And the hits keep coming

[crow]

U.S. House passed bill to make daylight savings time year round

[98valk]

u approve?

[ridingron]

I'd prefer they left time alone. Stay with Standard time.

[scooperhsd]

If I had a choice - I'd stick with year long DST - I like more daylight later in the day (right before I go to bed...).

[crow]

I prefer regular standard time for year round. The logic being, if you have had daylight all day, why do you need more light?  When you need light, is in the morning, after it has been dark all night.  Call your Senators. Daylight savings time all year is stood pid.   Oh, nevermind

[Hook#3287]

I watched a segment on Gutfeld where it was stated "who cares?" And, if we go with DST, all the sun dials will be wrong.

I don't use a sun dial, so I really don't care.

I don't understand how a change of one hour can interrupt someone's life.

Anyone have any insight?

[henry 008]

I still think, and have for years, that they should split the diff and leave it there. 

[Serk]

...and once again, congress will end up bickering between leaving us on DST or CST and instead leave us with the (lethal, it literally kills people) twice annual time changes. 

[Rams]

Don't really care which is picked, just do it and leave the damn clocks alone!

Rams

[Willow]

I'd prefer they left time alone. Stay with Standard time.

And by who and when was "Standard time" determined?

BTW all the silly discussion on Guttfeld about sun dials was incorrect.  The position of the sun at a particular time differs depending upon one's location (east to west) within the time zone.  Also, if a sundial was installed immovable then it is already wrong during half the year.

[Pluggy]

On January 6, 1974, the US went to year-round daylight savings time. This was a Nixon idea to save energy during the oil embargo. The move was immensely unpopular since children had to walk to school in the dark. The concept was soon abandoned as a failure.

As of 2026, the "extra hour" to make a 25 hour day has not been invented.

[Jersey mike]

I'm a fan of DLST however if I had to choose I'd go with EST. Changing the 7 clocks we have (2 pendulum, the microwave and oven digital, his/hers 2 bedroom digital and analog over the kitchen sink) a year doesn't matter to me, they're simple to change and I barely notice the change time difference in the following morning, my internal clock wakes me up, I haven't used an alarm clock in over 20 years. What's more depressing is 4:30pm or so darkness in the winter.

I like having daylight in the summer until about 8:30pm but I do like winter time for the kids to be at their bus stops with good lighting. So if it has to be changed make it EST year round.

[Rams]

Based on what I see at schools, very few kids actually walk except from the vehicle dropping them off and then into the school.    I don't wonder why this generation of parents are rearing soft and weak kids.   No doubt there are some good reasons for transporting a child to school but it's become more of a "my kid is special" kind of thing.

Rams

[ridingron]

I'd prefer they left time alone. Stay with Standard time.

And by who and when was "Standard time" determined?

BTW all the silly discussion on Guttfeld about sun dials was incorrect.  The position of the sun at a particular time differs depending upon one's location (east to west) within the time zone.  Also, if a sundial was installed immovable then it is already wrong during half the year.

I call it Standard time because that's what it been called my whole life. I don't know and pretty much don't care by whom or when it was named. Eastern Standard time vs. Eastern Daylight Saving time. Stay in "synch" with the rest of the world, time zone wise.

[Jersey mike]

Based on what I see at schools, very few kids actually walk except from the vehicle dropping them off and then into the school.    I don't wonder why this generation of parents are rearing soft and weak kids.   No doubt there are some good reasons for transporting a child to school but it's become more of a "my kid is special" kind of thing.

Rams

I was referring to kids walking to or standing at a bus stop. We live is a quiet neighborhood so morning traffic isn't so hectic or fast but many bus stops are not. Sure the ones out that early waiting for a bus are HS teens but many of those stops don't even have a street light overhead or even close.


In HS my kids were like the one of the first kids on the bus, I think pickup was about 6:15- 6:20am. Bus would arrive at the school about 6:45 and they had to be in first class by 6:55 bell. They'd be up about 5:45am just for breakfast, get dressed, make their beds and anything else before leaving. Depending on schedules, they'd have active after school activities...sports, a job, in school clubs as well as a couple hours of homework, dinner as a family as well a a shower. Bedtime usually rolled in about 11pm. Approximately 6 hours of sleep for still growing teens is not the best so being able to bring a little relief was fine with me.

I'd drop them off at 6:45 before the majority of the busses rolled in, they liked the few extra minutes and could meet with teachers, a coach or just have those few extra minutes to themselves.

Sorry but teenagers, 15,16,17 years old being up and ready to go, basically reporting "to work" (school was their job) before many adults are even out of bed to start their day is crazy. Heck I didn't have to be to work until 8am.

[LadyDraco]

It really dosen't make the days longer .It's just a facade.

[Jersey mike]

This is from DuckDuckGo ai assistance;

Question;

if we had daylight saving time all year what time would sunrise be on the east coast from november through march


Response;

If daylight saving time stayed on all year, then on the East Coast during November through February sunrise could be as late as about 8:30 a.m. (in one example for North Carolina)


Sunrise Times with Year-Round Daylight Saving Time
If daylight saving time were to be observed year-round on the East Coast, the sunrise times from November through March would be significantly later than they are currently.

Estimated Sunrise Times

Month         Estimated Sunrise Time

November   Around 7:00 a.m.
December   Around 7:30 a.m.
January           Around 8:00 a.m.
February   Around 7:30 a.m.
March           Around 7:00 a.m.



I'll assume daybreak would be about 30 minutes sooner.


Today in Palm Beach County, Fl sunrise was 6:38am

In my area sunrise was 5:42am

Big difference up and down the east coast.

[Valker]

Folks in the high northern hemisphere have always had dark when going to school and frequently dark when getting home.

[Pluggy]

This is from DuckDuckGo ai assistance;

Question;

if we had daylight saving time all year what time would sunrise be on the east coast from november through march


Response;

If daylight saving time stayed on all year, then on the East Coast during November through February sunrise could be as late as about 8:30 a.m. (in one example for North Carolina)


Sunrise Times with Year-Round Daylight Saving Time
If daylight saving time were to be observed year-round on the East Coast, the sunrise times from November through March would be significantly later than they are currently.

Estimated Sunrise Times

Month         Estimated Sunrise Time

November   Around 7:00 a.m.
December   Around 7:30 a.m.
January           Around 8:00 a.m.
February   Around 7:30 a.m.
March           Around 7:00 a.m.



I'll assume daybreak would be about 30 minutes sooner.


Today in Palm Beach County, Fl sunrise was 6:38am

In my area sunrise was 5:42am

Big difference up and down the east coast.

Think about East Tennessee in the Western part of the Eastern time zone. In January 1974, it was pitch dark at 8am.  The Sun rises later in Tennessee than North Carolina and the Sun has to rise above the mountains.  People turned on evening lights an hour later, but that evergy savings was negated by needing them on longer in the morning.   

The slogan "you get an extra hour of daylight" was BS.  We surrendered morning daylight to make evening daylight.  Nothing was, or is, free.

[Jersey mike]

Since some of you are older than me I really don't remember much before DLS came into existence.

My walk to the bus stop was always in the daylight, even through HS. Our start time in HS was about 8am or so for home room bell and it was about 40 min of time on the bus.

DLST is a big plus in our area, we have a huge marine community, from boat yards and marinas to public boat launches and folks love to come in late in the day with lots of natural light. It makes a hard days work a bit nicer when you can get off work around 5pm or so and still get 2-3 hours of time out on the water to cruise, swim, fish and relax. Even with our boating community it doesn't mean it's right for everyone even the guys who also ride bikes after work as well for almost the same reasons of getting out after getting home from work for a couple hours.

[Hook#3287]

I'd prefer they left time alone. Stay with Standard time.

And by who and when was "Standard time" determined?

BTW all the silly discussion on Guttfeld about sun dials was incorrect.  The position of the sun at a particular time differs depending upon one's location (east to west) within the time zone.  Also, if a sundial was installed immovable then it is already wrong during half the year.

Sorry, I forgot to add the 🙄 Which on the old site was easy to find.

There's sun time and clock time, clock time being man made.

Sun time does not change, but clock time needs to adjust every four years to stay in step with sun time.

A properly installed sun dial will be correct to sun time all year, no matter what the man made system does.

[Hook#3287]

...and once again, congress will end up bickering between leaving us on DST or CST and instead leave us with the (lethal, it literally kills people) twice annual time changes. 

Serk, I'm sure you have the research, but exactly how does changing the clock kill people?

[Serk]

...and once again, congress will end up bickering between leaving us on DST or CST and instead leave us with the (lethal, it literally kills people) twice annual time changes. 

Serk, I'm sure you have the research, but exactly how does changing the clock kill people?

Incidence of fatal car crashes increase in the weeks immediately after the time change as people are more tired and driving and/or just overall discombobulated.

Also incidence of heart attacks spike 10%-24% on the Monday and Tuesday after time change thought to be triggered by disruption of cicadian rhythms and stress hormones triggering inflamation.

(Note - the studies are somewhat controversial, some claims against them, but those folks are obviously bought off by Big Time.)

https://newsroom.heart.org/news/heres-your-wake-up-call-daylight-saving-time-may-impact-your-heart-health

https://www.denver7.com/news/local-news/colorado-state-patrol-study-finds-increase-in-traffic-fatalities-after-daylight-saving-clock-change

[Hook#3287]

Well, I was right, you had the research 

I wondered if it was the physical actions, like falling off the ladder when changing the clock, or the psychological reasons, or both, and your answer shows it's both, if you believe the studies.

And I want to admit I was wrong on the emoji access, I forgot or ignored, that they show when typing.

I still stand by my opinion of "who cares?"

Apparently, many do.

[Hook#3287]

Oh, I forgot to ask, who or what is "Big Time"?

[Serk]

Oh, I forgot to ask, who or what is "Big Time"?

Heh, I was more having fun with those who always go on and on about "Big Pharma" or "Big Tech" or "Big Oil" etc. being behind all the wrongs of the world...

[Hook#3287]

Oh, I forgot to ask, who or what is "Big Time"?

Heh, I was more having fun with those who always go on and on about "Big Pharma" or "Big Tech" or "Big Oil" etc. being behind all the wrongs of the world...

 

[Rams]

Based on what I see at schools, very few kids actually walk except from the vehicle dropping them off and then into the school.    I don't wonder why this generation of parents are rearing soft and weak kids.   No doubt there are some good reasons for transporting a child to school but it's become more of a "my kid is special" kind of thing.

Rams

I was referring to kids walking to or standing at a bus stop. We live is a quiet neighborhood so morning traffic isn't so hectic or fast but many bus stops are not. Sure the ones out that early waiting for a bus are HS teens but many of those stops don't even have a street light overhead or even close.


In HS my kids were like the one of the first kids on the bus, I think pickup was about 6:15- 6:20am. Bus would arrive at the school about 6:45 and they had to be in first class by 6:55 bell. They'd be up about 5:45am just for breakfast, get dressed, make their beds and anything else before leaving. Depending on schedules, they'd have active after school activities...sports, a job, in school clubs as well as a couple hours of homework, dinner as a family as well a a shower. Bedtime usually rolled in about 11pm. Approximately 6 hours of sleep for still growing teens is not the best so being able to bring a little relief was fine with me.

I'd drop them off at 6:45 before the majority of the busses rolled in, they liked the few extra minutes and could meet with teachers, a coach or just have those few extra minutes to themselves.

Sorry but teenagers, 15,16,17 years old being up and ready to go, basically reporting "to work" (school was their job) before many adults are even out of bed to start their day is crazy. Heck I didn't have to be to work until 8am.

Mike,
As I stated, there are always special circumstances to be considered.   Not disagreeing or agreeing whether or not situations as you mentioned are valid or not.

But, I constantly see hundreds of parents dropping off and picking up kids at school, this is simply being "Special" in my opinion.

From the 6th grade on until I got my own transportation I walked 2.5 miles home from school of my own free will.  The fact is, I could walk that distance and still beat the bus home.   I did ride the school bus to school, obviously I lived on the end of the school bus route.  The reason I walked that 2.5 miles home was I was reared on a farm/ranch and had chores to do and animals to care for.   I had responsibilities that had to be addressed.   Too many parents don't assign responsibilities to their kids and don't enforce standards.

I don't blame parents for attempting to address dangerous situations for their kids but, too many are failing to prepare their offspring for the challenges those offspring will face when Dad and Mom are no longer to provide that protection.

Rams

[98valk]

Based on what I see at schools, very few kids actually walk except from the vehicle dropping them off and then into the school.    I don't wonder why this generation of parents are rearing soft and weak kids.   No doubt there are some good reasons for transporting a child to school but it's become more of a "my kid is special" kind of thing.

Rams

it was over a decade ago when there was an increase in child abductions in certain areas, so the child drop offs, a parent at a bus stop, etc., started to increase. some schools check cars/driver that are coming to pickup children at end of school.

[Jersey mike]

Based on what I see at schools, very few kids actually walk except from the vehicle dropping them off and then into the school.    I don't wonder why this generation of parents are rearing soft and weak kids.   No doubt there are some good reasons for transporting a child to school but it's become more of a "my kid is special" kind of thing.

Rams

I was referring to kids walking to or standing at a bus stop. We live is a quiet neighborhood so morning traffic isn't so hectic or fast but many bus stops are not. Sure the ones out that early waiting for a bus are HS teens but many of those stops don't even have a street light overhead or even close.


In HS my kids were like the one of the first kids on the bus, I think pickup was about 6:15- 6:20am. Bus would arrive at the school about 6:45 and they had to be in first class by 6:55 bell. They'd be up about 5:45am just for breakfast, get dressed, make their beds and anything else before leaving. Depending on schedules, they'd have active after school activities...sports, a job, in school clubs as well as a couple hours of homework, dinner as a family as well a a shower. Bedtime usually rolled in about 11pm. Approximately 6 hours of sleep for still growing teens is not the best so being able to bring a little relief was fine with me.

I'd drop them off at 6:45 before the majority of the busses rolled in, they liked the few extra minutes and could meet with teachers, a coach or just have those few extra minutes to themselves.

Sorry but teenagers, 15,16,17 years old being up and ready to go, basically reporting "to work" (school was their job) before many adults are even out of bed to start their day is crazy. Heck I didn't have to be to work until 8am.

Mike,
As I stated, there are always special circumstances to be considered.   Not disagreeing or agreeing whether or not situations as you mentioned are valid or not.

But, I constantly see hundreds of parents dropping off and picking up kids at school, this is simply being "Special" in my opinion.

From the 6th grade on until I got my own transportation I walked 2.5 miles home from school of my own free will.  The fact is, I could walk that distance and still beat the bus home.   I did ride the school bus to school, obviously I lived on the end of the school bus route.  The reason I walked that 2.5 miles home was I was reared on a farm/ranch and had chores to do and animals to care for.   I had responsibilities that had to be addressed.   Too many parents don't assign responsibilities to their kids and don't enforce standards.

I don't blame parents for attempting to address dangerous situations for their kids but, too many are failing to prepare their offspring for the challenges those offspring will face when Dad and Mom are no longer to provide that protection.

Rams

Yeah I get that 100%.  Didn't mean to get defensive on it, the school schedule here has annoyed me for a long time.

We do live in a different age now, I remember a year or two ago a young kid was picked up by LEO after some called it in for walking to a convenience store somewhere and his parents got in trouble. Can't recall the specifics of it all.

Parents in my neighborhood with younger elementary age kids (and some middle school) actually drive their kids to the bus stop and they all wait in their cars for the bus to come. No more playing or goofing around without parents watching over them. No more tossing a ball around while waiting. Everything just supervised. I get people being concerned but there are times when ya gotta bite that bullet and just let your kid be a kid.

[GiG]

.... "in HS my kids were like the one of the first kids on the bus"...

I didn't have many kids in HS     

[LadyDraco]

.... "in HS my kids were like the one of the first kids on the bus"...

I didn't have many kids in HS     

I walked 2 miles to school n back..
There was a bus the driver was always drunk...
   Besides walking was way more fun to and fro.
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