Trayvon Martin Matter . . . Opinions

[Jeff K]

All this talk about size. I've got news for you. Not every man is a macho street fighter. I am 52 years old and about the same size as Zimmerman. I have never in my life thrown a punch at any human being. I got Jumped in a bar bathroom and got my head beat in once, but I never even saw the guys that did it, I was busy "doing something" and had my hand full.  got punched in the back of the head.
But short of wrestling my siblings, 4 sisters, I have never been in a fight.

But I do carry.

So any street savvy 6'2" 17 year old is a huge threat to me. He WANTS to fight, and I don't and can't.

My best chance of survival is to shoot him. Because there isn't a remote possibility that I am going to defend myself from anyone hand to hand.

So all you macho guys go ahead and fend off your attackers like a "man" I have another plan. 

If you feel that you can't protect yourself with your hands and feel and know your life is in danger, you would have to use deadly force. Just be sure it is justifiable or you could be charged with murder! I hope it never happens but if it did you better hope he ain't black!! 

There is no law that I am aware of that says "fight for your life with your fists, and if that doesn't work, go ahead and shoot"

[musclehead]

now there are two witnesses to Martin on top of Zimmerman beating him.

and we have Zmans statement of how they got there, I don't know how much water that holds.

are there any photos of the beaten Zimmerman? I don't think the officers took any. are there any photos of Martin at age 17? getting tired of the obviously slanted ones showing a very young man of 13 or so.


I'm reminded of a justified shooting back in my old home town of Mahomet IL, 25 years ago? the details are fuzzy but I remember the shooter going to the jail overnight. mostly for his statement I guess.

[BIG--T]

All this talk about size. I've got news for you. Not every man is a macho street fighter. I am 52 years old and about the same size as Zimmerman. I have never in my life thrown a punch at any human being. I got Jumped in a bar bathroom and got my head beat in once, but I never even saw the guys that did it, I was busy "doing something" and had my hand full.  got punched in the back of the head.
But short of wrestling my siblings, 4 sisters, I have never been in a fight.

But I do carry.

So any street savvy 6'2" 17 year old is a huge threat to me. He WANTS to fight, and I don't and can't.

My best chance of survival is to shoot him. Because there isn't a remote possibility that I am going to defend myself from anyone hand to hand.

So all you macho guys go ahead and fend off your attackers like a "man" I have another plan. 

If you feel that you can't protect yourself with your hands and feel and know your life is in danger, you would have to use deadly force. Just be sure it is justifiable or you could be charged with murder! I hope it never happens but if it did you better hope he ain't black!! 

There is no law that I am aware of that says "fight for your life with your fists, and if that doesn't work, go ahead and shoot"

I didn't anything about a law. I was merely agreeing with what you said and to be careful. BTW, If I was in the same situation as Zimmerman (if it's true) I would be forced to do the same.  

[Serk]

are there any photos of Martin at age 17? getting tired of the obviously slanted ones showing a very young man of 13 or so.

Yes... There is a more recent picture of Mr. Martin taken from his Twitter feed. Details here:

http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/26/the-daily-caller-obtains-trayvon-martins-tweets/

[The Anvil]

are there any photos of Martin at age 17? getting tired of the obviously slanted ones showing a very young man of 13 or so.

Yes... There is a more recent picture of Mr. Martin taken from his Twitter feed. Details here:

http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/26/the-daily-caller-obtains-trayvon-martins-tweets/

Yeah be careful with that. There have already been several proven fakes circulated around the usually unimpeachable internet.

[Jeff K]

are there any photos of Martin at age 17? getting tired of the obviously slanted ones showing a very young man of 13 or so.

Yes... There is a more recent picture of Mr. Martin taken from his Twitter feed. Details here:

http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/26/the-daily-caller-obtains-trayvon-martins-tweets/

Yeah be careful with that. There have already been several proven fakes circulated around the usually unimpeachable internet.

No, that is a good picture. I know because Media Matters called Drudge a liar for posting a fake picture... then later tweeted an apology, yes that is correct, MM apologized to Drudge.   

[The Anvil]

are there any photos of Martin at age 17? getting tired of the obviously slanted ones showing a very young man of 13 or so.

Yes... There is a more recent picture of Mr. Martin taken from his Twitter feed. Details here:

http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/26/the-daily-caller-obtains-trayvon-martins-tweets/

Yeah be careful with that. There have already been several proven fakes circulated around the usually unimpeachable internet.

No, that is a good picture. I know because Media Matters called Drudge a liar for posting a fake picture... then later tweeted an apology, yes that is correct, MM apologized to Drudge.   

Oh okay, it's a good picture. So what exactly does it mean?

[Jeff K]

are there any photos of Martin at age 17? getting tired of the obviously slanted ones showing a very young man of 13 or so.

Yes... There is a more recent picture of Mr. Martin taken from his Twitter feed. Details here:

http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/26/the-daily-caller-obtains-trayvon-martins-tweets/

Yeah be careful with that. There have already been several proven fakes circulated around the usually unimpeachable internet.

No, that is a good picture. I know because Media Matters called Drudge a liar for posting a fake picture... then later tweeted an apology, yes that is correct, MM apologized to Drudge.   

Oh okay, it's a good picture. So what exactly does it mean?

Not a damn thing to me. I don't care what they look like, if they are attacking me I am going to respond the same way. Whether they look like Urkle or a gang banger.

[Jeff K]

The school said they confiscated a "burglary tool", and women's jewelry from Trayvon. But hey, it was just a screw driver and some stuff he found, like wedding bands and such. No story there. So there isn't even a remote possibility that he may have been shopping for more than just skittles. Nope, not at all.

[BIG--T]

The school said they confiscated a "burglary tool", and women's jewelry from Trayvon. But hey, it was just a screw driver and some stuff he found, like wedding bands and such. No story there. So there isn't even a remote possibility that he may have been shopping for more than just skittles. Nope, not at all.

The liberal media wants to portray him in an innocent light, like the picture of him in his football gear at 13. They want to portray him as a good, innocent  po lil black boy.There has been protesting here and all over the country in the hoodies and skittles.

Question: What do they do with all the skittles?? Give it to the NBP fund?? 

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

I've got to agree. If someone sucker punched me in the dark, rang my bell and was slamming my head into the sidewalk I'd be kicking my own ass for not pulling my gun sooner. And whether either or both of us was red, green, blue, black, white or brown would have been completely irreverent.

But, you can bet ur rear that criminals and those they vote for hate the "stand your ground" law and see this as their chance to get rid of it.

[Thespian]

 And if some chunky dude in Florida was following me in his pickup at night in the rain, I wouldn't give him a chance to whack me over the head and through me in the back.  I think Id might walk up and say you got a problem? When I got to a well lighted & populated area.

[BIG--T]

I've got to agree. If someone sucker punched me in the dark, rang my bell and was slamming my head into the sidewalk I'd be kicking my own ass for not pulling my gun sooner. And whether either or both of us was red, green, blue, black, white or brown would have been completely irreverent.

But, you can bet ur rear that criminals and those they vote for hate the "stand your ground" law and see this as their chance to get rid of it.

Sadly our state is wanting to repeal that law after the Florida incident.

[Jeff K]

And if some chunky dude in Florida was following me in his pickup at night in the rain, I wouldn't give him a chance to whack me over the head and through me in the back.  I think Id might walk up and say you got a problem? When I got to a well lighted & populated area.

Pickup? What pickup?
You can ask "you got a problem" that isn't an issue. But when you add "you do now" followed by a severe beating... you might end up with a gun shot wound to the chest in Florida.

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

I've got to agree. If someone sucker punched me in the dark, rang my bell and was slamming my head into the sidewalk I'd be kicking my own ass for not pulling my gun sooner. And whether either or both of us was red, green, blue, black, white or brown would have been completely irreverent.

But, you can bet ur rear that criminals and those they vote for hate the "stand your ground" law and see this as their chance to get rid of it.

Sadly our state is wanting to repeal that law after the Florida incident.

If it gets close to a vote call and E mail your representatives. It does make a difference.

[Thespian]

And if some chunky dude in Florida was following me in his pickup at night in the rain, I wouldn't give him a chance to whack me over the head and through me in the back.  I think Id might walk up and say you got a problem? When I got to a well lighted & populated area.

Pickup? What pickup?
You can ask "you got a problem" that isn't an issue. But when you add "you do now" followed by a severe beating... you might end up with a gun shot wound to the chest in Florida.

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Do you know the answer to the question? Was it F--k off Ni--er?

Question is, who set the wheels in motion. Who's actions were most instrumental to the outcome. wannabee vigilante?  Big Black kid walking home in the rain?  

[Thespian]

 We seem to be ignoring the fact that there is a segment of our society that LOVES there guns, and are looking for any excuse to use them. No proof that was the case here, but it's a factor.  

I live near a military base, and recall talking to a new recruit who told me, " I just joined so I can kill people legally, don't care who".
They Walk among us.  

[BIG--T]

I've got to agree. If someone sucker punched me in the dark, rang my bell and was slamming my head into the sidewalk I'd be kicking my own ass for not pulling my gun sooner. And whether either or both of us was red, green, blue, black, white or brown would have been completely irreverent.

But, you can bet ur rear that criminals and those they vote for hate the "stand your ground" law and see this as their chance to get rid of it.

Sadly our state is wanting to repeal that law after the Florida incident.

If it gets close to a vote call and E mail your representatives. It does make a difference.

Yes I will. Right now only 2 congressmen are calling for it and guess what? They are both black...coincidence?? I dunno   

[Thespian]

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/24/2710297/stand-your-ground-law-had-a-sad.html  ???

I'm reminded of the line from Lord of the rings, LEAVE NONE ALIVE!

[The Anvil]

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/24/2710297/stand-your-ground-law-had-a-sad.html  ???

I'm reminded of the line from Lord of the rings, LEAVE NONE ALIVE!

That is a pretty interesting read.

[BIG--T]

The writer Fred Grimm sounds very bias IMO!

[The Anvil]

The writer Fred Grimm sounds very bias IMO!

Yes it sure seems that way. But the facts pass the initial sniff test. I actually remember the one where the guy was chased down and stabbed. Maybe that has something to do with the bias?

But again, this is all exactly what I predicted would happen if these laws were left so vague.

[MP]

There is now a current photo of Martin out there, released by friends.  It shows a 6' 2" Martin, not a 12 year old boy.  The people that are using the current picture are being called "racists"!. What a surprise!

MP

[BIG--T]

There is now a current photo of Martin out there, released by friends.  It shows a 6' 2" Martin, not a 12 year old boy.  The people that are using the current picture are being called "racists"!. What a surprise!

MP

Yeah really, and I wonder what Al, Sharpton and the NBP are! 

[G-Man]

There is now a current photo of Martin out there, released by friends.  It shows a 6' 2" Martin, not a 12 year old boy.  The people that are using the current picture are being called "racists"!. What a surprise!

MP

Yeah really, and I wonder what Al, Sharpton and the NBP are! 

I was thinking that on the drive in to work this morning.  Hmmmmm, Al sure is quiet since we've learned more about Mr. Martin and heard from witnesses.   

But strangley, here in New York, the next wanna-be mayor, Ms. Quinn, is making speeches at hoodie wearing gatherings about how the police didn't arrest Zimmerman, which tells everyone that he did nothing wrong.  This Quinn person is a real piece of work and I know the nutty NY Democratic machine is gonna make her out to be what Obama was supposed to be.   

[donaldcc]

      So i'm still undecided about MY opinion in the matter.  I have vacillated back and forth trying not to be swayed by racism and bigotry.

   Interesting new video footage from Z being taken into police station.  Sure doesn't look like a guy who was being beat to death or injury consistent with thinking that.

  I'm sure there will be more "leaked" info to come about both parties. 

[valkmc]

http://www.ocala.com/article/20110220/ARTICLES/110229998

I am not a gun control advocate, I carry. However to me the stand your ground law protects more than the person who is truly in need of it. The link above is a case that took place in Ocala Florida. The law protected a trouble youth (alternative school more than once and on probation). I know both of the parties involved and this was a student/young person fight. Illegal weapons possession by a minor. The shooter hid the gun and fled the scene after the shooting. The two young men were aquaintences who got in a fight and someone got shot, doesn't seem right to me.

[Serk]

   Interesting new video footage from Z being taken into police station.  Sure doesn't look like a guy who was being beat to death or injury consistent with thinking that.

I really wish we were getting facts instead of emotionally charged leaks, but that video, depending on how you take it, could also show a man who's just had a bad gash to the back of his head consistent with his story who'd had the wound washed.

http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/29/police-surveillance-video-of-zimmerman-may-show-head-injury/

[The Anvil]

I think we can all agree that the real victim here is the hooded sweatshirt. Such a versatile garment that has served so many so faithfully over the years deserves better than to have Geraldo Rivera savaging it's character.

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

I think we can all agree that the real victim here is the hooded sweatshirt. Such a versatile garment that has served so many so faithfully over the years deserves better than to have Geraldo Rivera savaging it's character.

I've got a hoodie or two also. Mine are camo, not sure where that leaves me........?

[The Anvil]

I think we can all agree that the real victim here is the hooded sweatshirt. Such a versatile garment that has served so many so faithfully over the years deserves better than to have Geraldo Rivera savaging it's character.

I've got a hoodie or two also. Mine are camo, not sure where that leaves me........?

Waiting in the bushes to cause mayhem?

[doniholcomb]

every body who is saying to arrest him, what are you going to charge him with?   ie what crime has he commited. You must look at the definition of murder, manslaughter etc.  to see if it fits.

[Psychotic Bovine]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=oxs5Woss__k#!

this speaks for itself.

[The Anvil]

Diary of a mad black woman.

[NC_Rob]

I think we can all agree that the real victim here is the hooded sweatshirt. Such a versatile garment that has served so many so faithfully over the years deserves better than to have Geraldo Rivera savaging it's character.

AMEN!!!

[98valk]

http://www.foxcarolina.com/story/17284891/seneca-police-arrest-6-accused-of-beating-nc-man

[BIG--T]

http://www.foxcarolina.com/story/17284891/seneca-police-arrest-6-accused-of-beating-nc-man

CA I was going to post this but you beat me to it, you must live around here!

Yeah where is Jesse or Al when you need them...oh wait I forgot he was white! We'll never hear no more about it. If a black and white dude get in a fight, why is it there will be a whole posse jumping in to help beat him up while most white ppl act like nothings happening and won't even try to break it up? 

[98valk]

http://www.foxcarolina.com/story/17284891/seneca-police-arrest-6-accused-of-beating-nc-man

CA I was going to post this but you beat me to it, you must live around here!

Yeah where is Jesse or Al when you need them...oh wait I forgot he was white! We'll never hear no more about it. If a black and white dude get in a fight, why is it there will be a whole posse jumping in to help beat him up while most white ppl act like nothings happening and won't even try to break it up? 

south jersey
just peruse drudgereport.com and michaelsavage.com  for the real news that the marxist news channels refuse to cover.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/9173820/Parents-of-murdered-British-students-criticise-Barack-Obama.html

[BIG--T]

CA, Thanks for the link, they don't sound bias. I am so afraid and I've heard this for years but there could very well be a race war soon. If the new black panthers, al, and jesse stir the pot much more they may get what they want! Can only take so much.

[texaninsouthfl]

   Interesting new video footage from Z being taken into police station.  Sure doesn't look like a guy who was being beat to death or injury consistent with thinking that.

I really wish we were getting facts instead of emotionally charged leaks, but that video, depending on how you take it, could also show a man who's just had a bad gash to the back of his head consistent with his story who'd had the wound washed.

http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/29/police-surveillance-video-of-zimmerman-may-show-head-injury/

It's not surprising that CBS (I think that's who aired it to start with... not sure but one of the lamestream networks) edited the part of the video that appears to show the gash on the back of the head, as well as a moment that the LEO appears to examine Zimmerman's noggin.

Regardless of the eventual outcome, the shameless and dishonest way the media has portrayed the incident and the disgusting rush to politically profit by the race whores and politician is simply nauseating.