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New discovery but......

Started by Toledo Mark, Wed 17, Aug 2011, 20:08:28

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Toledo Mark

I am sure many of you already know how to do this.  I posted earlier that my starter button was failing.  WELL.... I figured out how to bypass the starter button and want to know if it will damage anything doing it this way.  If you turn the key to on, and jump the two terminals on the relay behind the right side cover, it will turn over and start. 

Can this damage the bike in anyway?  This is not something I plan on doing daily but just incase the button fails while away from home.

Please advise.

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Chrisj CMA

Thats a high amp circuit right there.  I dont think if you need to leave them wires connected that its a good idea.  a momentary grounding just to start it, if thats all it needs seems a reasonable emergency measure though

Toledo Mark

What I did was just cross them with a screwdriver until it fired.  That would be ok, right? 

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Quote from: Zeus661 on Wed 17, Aug 2011, 20:45:43
What I did was just cross them with a screwdriver until it fired.  That would be ok, right? 
I think if it meant getting home or being stranded I would do it

Michvalk

That is basically what the relay (that your bypassing) is doing.(Minus the sparks!) Replacing the starter relay is the repair. I would do the jumper thng, as opposed to pushing the bike. Then I would find the nearest Honda shop and purchase the part :cooldude:

redflash

it's the easiest way to get her turned over when the starter button fails, won't hurt a thing. Push starting is not much of an option unless you're Superman :)

Mr.BubblesVRCCDS0008

What you doing with the screwdriver is ok. Been doing it for years on just about anything that has a solenoid from lawnmower to tractor or autos. Get a new relay as soon as you can thou.
    As far as push starting a valk it is fairly easy to do. I've push started mine several times because for an alt. that was going out and I was 250 miles from the house. I turn on the key put her in sec or third and hold the clutch in, get her rolling jump on the seat pop the clutch and she'll lite off. It really does have to be rolling very fast either.

redflash

Yeah, it will push start, and you better be in 2nd or 3rd or she'll just drag her rear wheel in 1st :)

RonW

the important thing is that don't keep holding the screwdriver to the two post for an hour straight. I think 20 seconds is the most that's safe. That's even with a working relay where you can fire up the bike by using the start button. Then you have to let things rest in between tries. The wire from the starter relay to the starter-motor gets really hot. That's all I'm going by. I've never measured the amps with a voltmeter or anything like that.
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RonW

Quote from: Mr.BubblesVRCCDS0008 on Thu 18, Aug 2011, 23:04:40

I .... get her rolling jump on the seat pop the clutch and she'll lite off. It really does have to be rolling very fast either.


You just have to be kidding. Actually, I believe you, it just beyond my ability to even contemplate hopping on the horse that way.
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Mike

The part in question here, is it part# 38501-GN2-014 (RELAY, STARTER) which looks like it would be hard to jump, or part# 35850-MT4-000 (SW, STARTER MAGNETIC).

bigguy

Quote from: RONW on Fri 19, Aug 2011, 00:22:28
Quote from: Mr.BubblesVRCCDS0008 on Thu 18, Aug 2011, 23:04:40

I .... get her rolling jump on the seat pop the clutch and she'll lite off. It really does have to be rolling very fast either.


You just have to be kidding. Actually, I believe you, it just beyond my ability to even contemplate hopping on the horse that way.
Yep. That's how I started mine for a week until I got the start button fixed/rigged. It does help to aim it down hill if that's an option, but flat is doable. Just not UP hill. I'm 6'1" - 235 lbs - 40 " inseam. I push it from the saddle. I realize that this isn't an option for everybody, but if you've got my general build, it's not that difficult.
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Farther

6'1" with 40" inseam, you must look like a Daddy Longleg Spider.   :o
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CASABROKER

carry a push button stater switch napa $5 and some heavy gauge wire use the stater button as your screwdriver.  Ask me how I know this.  It works great. let it hang on the right side just below the seat. 

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Quote from: Farther on Fri 19, Aug 2011, 11:19:11
6'1" with 40" inseam, you must look like a Daddy Longleg Spider.   :o

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Used to jump cars in the '60s using that manuver, sometimes they were still in gear.  :tickedoff:
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Quote from: valkyriemc on Fri 19, Aug 2011, 17:55:33
Used to jump cars in the '60s using that manuver, sometimes they were still in gear.  :tickedoff:



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Quote from: Farther on Fri 19, Aug 2011, 11:19:11
6'1" with 40" inseam, you must look like a Daddy Longleg Spider.   :o
Good catch Farther. Not sure why I typed that. 30" Just had 40 on my brain.  :uglystupid2:
I'm actually a little short legged for my height.
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Mr.BubblesVRCCDS0008

Jumped started a tractor once with a pair of pliers. The bad thing was it was in gear and almost ran over me. Must be careful when bypassing safety stuff.

bogator

 Been starting my Murry lawnmower for 2 years with a screwdriver----just can not remember to get a solinoid for it  :crazy2: :crazy2:

fudgie

Thats why i have a rider, to help push start. She is also my reverse, which is embarrasing but I got use to it.  :-[


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Quote from: fudgie on Sun 21, Aug 2011, 09:05:56
Thats why i have a rider, to help push start. She is also my reverse, which is embarrasing but I got use to it.  :-[

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Quote from: bigguy on Fri 19, Aug 2011, 23:01:44
Quote from: Farther on Fri 19, Aug 2011, 11:19:11
6'1" with 40" inseam, you must look like a Daddy Longleg Spider.   :o
Good catch Farther. Not sure why I typed that. 30" Just had 40 on my brain.  :uglystupid2:
I'm actually a little short legged for my height.

Don't feel bad, we all tend to add several inches to our measurements  :2funny:
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Push starting always work... The wife's lighter went out so I pushed started her down the stairs...

with the cigarette. :evil: It must have worked... err... have not seen her since!  :2funny:
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fudgie

Quote from: Paxton on Sun 21, Aug 2011, 18:54:15
Push starting always work... The wife's lighter went out so I pushed started her down the stairs...

with the cigarette. :evil: It must have worked... err... have not seen her since!  :2funny:

I needed a laugh before bed, thx!  ;D


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