? about the nut cage mod

[old2soon]

I'm going d/s with a 205-60-16. Nut cage mod is done and rough edges dressed up nice and smooth. Should i use the big square nut that was in the cage or find a smaller nut?? Or run the bolt so the threads are on the outside instead and get acorn nuts for it?? Again TIA Guys. RIDE SAFE.

[GJS]

I went with the square nuts.
When I did mine I had the bike taken apart, with that section of fender removed.
I spot welded the nut into place. Not a practical solution for many, but made sense to me at the time.
It may be difficult to find another nut that shallow, and smaller.

Good luck.
Glenn

[PhredValk]

I haven't done it yet, but I'm thinking of using a flat-headed carriage bolt running out from the fender so the head is inside. Maybe 3mm max inside the fender.
Fred.

[Thunderbolt]

Doesn't have to be the same thread and pitch as long as the nut's are the same.  Easier to get standard parts than metric.

[Jess from VA]

Having removed the cage and all for extra clearance, I would not use the big fat nuts... I just used regular-small of the same size.  If I had the carriage bolts and other outside fasteners, I would have use them, but they were not on hand, so....

Spot welding on the inside of the fender would seem likely to damage the paint on the outside; at least with my welding skills.

[csj]

My Tourer was rubbing badly when I installed my 205/60/16.
The tire was hot when touched after riding. So I removed
the rear fender and hack-sawed off the nut cages.
I re-used the original rectang. nuts and so far, A-OK,
no rubbing, no loose hardware, but will likely get in there
this year and loctite it up.

[fudgie]

I think I used a lock nut on mine. I lost a nut in 06 out in Sturgis and my fender flopped around all week. I do check tightness every spring.

[Tropic traveler]

You lost a nut in 06 out in Sturgis??????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And WHAT flopped around all week????? 

[OverdueBill]

I got two stainless carriage bolts at Lowe's/Home Depot whichever and two stainless cap nuts.  Looks normal and works great.  To save effort, I got two looooong bolts and cut to size when I saw what was needed.  Holy smoke, Batman!  That rear section of fender was a bit.... uh big problem to get lined up and back on.  Last time it comes off if I can help it.

[NITRO]

I haven't done it yet, but I'm thinking of using a flat-headed carriage bolt running out from the fender so the head is inside. Maybe 3mm max inside the fender.
Fred.

This is what I did, it works well. I used a standard bolt, but I forget what size, and cut off the extra when I was done (I think it was a 5" long bolt). I haven't gotten around to it yet, but you can also put an acorn nut on the end of the bolts then to dress them up if you have a standard (you don't see them with the OEM bags in place).

[old2soon]

O-k everyone-as usual-good and concise information. Gettin the fender section back on was fun-even after gettin everything in arms reach before i started. I'll start out with the original flat nuts and see what happens. If the durn things gotta be changed out-puttin her on the lift and droppin the shocks ain't that big a deal!! :coolsmiley:RIDE SAFE.

[B]

Ended up having to go back in and change the square nut to smaller nut due to some rubbing on big bumps with 2 up.

[da prez]

 hey all , due to old age , I have not started on my bike, but my brother bought a Valk after riding mine and is doing the 205 tire. There is a bolt called a garage door (carriage type) bolt that has a much larger head but is very thin. Most good hardware stores and some bigbox stores have them but you usually have to ask. I have them in 1/4 and 3/8 sizes in my stock. If you cannot find them at the stores, then follow a garage door installation truck and beg. Also if you use a wrap of teflon tape it will stay in place but is easier to remove than thread locker.  da prez

[Tx Bohemian]

Doesn't have to be the same thread and pitch as long as the nut's are the same.  Easier to get standard parts than metric.

The local TSC, Lowes, and Home Depot have a really large selection of metric.  I've even found SS acorn nuts.

[fudgie]

You lost a nut in 06 out in Sturgis??????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And WHAT flopped around all week????? 

yea it was a good year.  I keep going back!

[HayHauler]

I had severe rubbing even after the nut cage mod.  The square nut was rubbing on the tire.  Here is how I fixed it.

http://www.valkyrieforum.com/bbs/index.php/topic,16959.msg143962.html#msg143962

Hope this helps ya!

Hay 
Jimmyt

[F6CTrider]

205-60-16 GATT
Stainless carriage bolt from the inside, threads at correct length, outside dressed with a chrome acorn  nut.  Never tried the "half way" short cuts.  Never had a problem.

[stude31]

Old2Soon... I wish you would have just rode over to Topeka,Ks.  We could have knocked this out in no time.

I would recommend doing the washer mod as well... Here is a couple links to look at...

http://www.s2s-accessories.com/photo/fndrmod/

http://rides.webshots.com/album/558419637qsIyod?vhost=rides

I think Wayne (wdvalk) is going to come up to my place tomorrow and he is going to ride my bike w/ CT on it and if he likes it we would do this to his bike and he will be back on the road same day.  

If you have questions give me a call or send me an email...

seven-eight-5- two -two - 0 - one - 3 - zero - eight.

Hope all is going well for you!  

Keep in touch...  any chance you could make it to the ride out in kansas at the end of april?

[Cliff]

205-60-16 GATT
Stainless carriage bolt from the inside, threads at correct length, outside dressed with a chrome acorn  nut.  Never tried the "half way" short cuts.  Never had a problem.

What size/diam carriage bolt did you use?

[X Ring]

I didn't use carriage bolts but all threadwith a nylock nut on the inside and 5/16ths was the biggest I could install without breaking out a drill.

Marty

[Cliff]

I didn't use carriage bolts but all threadwith a nylock nut on the inside and 5/16ths was the biggest I could install without breaking out a drill.

Marty

Thanks Marty, trying to get the info to pick up the needed hardware before starting the project,,, I have a tiny bit of rub on the right side and want to correct it ASAP.

[stude31]

Cliff,

Wildman Tom Zermani lives in Woodstock, VT and he would be a good person to talk to and if he is not working he may even consider helping you. www.valkyrieforum.com/bbs/index.php?action=profile;u=1372
You can send him a message by clicking on "send this member a personal message" here is Tom on the left... He is a great guy and I am sure he wouldn't mind me soliciting his service if needed...   I hope this helps you Cliff.

http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx252/stude31/VRCC%20Members/IMG_1663.jpg

Joe "stude31"

[vanagon40]

Old2Soon... I wish you would have just rode over to Topeka,Ks.  We could have knocked this out in no time.

I would recommend doing the washer mod as well...

+1 on the washer mod.  It is too simple to ignore if a rider is moving to a larger rear tire.  No downside.

[Cliff]

Old2Soon... I wish you would have just rode over to Topeka,Ks.  We could have knocked this out in no time.

I would recommend doing the washer mod as well...

+1 on the washer mod.  It is too simple to ignore if a rider is moving to a larger rear tire.  No downside.

+1 on the washer mod.
  I really don't get all this grinding and cutting bolts. Fighting with the fender rail alignment to get the bolts back in can take a day! The washer mod. will solve your problem guys in 10 easy minutes. This will align your rear fender to center and eliminate the rubbing on the bolt/nut. Click on the link and play the illustrated slideshow. http://rides.webshots.com/album/558419637qsIyod?vhost=rides
(This is in addition to the nutcage mod) for some bikes. I've seen some that are fine with just the nutcage mod.

Ok,, now, what size washers (hole diam) do I need to pick up  (along with bolts for nut cage mod) to do the washer mod?

[Tundra]

Cliff,
 I understand what your looking for, a shopping list to have what you need ahead of time. Smart, I just don't know for sure and don't want to tell you incorrect information. I took my bolts to the local hardware store and replaced them with like size and length, Pan head from the inside out with chrome acorn nuts to finish it on the outside. I purchased the washers at the same time. Sorry, hopefully someone will know the exact size for you.
  Sounds like you've already done the nutcage and have the tire mounted? I would not want to revisit that. (aligning fender with fender rails and bolts)  
  If your going with the Washer Modification to align the center of the rear fender, again I took my fender rail bolt in to the hardware store.  First measure to see if your fender is aligned, you have more to take of to get to the fender rails than me (Interstate)              
           http://rides.webshots.com/album/558419637qsIyod?vhost=rides

[Cliff]

Cliff,
 I understand what your looking for, a shopping list to have what you need ahead of time. Smart, I just don't know for sure and don't want to tell you incorrect information. I took my bolts to the local hardware store and replaced them with like size and length, Pan head from the inside out with chrome acorn nuts to finish it on the outside. I purchased the washers at the same time. Sorry, hopefully someone will know the exact size for you.
  Sounds like you've already done the nutcage and have the tire mounted? I would not want to revisit that. (aligning fender with fender rails and bolts)  
  If your going with the Washer Modification to align the center of the rear fender, again I took my fender rail bolt in to the hardware store.  First measure to see if your fender is aligned, you have more to take of to get to the fender rails than me (Interstate)              
           http://rides.webshots.com/album/558419637qsIyod?vhost=rides

Tundra,
Thanks for the info.  I have now done the washer mod (used enough SS washers to give me 3/8" thickness)  Looks like I may not need to do the nutcage mod with this particular DS tire (General Altimax HP 205/60-16).  Right side nutcage was barely rubbing and only if 2 up.  Since doing washer mod and setting shocks to softest preset no rubbing even riding 2 up.