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Started by BF, Wed 05, Sep 2012, 12:38:22

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Seems the Demoncrats  :evil: (yeah, I spelled it that way) have an eversion to the word God and have removed God from their party's official platform.  

They also seem to have problems accepting that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel and have also removed the word Jerusalem from their platform as well.  

From ABC News.....

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/09/democrats-shift-language-on-israel-remove-god-given-from-platform/


CHARLOTTE — For Democrats, there is no God in 2012 — at least as far as the party's platform is concerned.

Nor is there a Jerusalem.

Democrats removed those two words, and the passages surrounding them, from the 2012 party platform as it was released this week.

In Charlotte on Monday, the Democratic National Committee released its 2012 party platform after the DNC Platform Committee approved it under the leadership of Newark, N.J., Mayor Cory Booker. The Platform Drafting Committee, led by Ohio Gov. Ted Strickland, gathered feedback for an initial draft in Minneapolis over the summer.

Gone are three sentences identifying Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, now and forever. There is no mention of Jerusalem in the 2012 document, after the 2008 version included this mention:


Jerusalem is and will remain the capital of Israel. The parties have agreed that Jerusalem is a matter for final status negotiations. It should remain an undivided city accessible to people of all faiths.

Also gone is this reference to Hamas:


The United States and its Quartet partners should continue to isolate Hamas until it renounces terrorism, recognizes Israel's right to exist, and abides by past agreements.

President Obama has publicly endorsed a two-state solution for Israel. Disagreements between his administration and Israel have at times become public, as the president has opposed new settlement construction, and the Jewish state's more hawkish supporters have relentlessly criticized him for his handling of U.S./Israeli relations.

"The Obama Administration has followed the same policy towards Jerusalem that previous U.S. Administrations of both parties have done since 1967," a DNC spokeswoman said of the change in platform language. "As the White House said several months ago, the status of Jerusalem is an issue that should be resolved in final status negotiations between the Israelis and the Palestinians – which we also said in the 2008 platform. We will continue to work with the parties to resolve this issue as part of a two state solution that secures the future of Israel as a Jewish state and the homeland of the Jewish people."

Also gone is a previous reference to "God."

The Democratic Party's 2008 platform mentioned "God" once, in this passage (emphasis added):


We need a government that stands up for the hopes, values, and interests of working people, and gives everyone willing to work hard the chance to make the most of their God-given potential.

Explaining the removal, a Democratic official explained: "The 2008 platform reference is 'God-given' and is about growing the middle class and making America fair, not actually about faith. The platform includes an entire plank on the importance of faith based organizations and the tremendous work that they do. Further, the language we use to talk about faith and religion is exactly the same vocabulary as 2008. I would also note that the platform mentions: 'faith' 11 times; 'religion' or 'religious' 9 times; 'church' 2 times (one is a quote); and, 'clergy' 1 time."
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Barry Goldwater the father of the conservative movement:
  "The religious factions will go on imposing their will on others," { he said,} "unless the decent people connected to them recognize that religion has no place in public policy.  They must learn to make their views known without trying to make their views the only alternatives. . .  We have succeeded for 205 years in keeping the affairs of state separate from the uncompromising idealism of religious groups and we mustn't stop now" { he insisted}.  "To retreat from that separation would violate the principles of conservatism and the values upon which the framers built this democratic republic."
from CHURCH & STATE July / August 1998
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Quote from: tank_post142 on Wed 05, Sep 2012, 13:00:10
Barry Goldwater the father of the conservative movement:
  "The religious factions will go on imposing their will on others," { he said,} "unless the decent people connected to them recognize that religion has no place in public policy.  They must learn to make their views known without trying to make their views the only alternatives. . .  We have succeeded for 205 years in keeping the affairs of state separate from the uncompromising idealism of religious groups and we mustn't stop now" { he insisted}.  "To retreat from that separation would violate the principles of conservatism and the values upon which the framers built this democratic republic."
from CHURCH & STATE July / August 1998

EXACTLY! Religion has no place in public policy.  But God belongs right smack in the middle of every decision we make.  Trusting God does not equal following a religion.  Get religion out of politics but keep God in the center of all we do!

BigAl

Like Alph says promote world peace ban all religions,,,,,,,,,But Jesus well he is not a religion, He was a Man

and now is my savior.

No religion can give you that.

Happiness now.

Jesus is not a religion.

I follow that man.

f6john

   Even God had a position on this, Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's, and unto God that which is Gods.

   If the democrats want to rewrite history and ignore God they will win some elections but will pay a heavy price sooner or later.


   All the writings ever found, whether you believe in them or not, have shown that Jesus in the earthly form of man never wanted to be an earthly King. People have a very difficult time separating religion from Faith and Christianity. God is not the author of confusion. we handle that all by ourselves.

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Jess from VA

Quote from: Crazyhorse on Wed 05, Sep 2012, 14:13:36


"Our Constitution was made only for a Moral and Religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the goverment of any other."
John Adams 10/11/1798

And that is exactly why the DEMA-SOCIALISTS are working hard to ignore and abrogate every part of the Constitution that doesn't suit them.

donaldcc

Quote from: BF on Wed 05, Sep 2012, 12:38:22
Seems the Demoncrats  :evil: (yeah, I spelled it that way) have an eversion to the word God and have removed God from their party's official platform.  . . .

and . . . if you are concentrating on your spelling, try aversion instead.
Don

BF

Quote from: donaldcc on Wed 05, Sep 2012, 14:58:03
Quote from: BF on Wed 05, Sep 2012, 12:38:22
Seems the Demoncrats  :evil: (yeah, I spelled it that way) have an eversion to the word God and have removed God from their party's official platform.  . . .

and . . . if you are concentrating on your spelling, try aversion instead.

No, I'm not concentrating on my spelling, nor am I concerned about it.  I'm concentrating on why the Democrats feel the need to erase God from their platform and ignore that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel.  Sounds more like a muslim platform than a democratic one. 

I'm concenetrating on why the Democrats have chosen to invite Islamic "Jumah" prayers for two hours on the Friday of its convention, and at the same time, have denied a Catholic cardinal's request to say a prayer there.  It would seem that the democrats have disavowed God, but have embraced the muslim's Allah. 

These, and a whole host of other alarming and disturbing things about the progressive/liberal/socialist democrats are what I'm concenetrating on.  But apparently my spelling is more important to you than these other things.   
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BigAl

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Quote from: Crazyhorse on Wed 05, Sep 2012, 14:13:36


"Our Constitution was made only for a Moral and Religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the goverment of any other."
John Adams 10/11/1798


Truer words were never spoken.

Morality can be practiced without Religion.

Religion can be practiced without morality.

But a Believer or one who has faith, can do both at once.

Novavalker

They just added God and Jerusalem back into their platform. ;D
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Quote from: BF on Wed 05, Sep 2012, 15:50:27
. . . .
These, and a whole host of other alarming and disturbing things about the progressive/liberal/socialist democrats are what I'm concenetrating on.  But apparently my spelling is more important to you than these other things.   

 does that mean you won't be voting democrat?  :o

 and if i made a list of things important to me, your spelling wouldn't even make it to the bottom of the list.
Don

mike4sho

Seems like there are bigger issues going on right now than whether or not the democrats use the word God....

Not sure why every election has to be about religion or God. 
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BF

Quote from: donaldcc on Wed 05, Sep 2012, 16:24:41
Quote from: BF on Wed 05, Sep 2012, 15:50:27
. . . .
These, and a whole host of other alarming and disturbing things about the progressive/liberal/socialist democrats are what I'm concenetrating on.  But apparently my spelling is more important to you than these other things.   

 does that mean you won't be voting democrat?  :o

 and if i made a list of things important to me, your spelling wouldn't even make it to the bottom of the list.

So you're just the spelling police then.....not that you care.....just that you like to point it out. 
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Serk

Hehehe... I actually liked the idea of removing religion from the platform, one of the few things they've done that I agree with...

And looks like they changed it using very questionable methods:

Amidst Boos And Multiple Votes, DNC Reverses Position And Reinstates Jerusalem
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Quote from: Serk on Wed 05, Sep 2012, 17:29:04
Hehehe... I actually liked the idea of removing religion from the platform, one of the few things they've done that I agree with...

And looks like they changed it using very questionable methods:

Amidst Boos And Multiple Votes, DNC Reverses Position And Reinstates Jerusalem

Not questionable at all....Obama does what he wants, when he wants by any means he needs to..........screw the facts or the vote, its only a question of, does he have the power to do it.  As long as no one challenges his power he will continue to disregard votes, disregard the Constitution and disregard the will of the people.

If the election depended on how many people voted for him last time vs McCain.......he wudda lost his shorts.....the will of the people is not in line with his socialistic agenda, yet he marches on pretending he is making everyone happy.  The only ones he is pleasing are the ones that dont want to work, dont want to pay taxes and still want free $$ from uncle barack....(and illegal aliens) sadly those two groups are fast growing and could be his most important constituants.......therefore justifying his platform

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Quote from: Novavalker on Wed 05, Sep 2012, 16:18:11
They just added God and Jerusalem back into their platform. ;D

Well that is just dandy and after thought.

BigAl

Quote from: Serk on Wed 05, Sep 2012, 17:29:04
Hehehe... I actually liked the idea of removing religion from the platform, one of the few things they've done that I agree with...

And looks like they changed it using very questionable methods:

Amidst Boos And Multiple Votes, DNC Reverses Position And Reinstates Jerusalem

God is so impressed by this move.

Universe created.

World formed.

Man Created.

Magnifies his God.

What a let down for God.

Jerusalem recognised.


He is not impressed. NOT MY OPINION

f6john

     That is a very revealing video. I did not know that there was that much dissension with-in the ranks! The ARAB -American Democrat signs were new to me too.

BigAl


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BF

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Quote from: mike4sho on Wed 05, Sep 2012, 16:35:39
Seems like there are bigger issues going on right now than whether or not the democrats use the word God....

Not sure why every election has to be about religion or God.  

It's NOT about religion.  It's not even about God.  It's about the true direction of the democratic party and their vision for America.  

It's about the people that are in attendance at the DNC and who run and control the DNC and their move away from everything this country has been about for the last 200 years.  

It's about the democrats not wanting to recognize Israel.  Think for a moment what other groups of people on this planet who takes issue with Israel and what kind of people they are and how those people truely feel about us, this country, our way of life.  

The Dems have reversed their position....under pressure.  Serk posted the video.  Take a look at who is voting nay (to EXCLUDE Jerusalem) and read the sign the woman is holding  next to the guy standing up waving his arms.  These are the people that want to "change" this country into something it's not.  These are the people that want to "fundamentally change" America.....the same people that denied a Catholic priest from saying a prayer, but invited and embraced a Muslim organization to hold a two-hour prayer service.  These are the members of the democratic party.  



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http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Miscellaneous/faith_and_freedom.htm

obummer and most of the demoncrates are marxist and enbrace the rules of communism

Everything that Communism represents and seeks to accomplish, hinges upon the belief that there is no God. And conversely, everything that faith in God encompasses excludes Communism in all its forms. Faith in God and Communism are diametrically opposed to each other, and there can be no harmony. This is why Communists today, and Communist sympathizers, are relentlessly trying to strip away every seed of faith in God from our children's daily lives. Communists hate Christianity with a passion, because it is their biggest enemy. 

If a society is to remain free, then faith in God must be preserved, for faith in God promotes morality, and morality maintains freedom. Where Communism reigns, God is abandoned, morality is non-existent, and genuine freedom soon becomes a memory of the past. It is for this very reason that faith in God is essential for a society to remain free. If we understand this fact, then we must eagerly embrace faith in God in our society. Tragically, God and the Bible have been removed from the American public school system. The consequences have been devastating. Teachers are forbidden from promoting or teaching the Word of God in class.

Karl Marx is considered the father of modern Communism. The 10th plank of Marx's Communist Manifesto called for a public school system. Marx's 5th plank called for a Federal Reserve Bank. Few American's realize that our nation has been becoming Communist right under our noses. This is what sin does to a nation, i.e., it causes a society to stop caring, which paves the way for tyranny and Communist takeover by thugs, criminals, thieves, murderers, and liars. Communism is diametrically opposed to faith in God and freedom. In Communism people fear the government, and the government becomes supreme in authority, controlling every aspect of men's lives by grabbing up all their properties, depriving men of the fruits of their diligent labors.

If you'll study history, you'll quickly learn that freedom has always been synonymous with faith in God; and in sharp contrast, Communism has always been synonymous with atheists, agnostics and evolutionists. It comes as no surprise that Charles Darwin (1809-1882), author of The Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection in 1859, was an agnostic (i.e., he wasn't sure what to believe). Darwin actual went to seminary to become a Christian minister, having spent many years in the apostate Church of England, but later became critical of the Bible and Christianity altogether because he couldn't figure it out. Darwin's lack of genuine faith in the Word of God led to his eternal doom.

The U.S. Constitution was born out of a desperate desire to ESCAPE government abuse, tyranny and oppression. It was the desire for FREEDOM from oppression that formed the foundation of the U.S. Constitution. It was the threat of Communism—a vile and sinister form of thinking that strips away all morality, faith in God, family values, and Christian teachings—which led to the phrase "UNDER GOD" being added to our nation's pledge. One nation under God!

Few parents of public school children realize that one of the primary engineers of today's Godless public school philosophy was a God-hating, family-hating, immoral, communist ... George Brock Chisholm! Dr. Brock Chisholm, the first head of the World Health Organization (WHO), laid the blame for war and human conflict squarely at the feet of parents and Sunday schools teachers who—from the beginning—fed their children the "poisonous certainties" of the Bible...

"To achieve world government, it is necessary to remove from the minds of men their individualism, loyalty to family tradition, national patriotism, and religious dogmas."

SOURCE: George Brock Chisholm; from a Speech given at the Conference on Education, Asilomar, California, September 11, 1954

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because we have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.

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Robert

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CA that is a plain and well laid out explanation of the real issue. Its not about Christians putting God more in government but more about not taking away the freedoms and rights that have been put in government. This is being done by plan and it is by those who don't want to have God in the goverment because they want their own agenda.
Agenda 21 is a two-decade old, grand plan for global 'Sustainable Development,' brought to you from the United Nations. George H.W. Bush (and 177 other world leaders) agreed to it back in 1992, and in 1995, Bill Clinton signed Executive Order #12858, creating a Presidential Council on 'Sustainable Development.' This effectively pushed the UN plan into America's large, churning government machine without the need for any review or discussion by Congress or the American people.
 
We see executive orders being issued to a alarming rate this also is what George Washington in his farwell address warned us about. The second paragraph is how he viewed religion and government.
   
It is important, likewise, that the habits of thinking in a free country should inspire caution in those entrusted with its administration, to confine themselves within their respective constitutional spheres, avoiding in the exercise of the powers of one department to encroach upon another. The spirit of encroachment tends to consolidate the powers of all the departments in one, and thus to create, whatever the form of government, a real despotism. A just estimate of that love of power, and proneness to abuse it, which predominates in the human heart, is sufficient to satisfy us of the truth of this position. The necessity of reciprocal checks in the exercise of political power, by dividing and distributing it into different depositaries, and constituting each the guardian of the public weal against invasions by the others, has been evinced by experiments ancient and modern; some of them in our country and under our own eyes. To preserve them must be as necessary as to institute them. If, in the opinion of the people, the distribution or modification of the constitutional powers be in any particular wrong, let it be corrected by an amendment in the way which the Constitution designates. But let there be no change by usurpation; for though this, in one instance, may be the instrument of good, it is the customary weapon by which free governments are destroyed. The precedent must always greatly overbalance in permanent evil any partial or transient benefit, which the use can at any time yield.
We see executive orders being issued to a alarming rate this also is what George Washington in his farwell address warned us about. The second paragraph is how he viewed religion and government.

Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. The mere politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connections with private and public felicity. Let it simply be asked: Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths which are the instruments of investigation in courts of justice ? And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.

The Democrat Socialists of America (DSAUSA) has released a list of 70 congressional representatives who belong to the pseudo-communist group – and, perhaps not so surprisingly, they are all Democrats.

The group, originally named the Socialist Party of America until it was renamed in 1972, originally posted in the Party's 2009 newsletter, openly brags that of the 70 Representatives who are members, 11 sit on the House Judiciary Committee, two hold Co-Chair positions, and four have Vice-Chair positions.
Independent Bernie Saunders, an open Socialist, is the only U.S. Senator among the Party's ranks.

Here is the complete list of the Representatives from 111th Congress who are members of the Democrat Socialists of America:
http://www.therightperspective.org/2012/04/01/socialists-in-congress-revealed/

  What makes things confusing is that these organizations pull together on certain issues to spearhead their own agenda. The gays have paired with the socialists that is how the gay agenda was formed. Planed parent hood is a socialist organization that at its roots has birth control and the control of population through birth control and birth regulation at the top of the agenda and has many sources of financing now. ACLU  and atheists which a judge has now ruled as a religous group has paired to spearhead many issues. Soros is financing many of these groups and if you start to look at these groups where the financing is coming from and their ideals you see a disturbing pattern.
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lol.....just look at his eye balls.....(up and to the left) just like a liar.  Watch closely at his mouth right when hes done.........like he almost busted out laughing because his lie was so outrageous.

The progressives are like the Arabs.  Its ok to lie to the enemy, in fact its encouraged.