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98 Valkrie Cheap carb rebuild kits

Started by ckahler, Sat 15, Oct 2022, 20:11:32

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ckahler

https://www.ebay.com/itm/294939915318
6 bowl gaskets cost around $100. So at $26. for 6 entire rebuild kit, this seems like a steal.
4 of my carburetors are leaking around the bowl gaskets. The plan is to throw out most the other stuff and just use the gaskets. Has anyone tried the gaskets from these kits?
98 Valkyrie
85 V65 Magna
85 VT500c Shadow
81 KZ305

John Schmidt

Made in China, that's all I need to know to pass on them. Rebuild kits are too critical to take a chance on quality.

The emperor has no clothes

Quote from: ckahler on Sat 15, Oct 2022, 20:11:32
https://www.ebay.com/itm/294939915318
6 bowl gaskets cost around $100. So at $26. for 6 entire rebuild kit, this seems like a steal.
4 of my carburetors are leaking around the bowl gaskets. The plan is to throw out most the other stuff and just use the gaskets. Has anyone tried the gaskets from these kits?
Are you sure it's the float bowls that are leaking ? It's much more common for the leaking to be from the fuel rail o-rings.

hubcapsc

Quote from: John Schmidt on Sat 15, Oct 2022, 22:14:39
Made in China, that's all I need to know to pass on them. Rebuild kits are too critical to take a chance on quality.

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John Schmidt

Quote from: hubcapsc on Sun 16, Oct 2022, 05:31:15
Quote from: John Schmidt on Sat 15, Oct 2022, 22:14:39
Made in China, that's all I need to know to pass on them. Rebuild kits are too critical to take a chance on quality.

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Bagger John - #3785

Is Redeye still doing carb kits?

I need to rebuild a spare 49-state set I have and swap the CA parts on my Tourer for them.

Timbo1

#6
I tried some Ebay rebuild kits a couple years ago and were just a big waste of time.  Nothing was right, there was like 1 o-ring that I could have used.  Don't waste your time & money get an All Balls rebuild kit or many recommend Redeye if you can get in touch with them.

ETA:
The All Balls kits have worked well for me and a complete rebuild kit including fuel rail o-rings can be had for about $110. 


https://www.amazon.com/All-Balls-Carburetor-1997-2000-1998-2000/dp/B07DFPFV54/ref=sr_1_3?crid=3ICBPJISF5RGB&keywords=all+balls+rebuild+kit+valkyrie&qid=1665940892&sprefix=all+balls+rebuild+kit+valkyrie%2Caps%2C94&sr=8-3&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.f5122f16-c3e8-4386-bf32-63e904010ad0

Savage

I have contemplated doing the same a number of times "just to see."

I have refrained from doing so because taking the carburetors out, disassembling, cleaning, rebuilding, reassembling, then reinstalling is already enough of a pain in the butt.  I don't need to do it twice just to confirm that I wasted $20 to save $90 and should have bought the already-proven All Balls or Redeye components.

Columbia, South Carolina

Bagger John - #3785

I know many here diss All Balls fork seal kits - but are their carb components GTG?

h13man

Quote from: Bagger John - #3785 on Mon 17, Oct 2022, 15:55:41
I know many here diss All Balls fork seal kits - but are their carb components GTG?

Their wheel bearings are pretty low rent from my experience on the 1600 Vulcan I owned 3 yrs. ago but....

ckahler

I tested for leaks again, and the fuel rail o-rings are leaking. Maybe fuel running down from there is making it look as though the bowl gaskets are leaking. I hate buying complete rebuild kits, when all I need is a few o-rings. I usualy get my o-rings from the oring store, but I'm having trouble finding somewhere that lists the size. Any one know the size of those o-rings?
98 Valkyrie
85 V65 Magna
85 VT500c Shadow
81 KZ305

Timbo1

Quote from: ckahler on Tue 18, Oct 2022, 11:58:37
I tested for leaks again, and the fuel rail o-rings are leaking. Maybe fuel running down from there is making it look as though the bowl gaskets are leaking. I hate buying complete rebuild kits, when all I need is a few o-rings. I usualy get my o-rings from the oring store, but I'm having trouble finding somewhere that lists the size. Any one know the size of those o-rings?


You might send rug_burn a pm, seems he posted new sizes at one but I cant seem to find that post. 

But here's the sizes I've used and so far so good after a couple years.
https://www.valkyrieforum.com/bbs/index.php/topic,114745.msg1159076.html#msg1159076

Jims99

#12
Quote from: ckahler on Tue 18, Oct 2022, 11:58:37
I tested for leaks again, and the fuel rail o-rings are leaking. Maybe fuel running down from there is making it look as though the bowl gaskets are leaking. I hate buying complete rebuild kits, when all I need is a few o-rings. I usualy get my o-rings from the oring store, but I'm having trouble finding somewhere that lists the size. Any one know the size of those o-rings?
These are the ones I ordered from the O-rings and more, they were listed as the upgrade to oem.
FKM o-ring 6x 1.5mm  and  FKM o-ring 7.8x 1.9mm jis p8
Ones the fuel rail the others the vent rails.
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99 tourer
00 interstate
97 standard
91 wing
78 trail 70

rug_burn

#13
Yes- those are the sizes and material, FKM being  the same thing as Viton, and they're usually called out as V1.9 x 7.8 etc; they go in pretty tight, but that's a good thing.

  Also, V1.0 x 3.0 for the mixture screw.

I got mine from The O-Ring Store-  get 'em all at the same time- o-rings are cheap, but shipping's expensive...
...insert hip saying here..

98valk

Quote from: ckahler on Tue 18, Oct 2022, 11:58:37
I tested for leaks again, and the fuel rail o-rings are leaking. Maybe fuel running down from there is making it look as though the bowl gaskets are leaking. I hate buying complete rebuild kits, when all I need is a few o-rings. I usualy get my o-rings from the oring store, but I'm having trouble finding somewhere that lists the size. Any one know the size of those o-rings?

tighten the end nuts of the carburetor thru bolts. usually 1/16" turn is all that is needed. they do come loose over the miles. I've had to tighten the left side once in 75k miles.
1998 Std/Tourer, 2007 DR200SE, 1981 CB900C  10speed
1973 Duster 340 4-speed rare A/C, 2001 F250 4x4 7.3L, 6sp

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Racernick

#15
We bought several 30 dollars kits from ebay but after what we have went thur i dont recommend them because 80% of the kit is useless. i recommend just buying gasket kits and using a sonic cleaner and cleaning everything and re use all the old jets and needles inside the slides, if you want to buy a kit i hear all balls kit is the way to go but i was told to use a better float needle which i just purchased on amazon for 35 buck it's the k & L ‎18-8955 float needles

all we used from ebay kit is gaskets for bowl and air box side, use the fuel air mixture screw, one bike we used the float needles and currently doing good but then i learned of the better ones, and we used the o rings for slide where the needle is held in other then that all the rest is unused

i just replaced all the O rings in the vapor rail and fuel rails also on the air cut valves these was all the o rings i purchased. i can't Rember if i used the 4.5 or the 4 x 1.5 on the air cut valves just ordered both to be safe since they was so cheap


FKM O-ring 6 x 1.5mm  Minimum 10 pcs   $0.090 VAPOR RAILS
32 × FKM O-ring 6 x 1.5mm Minimum 10 pcs

FKM O-ring 4 x 1.5mm Minimum 10 pcs   $0.080
24 × FKM O-ring 4 x 1.5mm Minimum 10 pcs

FKM O-ring 3 x 1mm Minimum 25 pcs   $0.100
48 × FKM O-ring 3 x 1mm Minimum 25 pcs

FKM O-ring 7.8 x 1.9mm JIS P8 Minimum 10 pcs   $0.170   FUEL RAIL
32 × FKM O-ring 7.8 x 1.9mm JIS P8 Minimum 10 pcs

FKM O-ring 4.5 x 1.5mm  JIS S5  Minimum 10 pcs   $0.080
24 × FKM O-ring 4.5 x 1.5mm JIS S5 Minimum 10 pcs

Subtotal:
$16.960
Shipping:
$6.500
Grand Total:
$23.460

https://www.oringsandmore.com/fkm-o-ring-7-8-x-1-9mm-jis-p8-minimum-10-pcs/

https://www.oringsandmore.com/fkm-o-ring-6-x-1-5mm-minimum-10-pcs/

https://www.oringsandmore.com/fkm-o-ring-3-x-1mm-minimum-25-pcs/

ckahler

Thanks for the o-ring list.
Since the only reason I will be pulling the carbs is to fix fuel leaks. I will skip the rebuild kits and just order o-rings. I will also dissasemble and clean the carbs, but expect to be able to reuse the origional parts.
98 Valkyrie
85 V65 Magna
85 VT500c Shadow
81 KZ305

Pluggy

Quote from: Racernick on Sun 27, Nov 2022, 21:06:05
We bought several 30 dollars kits from ebay but after what we have went thur i dont recommend them because 80% of the kit is useless. i recommend just buying gasket kits and using a sonic cleaner and cleaning everything and re use all the old jets and needles inside the slides, if you want to buy a kit i hear all balls kit is the way to go but i was told to use a better float needle which i just purchased on amazon for 35 buck it's the k & L ‎18-8955 float needles

all we used from ebay kit is gaskets for bowl and air box side, use the fuel air mixture screw, one bike we used the float needles and currently doing good but then i learned of the better ones, and we used the o rings for slide where the needle is held in other then that all the rest is unused

i just replaced all the O rings in the vapor rail and fuel rails also on the air cut valves these was all the o rings i purchased. i can't Rember if i used the 4.5 or the 4 x 1.5 on the air cut valves just ordered both to be safe since they was so cheap


FKM O-ring 6 x 1.5mm  Minimum 10 pcs   $0.090 VAPOR RAILS
32 × FKM O-ring 6 x 1.5mm Minimum 10 pcs

FKM O-ring 4 x 1.5mm Minimum 10 pcs   $0.080
24 × FKM O-ring 4 x 1.5mm Minimum 10 pcs

FKM O-ring 3 x 1mm Minimum 25 pcs   $0.100
48 × FKM O-ring 3 x 1mm Minimum 25 pcs

FKM O-ring 7.8 x 1.9mm JIS P8 Minimum 10 pcs   $0.170   FUEL RAIL
32 × FKM O-ring 7.8 x 1.9mm JIS P8 Minimum 10 pcs

FKM O-ring 4.5 x 1.5mm  JIS S5  Minimum 10 pcs   $0.080
24 × FKM O-ring 4.5 x 1.5mm JIS S5 Minimum 10 pcs

Subtotal:
$16.960
Shipping:
$6.500
Grand Total:
$23.460

https://www.oringsandmore.com/fkm-o-ring-7-8-x-1-9mm-jis-p8-minimum-10-pcs/

https://www.oringsandmore.com/fkm-o-ring-6-x-1-5mm-minimum-10-pcs/

https://www.oringsandmore.com/fkm-o-ring-3-x-1mm-minimum-25-pcs/

Valuable information.  Can this be posted in Shop Talk?  O-rings and More provides quality items and the prices are quite reasonable.