83-percent-of-doctors-have-considered-quitting-over-obamacare

[98valk]

http://dailycaller.com/2012/07/09/report-83-percent-of-doctors-have-considered-quitting-over-obamacare/

[alph]

the doctor i've had for the last ten years is now retiring the end of this year.  he's told me many times that had he known then what he knows now, he'd never would have become a doctor. 

[donaldcc]

http://dailycaller.com/2012/07/09/report-83-percent-of-doctors-have-considered-quitting-over-obamacare/

You just can't believe what you read on the internet . . .  or you can find what you want to prove.  Not supporting or rejecting any views, but this is Tea Party BS.  To call themselves "nonpartisan" is a big stretch and  they try to make themselves sound like AMA that supported bill.

The Doctor Patient Medical Association (DPMA) and the Patient Power Alliance (PPA) work to repeal health care reform and call themselves a "a nonpartisan association of doctors and patients dedicated to preserving free choice in medicine." The organization is a member of the National Tea Party Federation and the "American Grassroots Coalition."

[cookiedough]

Not that I go see a dr. anyways even for my yearly free physical, but it is right now so far backed up to make an appt. to see the dr., that we just skip the dr. usually and see the nurse practioneer.  The drs. are so backlogged with patients I don't even bother anymore with DeanCare HMO.  If something urgent comes up, it is hard to get in without going to ER.  Never used to be that way a few years ago and yet our premiums keep increasing every year while coverage continues to go way down and way more out of pocket upfront costs.  I figured our monthly insurance premiums are NOT worth it UNLESS something major comes up that costs us over 5 grand out of pocket.   

[Chrisj CMA]

I do believe we will lose some doctors.  However, we have too many doctors that became doctors to be rich and dont have the heart for their patients like the real good doctors you find.  The get rich quick ones can go bye bye. 

Its kind of like 2 out of 3 dentists surveyed......technically they could have asked 3 dentists to get those results............meaningless

If they asked 100 doctors and 50 didnt answer because they were busy being doctors and 85% of the rest said they considered it (but 90% of them decided against it) that leaves 3 that may quit becuase they wont be getting rich anytime soon...........

changes things

[Doc809]

Please note that the post said "considered" quitting.  Does not say "will".  I have "considered" quitting.  It is because your premiums go up, you out of pocket goes up, and my reimbursement goes down.  My income is 50% of what it was 10 years ago!  You think my expenses are 50% of what they used to be?  Makes me wonder how many folks on this board would still be in their current occupation if their income was DECREASING?  Oh and by the way, has anyone on this board actually read the bill?  I have!  You guys are in for some real surprises if this thing stays in its current form.  Nobody is complaining, yet.  It hasn't affected you personally, yet.  Rest assured it is about to!  And you are not gonna like what happens.

[fudgie]

My bosses wife took a huge pay cut, 25%, and laid off bunch of staff in anticipation of obama care. A few doctors are also quiting. It cost them to much to stay in.

[Bob E.]

You guys are in for some real surprises if this thing stays in its current form.  Nobody is complaining, yet.  It hasn't affected you personally, yet.  Rest assured it is about to!  And you are not gonna like what happens.

Such as...?  I hear alot of "the sky is falling" type of warnings, etc.  So I'd like to hear an actual doctor's take such as yourself.  When I talked to my doctor and my chiropractor about it, they didn't seem too concerned.  But then again, they may not have been very informed.

[98valk]

Please note that the post said "considered" quitting.  Does not say "will".  I have "considered" quitting.  It is because your premiums go up, you out of pocket goes up, and my reimbursement goes down.  My income is 50% of what it was 10 years ago!  You think my expenses are 50% of what they used to be?  Makes me wonder how many folks on this board would still be in their current occupation if their income was DECREASING?  Oh and by the way, has anyone on this board actually read the bill?  I have!  You guys are in for some real surprises if this thing stays in its current form.  Nobody is complaining, yet.  It hasn't affected you personally, yet.  Rest assured it is about to!  And you are not gonna like what happens.

u are correct Doc, the frogs in the pot will not start complaining until its too late. in the mean time they will just put down and ignore the people trying to tell them the truth.

[RainMaker]

The figure of 83 percent "considering" may be accurate (depending on how the question was asked), but the actual rate that will quit? 

How many celebrities said they would "leave the country" if Bush was re-elected?  How many did?

Like any occupation, some people don't work and do what they do just for the paycheck.  They actually like or love what they do.  I think Doc really likes being a doctor, helping folks to feel better and live longer.

I've had jobs where I had a nice 6 figure income and I hated the jobs.  I now work with my wife in a home-based business and make far less but love it far more. 

Any surveys with such dramatic numbers should always call them into question.

[steve 3054]

One of my doctors has close his two practices, let go 40 people and it cost him around $300 to break leases and return equipment.  He is going to try a get a job at a local hospital as a ER doc... another doc has already let go of 30 people he had a staff of 90-100 people, medi care has dropped his payments by 30%...for doing the same thing...he is now working weekends at the hospital to keep his boat afloat...these are personal friends of mind...I dont think your doctor would have this conversation with just any body as you dont discuss how much or how little you have...to think Obamacare is the anwer is a little navive....Justis Roberts called it a tax for a reson...to help get it repealed!!!!

[solo1]

I don't believe in numbers in polls as it depends on what questions are asked and polls can be tilted..

I only see results and I do know that I'm not liking what is happening to me personally on health care issues.  At my age, the future for me is not bright.

My retirement company dropped my group medical plan as of July 1st, no warning!  I have been forced  into a plan that AARP designed.  AARP says that they are for seniors but, in truth, they are in the insurance  business and they were all for Obamacare!!!  This is a FACT. I'm no longer a member of the AARP.

My plan is suspicious since it's been 'propped up' by 8 billion dollars that were questionably put aside by the Obama administration.  This 8 billion funding will expire after the presidential election. also a fact, not a poll.

As far as I'm concerned there is some here that are frogs that will be in hot water soon.  Dumb, and happy, and in denial on medical shenanigans. 

No, I'm not a member of the Tea Party but they will be proved right too late.

[G-Man]

I figured our monthly insurance premiums are NOT worth it UNLESS something major comes up that costs us over 5 grand out of pocket.   

But that's what INSURANCE is for.

We have stopped calling health insurance what it really is and have begun to call it Health Care....which it is not.

You don't pay insurance premiums for physicals and the sniffles....you pay premiums so you don't go bankrupt paying for a bypass!

Everyone wants to pay a little bit to get a whole lot.  That's not what insurance is. 

[G-Man]

The get rich quick ones can go bye bye. 

How do you get rich quick becoming a doctor?

Let's see.......4 years of undergrad at a decent ($) school just to be considered for med school.  Ecxellent grades just to be considered.  Passing the MCAT with an excellent grade to be considered.  Then 4 years of med school ($$), 1 yesr of internship, minimum 3 years of residency, 5 if you're a surgeon, fellowships for specialists........About 12 years investedm all before you've made anything and already in debt of $200,000 MINUMUM.....comes to over $2,000 a month in student loans every month.

Where's the shortcut?

[Rams]

Please note that the post said "considered" quitting.  Does not say "will".  I have "considered" quitting.  It is because your premiums go up, you out of pocket goes up, and my reimbursement goes down.  My income is 50% of what it was 10 years ago!  You think my expenses are 50% of what they used to be?  Makes me wonder how many folks on this board would still be in their current occupation if their income was DECREASING?  Oh and by the way, has anyone on this board actually read the bill?  I have!  You guys are in for some real surprises if this thing stays in its current form.  Nobody is complaining, yet.  It hasn't affected you personally, yet.  Rest assured it is about to!  And you are not gonna like what happens.

I have two friends on another forum that are MDs, both have espoused the same concerns.  In a private message, one told me that he is only staying in medicine because, it's his calling.  He's a very good Christian that believes in giving back but, he told me, he can't give if he doesn't have.  He does a lot of volunteer medicine both in the US and outside.  He is totally against Obama Care but will continue to practice as long as he can. 

He asked me once if I still had the number to that truck driving school.  Sure hope he was kidding.

[G-Man]

Don't worry, everything will be fine.

Obamacare cuts $500,000,000,000 from Medicare and appropriates the same $500,000,000,000 for Medicade.  My colleagues have seen a 21.5% cut in Medicare reimbursments already (remember, tax for 4 years to cover the cost when it kicks in).  My  parents have noticed a bit more of a wait for appointments down in south Florida's retirment hot spot of Delray Beach.  Dad's Podiatrist closed up shop.

I say don't worry because when more physicians close up or slim down, you'll be able to get appointments at the medicade clinics.  For all of you lucky enough to not be dependant on Medicade, the Medicade clinic is a WHOLE OTHER WORLD.  Crowded, noisey, English is the 4th language, screaming babies, kids climbing on everything, old equptment (if it even works), lack of supplies, etc.  The perfect place for the practise of good medicine.  And most will fit right in because so many Medicade patients feel entitled to everything, quickly, and even get carfare to and from the clinic.  Enjoy!

[f6gal]

... we have too many doctors that became doctors to be rich and dont have the heart for their patients like the real good doctors you find.

B.S.; that may be public perception, but I don't believe it's at all accurate.

[f6gal]

You guys are in for some real surprises if this thing stays in its current form.  Nobody is complaining, yet.  It hasn't affected you personally, yet.  Rest assured it is about to!  And you are not gonna like what happens.

Such as...?  I hear alot of "the sky is falling" type of warnings, etc.  So I'd like to hear an actual doctor's take such as yourself.  When I talked to my doctor and my chiropractor about it, they didn't seem too concerned.  But then again, they may not have been very informed.

Do you think it was an accident that it doesn't go into effect until 2013?  After Obama's last bid for the presidency is over?  Please!  If it's so great and so urgent why enact it 4 years later? 

[musclehead]

You guys are in for some real surprises if this thing stays in its current form.  Nobody is complaining, yet.  It hasn't affected you personally, yet.  Rest assured it is about to!  And you are not gonna like what happens.

Such as...?  I hear alot of "the sky is falling" type of warnings, etc.  So I'd like to hear an actual doctor's take such as yourself.  When I talked to my doctor and my chiropractor about it, they didn't seem too concerned.  But then again, they may not have been very informed.

how about it's the biggest tax increase the country has ever seen?
this IS and WILL continue to ba a huge drag on the economy!

[musclehead]

You guys are in for some real surprises if this thing stays in its current form.  Nobody is complaining, yet.  It hasn't affected you personally, yet.  Rest assured it is about to!  And you are not gonna like what happens.

Such as...?  I hear alot of "the sky is falling" type of warnings, etc.  So I'd like to hear an actual doctor's take such as yourself.  When I talked to my doctor and my chiropractor about it, they didn't seem too concerned.  But then again, they may not have been very informed.

Do you think it was an accident that it doesn't go into effect until 2013?  After Obama's last bid for the presidency is over?  Please!  If it's so great and so urgent why enact it 4 years later? 

true, however the TAXES are being frontloaded NOW.
which is why the Bush tax cuts haven't created any jobs, Obamacare is a taxing nightmare.

[Steve K (IA)]

You guys are in for some real surprises if this thing stays in its current form.  Nobody is complaining, yet.  It hasn't affected you personally, yet.  Rest assured it is about to!  And you are not gonna like what happens.

Such as...?  I hear alot of "the sky is falling" type of warnings, etc.  So I'd like to hear an actual doctor's take such as yourself.  When I talked to my doctor and my chiropractor about it, they didn't seem too concerned.  But then again, they may not have been very informed.

how about it's the biggest tax increase the country has ever seen?
this IS and WILL continue to ba a huge drag on the economy!

Ok, tell us how much you are going to be taxed?

[f6john]

You guys are in for some real surprises if this thing stays in its current form.  Nobody is complaining, yet.  It hasn't affected you personally, yet.  Rest assured it is about to!  And you are not gonna like what happens.

Such as...?  I hear alot of "the sky is falling" type of warnings, etc.  So I'd like to hear an actual doctor's take such as yourself.  When I talked to my doctor and my chiropractor about it, they didn't seem too concerned.  But then again, they may not have been very informed.

how about it's the biggest tax increase the country has ever seen?
this IS and WILL continue to ba a huge drag on the economy!

Ok, tell us how much you are going to be taxed?

     Steve, I think you have uncovered the problem, nobody knows. How can you expand  or start a new business in a climate like this? I've been self employed for over 20 years and would like to add some people to take over some of the workload. Instead, I'm having to seriously consider hanging it up and try to find a job to make ends meet until this madness is over.

[J.Mencalice]

Been working in clinical health care as a laboratory scientist for 39 years now; I wouldn't give you spit for about 25% of the sawbones out there.  There are incompetent doctors and I wouldn't let them treat my monkey.

I believe that if you looked at their diplomas, some of them would read: IDI AMIN SCHOOL OF MEDICINE, UGANDA.

Like I always say: "They're still makin'em; problem is that they're not makin'em any smarter."

And I have a great buddy who's complaining that he'll have to take a PAY CUT from $500,000 a year to $250,000 a year when he goes part-time as an anesthesiologist.
I love the guy, but he's about to piss me off.

[tank_post142]

Medicaid reimbursement schedule:

2005 reimbursement for one oxycodone  30Mg = $3.56  cost = $0.39
2011 reimbursement for one oxycodone  30Mg = $0.34  cost = $0.41

[GJS]

In Canada when Medicare came in there were some Doctors who went on strike.
Didn't last long and that was decades ago.

In Canada, ALL citizens are get health care.
Sure we have areas for improvement, but none ever goes bankrupt over emergency surgery.

We get to pick our doctors.

The sky has not fallen. We spend less on health care (as a percentage of GDP) than the US, but cover all of our people, all of the time.  Not 85-90% some of the time.
We don't have deductibles on things like childbirth.
No one is ever refused treatment because of a pre-existing condition. Ever.

The maim failing of our system in my mind is that it is reactive, not pro-active.
Our system is great in a crisis, but does little to head off the crisis.
Like the US, Canada has an obesity epidemic that is going to hit hard as the boomers continue to age.

As a proud Canadian I really hope the US can follow through and make Medicare happen. It is better than letting insurance companies cherry pick and decide who they will cover and who gets to die poor, sick and neglected.

With the genetic testing available now, insurance companies will be able to screen high risk clients out of the picture. A Medicare system mandates a level playing field for all insurance companies.

Good luck.

ps. Where would the doctors go anyway? The US has the highest paid doctors in the world.

[steve 3054]

Not being ugly but...here in the Orlando area during the winter months we can barley get into a hospital or doctors office for all the Canadians there...I have spoken to a few and they are not as happy with your system as you are...they come here because its takes months to get into  a doctor's office in your country ....just sayin

p.s. I have no problem charging obese people more or refusing to keep giving them surgeries when they continue to eat...why should everyone else pay because someone can not push away from the table...
Case in point...a friend of mine died in March...knew him for 20 years...every year his doctor told him to loose weight...every year he ate more...after 17 angioplasties he died on the operating tabled having the 18th...they brought him back.  A year later he finally ate himself to death...just sayin

by the way medicare paid for all of these because he lost his job due to having a heart attack...so WE paid for all of them...

[steve 3054]

Tale Of Two Doctors

Two patients limp into two different medical clinics with the same
complaint. Both have trouble walking and appear to require hip
surgery.


The FIRST patient is examined within the hour, is x-rayed the same day
and has a time booked for surgery the following week.

The SECOND sees his family doctor after waiting 3 weeks for an
appointment, then waits 8 weeks to see a specialist, then gets an
x-ray, which isn't reviewed for another week and finally has his
surgery scheduled for 6 months from then pending the review boards
decision on his age and remaining value to society.

Why the different treatment for the two patients?

The FIRST is a Golden Retriever taken to a vet. The SECOND is a Senior
Citizen on ObamaCare...

Come November, we all may have to find a good vet.

[Varmintmist]

In Canada when Medicare came in there were some Doctors who went on strike.
Didn't last long and that was decades ago.

In Canada, ALL citizens are get health care.
Sure we have areas for improvement, but none ever goes bankrupt over emergency surgery.

We get to pick our doctors.

The sky has not fallen. We spend less on health care (as a percentage of GDP) than the US, but cover all of our people, all of the time.  Not 85-90% some of the time.

http://www.fraserinstitute.org/research-news/display.aspx?id=18433

Can't wait till this is all ours...
FYI, Canada is one of the least productive industrialised countrys, already. http://business.financialpost.com/2012/06/20/sick-healthcare-system-made-canadians-lose-more-than-3-billion-in-economic-activity-in-2011-fraser-institute/

Just a question, where are you guys going to go when you can't wait any longer once we have the same garbage you do?

[G-Man]

Been working in clinical health care as a laboratory scientist for 39 years now; I wouldn't give you spit for about 25% of the sawbones out there.  There are incompetent doctors and I wouldn't let them treat my monkey.

I believe that if you looked at their diplomas, some of them would read: IDI AMIN SCHOOL OF MEDICINE, UGANDA.

Like I always say: "They're still makin'em; problem is that they're not makin'em any smarter."

And I have a great buddy who's complaining that he'll have to take a PAY CUT from $500,000 a year to $250,000 a year when he goes part-time as an anesthesiologist.
I love the guy, but he's about to piss me off.

And you will be seeing Dr. Patel and Dr. Wong and Dr Amin more and more as the cost of a US education and medical education continues to skyrocket as it has.  How many folks begin their career with hundreds of thousands in the hole, before the cost of doing business kicks in (malpractice insurance, rent, electric, staff, phones, etc.)??The Drs. above get their medical education paid for by their home countries.  They then come here for their post graduate training (internship and residency) with the anticipation of ging back to their country to practice.  9 out of 10 don't go back.  They come here to learn at our wonderful and advance medical facitities because this is where the best medicine in the world is practiced and developed, and then say F.U. to their countries that paid for them to become Drs.

This is 100% true.  I have spoken to dozens of residents during my tenure at St. Barnabas and NY Hospital.

And, with regards to your friend having his income cut in half........could you do it?  Could you take a 50% cut?  Why are you counting his money anyway?  Maybe he's helping his brother out (like I have to), or his elderly parents.  Maybe he gives more to charity than you.  Maybe he's invested a lot more time and money into his education and profession than you ever will.  Maybe he's treating more people for free than ever before due to lack of re-imbursement.  Maybe he has to hire a medical biller to do his billing for him because it has become a full tme job JUST TO GET PAID and keep up with the games that the insurance companies and Medicare play.  And he pisses you off?

[G-Man]

In Canada when Medicare came in there were some Doctors who went on strike.
Didn't last long and that was decades ago.

In Canada, ALL citizens are get health care.
Sure we have areas for improvement, but none ever goes bankrupt over emergency surgery.

We get to pick our doctors.

The sky has not fallen. We spend less on health care (as a percentage of GDP) than the US, but cover all of our people, all of the time.  Not 85-90% some of the time.
We don't have deductibles on things like childbirth.
No one is ever refused treatment because of a pre-existing condition. Ever.

The maim failing of our system in my mind is that it is reactive, not pro-active.
Our system is great in a crisis, but does little to head off the crisis.
Like the US, Canada has an obesity epidemic that is going to hit hard as the boomers continue to age.

As a proud Canadian I really hope the US can follow through and make Medicare happen. It is better than letting insurance companies cherry pick and decide who they will cover and who gets to die poor, sick and neglected.

With the genetic testing available now, insurance companies will be able to screen high risk clients out of the picture. A Medicare system mandates a level playing field for all insurance companies.

Good luck.

ps. Where would the doctors go anyway? The US has the highest paid doctors in the world.

And yet Canadians with money come to the US for care.  Go figure.

(I've treated them)

[Serk]

Two random first hand observations that don't prove anything but are true first hand experiences:

First Observation:
My doctor hung up his stethoscope over Obamacare. He has a day job (Doctor for a prison) and ran his practice because he cared and wanted to help more people. GREAT doctor, and I've had a hard time replacing him. As he put it, dealing with insurance companies was bad enough, but dealing with insurance companies AND the government was too much, he was out.

Second Observation:
One year ago we had cause to spend a LOT of time in a hospital (Birth of premature triplets, spent about a month in the NICU.) I noticed a LOT of the nurses had British or Canadian accents, so I started asking them about it. To a person they all said they were fleeing the health care systems in their home countries. These are people who picked up their lives, left their families, their friends, their hometowns, packed it all up to move to another part of the world to get away from trying to work in a rationed health care system. And yes, they were all horrified that after going through all that to get away from that style of system, that we appear to be making the same mistakes that their home countries had made.

[3fan4life]

There are hundreds of reasons why Obamacare is a BAD idea.

ONE that I NEVER hear anyone mention is this:


Our government is constantly telling us that Medicare is going broke.

They tell us that FRAUD is rampant with both Medicare and Medicaid and as a result BILLIONS of tax dollars are wasted every year.


AND YET THESE SAME POLITICIANS, RUNNING THE SAME GOVERNMENT, WANTS US TO BELIEVE THAT THEY CAN RUN A PROGRAM THAT IS 100's OF TIMES LARGER.    


COME ON.................

YOU DON'T MAKE A GUY THE CEO OF WALMART WHEN HE CAN'T EVEN MANAGE THE CORNER QUICKIE MART !!!!                

[oZ]

I've worked for a hospital system for 37 years. I'm seeing first hand the damage Obamacare is doing and the majority of this bill is not effect yet.

I've watched the care in our hospitals suffer due to cutbacks in staff.

We in administration refer to the democrats taking over healthcare as the big Horror Show!

You may know I've written tons of stuff about our declining healthcare, and I thought to just stop posting on this message board about that subject.

But I am amazed and hopeful that so many of you "get it".  Please get out there and vote!

The following is just my opinion and not necessarily that of the management (O:

I dislike Romney a lot, he is full of s&^t, and will probably screw us if he becomes the POTUS, that said, I hope he stays with his hyperbole and at least keeps his promise to derail the Affordable Care Act, known as Obamacare!

[f6john]

     How many non-Canadian people are crossing into their country looking for free health care, free education for their children, food assistance, ect. ?

[oZ]

     How many non-Canadian people are crossing into their country looking for free health care, free education for their children, food assistance, ect. ?

Huh?

[f6john]

     How many non-Canadian people are crossing into their country looking for free health care, free education for their children, food assistance, ect. ?

Huh?

    Are the Canadians having to pay for their "universal health care" and for anyone and everyone else that wants to cross their borders and basically sign up. We are drowning in illegal aliens.

[G-Man]

There are hundreds of reasons why Obamacare is a BAD idea.

ONE that I NEVER hear anyone mention is this:


Our government is constantly telling us that Medicare is going broke.

They tell us that FRAUD is rampant with both Medicare and Medicaid and as a result BILLIONS of tax dollars are wasted every year.


AND YET THESE SAME POLITICIANS, RUNNING THE SAME GOVERNMENT, WANTS US TO BELIEVE THAT THEY CAN RUN A PROGRAM THAT IS 100's OF TIMES LARGER.    


COME ON.................

YOU DON'T MAKE A GUY THE CEO OF WALMART WHEN HE CAN'T EVEN MANAGE THE CORNER QUICKIE MART !!!!                

Holy Chit!  Common Sense?  You're using common sense in a discussion about politics.  What's wrong with you man?

[LandElephant]

To answer the first question: It's hard to give specifics because they are "Still writing the rules".  The law has left it to the Presidents selected policymakers to write the rules (I believe in section 13 of the law).

Secondly, take the Medicaid section.  This section that encourages states to expand Medicaid sound like a drug pusher.  Encourage the states to increase the Medicaid in there state because the Feds are going to give them the funds for 3 years.  Drug pusher says "try this drug it's good for you and I give this much to enjoy the taste"' Then after 3 years the feds will reduce the amount by 10% for seven years.  The drug pusher says" you like this huh.  I'll give it to you for a reduced rate".

Then after ten years the states have to pick up the entire cost of the expanded Medicaid.  Drug pusher says "now that you're hook get you ass out there and pay for the stuff that you crave ".

Sounds great up front, but in the long run as the population increases the cost increases and the states are stuck trying to pay for the expanded Medicaid. Where is the borrowed money going to come from.  Taxing the rich?

Look at our enconomy after the great stimulus package.  Got everybody hooked and now we are struggling to stay a float.

I am a corporation of 1.  I have a great opportunity to expand my business to 2.  I will exceed the $250,000 income that Mr Obama says doesn't pay enough taxes.  I have turned down that opportunity because I will not support a policy that screws me for being successful.  I pay more that my fair share of taxes.

Charlie Morse
Land Elephant

[Paxton]

My fairly young-retiring-doctor tells me, "I love the fact that I became a doctor," just like his father before him.

So why retiring, I asked. ???

His reply: "I hate working with patients..!"

[G-Man]

My fairly young-retiring-doctor tells me, "I love the fact that I became a doctor," just like his father before him.

So why retiring, I asked. ???

His reply: "I hate working with patients..!"

Great post,...thanks for sharing!