Peak Oil? alternate energy because we are running out of oil?

[98valk]

looks like my source spinned me this time. 

http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/bakken.asp

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CA, the links you posted say 3-4.5 billion recoverable barrels.   How do you get 2 TRILLION out of that?

Also, where does it say "the environmentalists and others have blocked all efforts to help America become independent of foreign oil! "

Just curious...

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Maybe you could do a little bit of fact checking BEFORE you post that kinda stuff? 

Some folks get real uppity and think I'm being "rude" and call me names when I do it for you. 

[98valk]

like I posted one got by me.
Did u ever make a mistake?  are u perfect?
notice I didn't slam u, but made a change after u pointed out a mistake.

are u a regular caller to the michael medved show? http://www.michaelmedved.com/

[98valk]

how about this one?

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/21/world/middleeast/21israel.html?_r=1

[NCGhostrider]

I have heard we were running out of oil forever.   My family has worked in the oilfields since its inception.  We will run out someday...no question about that!  But the same fields are producing here in TX that were producing 50 years ago.  Some are producing now that were considered useless in the past.   Wells are constantly plugged during "down times" to be saved until prices are brought back up.   

We need to conserve...yes.   Is "alternative energy" the answer?  Maybe, Texas is one of largest wind generation states in the country (so much for us being a bunch of backwards hicks).  We may even be a world leader in that area.  We have many of them just a few miles from me.  I can see them 20 miles away.  They are noisy, MESSY, and require constant maintenance.  The ones we have here take app 500 gallons of oil to keep them cool, and when they are not turning they still have cooling fans/motors/pumps that use electricity to keep critical components cool.  They groan even when the wind is not blowing!!   

I have yet to see a "carbon footprint" study on these giants, but the little research I did do on it wasn't overly impressive.   The ones making money here are(were) the installers, the landowners and residual support which is massive.  Ironically, they are not being installed in my area now...because oil money slowed down and they are not able to fund/cost justify them.   

Am I against alternative energy..not at all.  I love the concept.  But it is my opinion (and it is just that) that the American public is being duped with these things.   I guess we have to start somewhere. 

Of course , if we were serious, we would turn off the climate control, start riding bicycles and horses again, and well... you get t picture...

Semi related post... my 2 cents worth, maybe less

[musclehead]

CA, the links you posted say 3-4.5 billion recoverable barrels.   How do you get 2 TRILLION out of that?

Also, where does it say "the environmentalists and others have blocked all efforts to help America become independent of foreign oil! "

Just curious...

are you seriously curious? your not going to say that oil companies can just march right into anwar and start drilling?

I like it when politicians say things like "lessen our dependancy on foreign oil"  because it is a universal statement that appeals to everyone

conservatives hear "lets drill and build a refinery or two"

liberals hear "lets tax the crap out gas and build light  rail and high speed rail, and then tax it some more to cover operating costs because people aren't using it"

[musclehead]

I have heard we were running out of oil forever.   My family has worked in the oilfields since its inception.  We will run out someday...no question about that!  But the same fields are producing here in TX that were producing 50 years ago.  Some are producing now that were considered useless in the past.   Wells are constantly plugged during "down times" to be saved until prices are brought back up.   

We need to conserve...yes.   Is "alternative energy" the answer?  Maybe, Texas is one of largest wind generation states in the country (so much for us being a bunch of backwards hicks).  We may even be a world leader in that area.  We have many of them just a few miles from me.  I can see them 20 miles away.  They are noisy, MESSY, and require constant maintenance.  The ones we have here take app 500 gallons of oil to keep them cool, and when they are not turning they still have cooling fans/motors/pumps that use electricity to keep critical components cool.  They groan even when the wind is not blowing!!   

I have yet to see a "carbon footprint" study on these giants, but the little research I did do on it wasn't overly impressive.   The ones making money here are(were) the installers, the landowners and residual support which is massive.  Ironically, they are not being installed in my area now...because oil money slowed down and they are not able to fund/cost justify them.   

Am I against alternative energy..not at all.  I love the concept.  But it is my opinion (and it is just that) that the American public is being duped with these things.   I guess we have to start somewhere. 

Of course , if we were serious, we would turn off the climate control, start riding bicycles and horses again, and well... you get t picture...

Semi related post... my 2 cents worth, maybe less

we're putting them up fast I see wind farms all over since i'm a truck driver, BUT and it's a big one

1, they generate 1.5 MW, pretty anemic by other methods
2, the durn things won't run when it's too cold or too windy
3, the amount of energy that wind /solar supplies is just 4% of the countries requirements
4, give it a decade and BILLIONS of dollars and they might be able supply 10-11%
5, windmills costs 4 times as much as conventional power producers

we need to find/build alternative energy sources but to shut down or severely tax existing conventional power plants is beyond ill-advised. nuclear, coal, hydro, natural gas is what we need right now, in the future who knows what we'll invent.

[98valk]

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig5/crispin8.html

The field appears to be filling from below and the crude coming up today is from a geological age different from the original crude, which leads to the speculation that the world has limitless supplies of petroleum.

This really interested some scientists. Thomas Gold, astronomer and professor emeritus of Cornell held for years that oil is actually renewable primordial syrup continually manufactured by the earth under ultra hot conditions and tremendous pressures. This substance migrates upward picking up bacteria that attack it making it appear to have an organic origin, i.e., come from dinosaurs and vegetation. As best I have found so far Russian scientists support his position, at least that petroleum is of primordial origin. There is now plenty of evidence around proving the presence of methane in our universe. It is easy to see it as a part of the formation of the earth. Under the right conditions of temperature and pressure, it converts to more complex hydrocarbons.




http://www.rense.com/general63/refil.htm

And, Roberts said, it's clear that "the Gulf of Mexico leaks like a sieve. You can't take a submarine dive without running into an oil or gas seep. And on a calm day, you can't take a boat ride without seeing gigantic oil slicks" on the sea surface.
 
Roberts added that natural seepage in places like the Gulf of Mexico "far exceeds anything that gets spilled" by oil tankers and other sources.


Kennicutt, a faculty member at Texas A&M University, said it is now clear that gas and oil are coming into the known reservoirs very rapidly in terms of geologic time. The inflow of new gas, and some oil, has been detectable in as little as three to 10 years. In the past, it was not suspected that oil fields can refill because it was assumed the oil formed in place, or nearby, rather than far below.

"No one has been more astonished by the potential implications of our work than myself," said analytic chemist Jean Whelan, at the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution, in Massachusetts. "There already appears to be a large body of evidence consistent with ... oil and gas generation and migration on very short time scales in many areas globally," she wrote in the journal Sea Technology.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/671542/posts

Enjoy!

[NCGhostrider]

Very interesting!!!  Thanks for that post.  I would have been laughed out of the group if I had suggested that it might be replenishing itself!!   Even if the theory proves to be unfounded, there still is something going on in my opinion.