.  The speculation in that case was an internal failure of one of the rudder actuators caused the rudder to go to max deflection opposite of the direction commanded.

-RP

[old2soon]

           I have some cat shots and some arrested landings on an aircraft carrier. Before we deployed I rode along on some rocket and bomb runs-Grumman S 2 D. Do not recall the dive angle but it seemed steep. I can NOT even visualize a vertical dive to oblivion. Mechanical sounds plausible BUT we must not rule out intentional. I PRAY for all those folks.  RIDE SAFE.

[Patrick]

I'm wondering about the difference between the Max and 800 series. I couldn't find too much that would relate to the accidents.

Kinda makes one think twice or 12 times about going for a ride in one.

[Moonshot_1]

I'm wondering about the difference between the Max and 800 series. I couldn't find too much that would relate to the accidents.

Kinda makes one think twice or 12 times about going for a ride in one.

The 800 is an older series aircraft. The Max is a newer, more fuel efficient, different engines and engine placement (which led to the Max's problems.)

The 800 series is probably the safest aircraft in the sky today.

Given the current reports on the crash, I'm leaning to a pilot suicide or some kind of hostile act on board.
That the plane seemed to be at cruising altitude flying happily along and then a sudden plunge would initially seem to be an intentional act. This would not be a result of what was happening to the Max. The problem with the Max was a software problem. The software would make adjustments to the aircraft. This was not a feature on the 800s. Just the Max. 

But it is early yet. Maybe they will be able to find the flight recorder and data and get more answers.

[Rams]

But it is early yet. Maybe they will be able to find the flight recorder and data and get more answers.

Based on the video of a vertical descent, the descent speed and impact area/crash site shown, I'll be surprised if that flight recorder can provide much information.   I know those boxes are built to withstand huge forces but, this impact was incredibly hard.   This assumes it's not 30 feet down entombed with all the wreckage and bodies.   I've personally seen aircraft accidents where the crash area covered hundreds of yards of debris and damage but, none were crashes that were vertical in nature.

Rams

[Jersey mike]

https://twitter.com/newsmax/status/1505874906118070274?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1505874906118070274%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.godlikeproductions.com%2Fforum1%2Fmessage5087879%2Fpg1

Vertical descent, straight down.   OMG, at least it was over in an instant.

Rams

I heard there was a plane crash but didn't look into it. If I heard the news right it was pretty soon after takeoff they probably didn't even take off their belts yet. All those people. WOW. The pilots being like WTF we can't recover. What a horrible situation.

[carolinarider09]

An update I saw this morning.

The South China Morning Post, which is owned by the Chinese Alibaba Group, reported that the flight data "depicted a battle for control of China Eastern Airlines flight" as there appears to have been a temporary recovery in altitude followed by a second nosedive that took the plane straight into the ground.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/new-details-emerge-about-boeing-737-that-nosedived-into-ground-a-battle-for-control-of-the-plane

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https://news.cgtn.com/news/2022-03-23/Exclusive-Black-box-of-crashed-flight-MU5735-retrieved-18DDboNPJeM/index.html

[Serk]

Definitely not an area I'm remotely an expert, but my initial thinking says suicidal person at the controls of the plane...

Looks like someone put the plane in a dive, a struggle and control was re-gained, then the one wanting to end it regained control....

[John Schmidt]

Think you're right Serk, planes seldom dive straight down like that...if ever. Loss of power, loss of control, mechanical issue, etc., it still comes down at an angle.

[luftkoph]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4-Dj63KGCQ&list=PL6SYmp3qb3uOYtQxrQuoryOYzya9v9-88

Juan Browne, he gives very concise thought on aviation matters.

[RP#62]

Its sounding more and more like the Egypt Air flt 990 crash.

-RP

[Jersey mike]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4-Dj63KGCQ&list=PL6SYmp3qb3uOYtQxrQuoryOYzya9v9-88

Juan Browne, he gives very concise thought on aviation matters.

Did I understand him correctly that the photo and video(?) of the plane was not the actual plane?

[old2soon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4-Dj63KGCQ&list=PL6SYmp3qb3uOYtQxrQuoryOYzya9v9-88

Juan Browne, he gives very concise thought on aviation matters.

Did I understand him correctly that the photo and video(?) of the plane was not the actual plane?

         THAT'S zackly what I got! RIDE SAFE.

[Serk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4-Dj63KGCQ&list=PL6SYmp3qb3uOYtQxrQuoryOYzya9v9-88

Juan Browne, he gives very concise thought on aviation matters.

Did I understand him correctly that the photo and video(?) of the plane was not the actual plane?

         THAT'S zackly what I got! RIDE SAFE.

I'd hafta re-watch the video to make sure, but I thought he was referring to a picture of a intact plane on a runway now being the actual plane.

The CCTV footage of the plane in a nose dive is the actual incident at hand, from all reports I've read.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpIYBtEi6iE