Terrorists Sponsor Embassy Attacks in Libya and Egypt -- Modified Heading

[donaldcc]

  Sometimes freedom of religion goes too far in the US???  This a-hole has been around for a while stimulating hate and unrest.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/12/world/middleeast/anger-over-film-fuels-anti-american-attacks-in-libya-and-egypt.html

 And I went to college there.  Sad.

[Serk]

Granted, this preacher is a flaming idiot, but...

When someone says one group of people are irrational and violent, and they get irrational and violent, the violence is the fault of the person who said they're irrational and violent?

As I said, yes this idiot is just being stupid, but he's not the one getting violent. We should NEVER blame our most cherished freedoms as the reason for someone else being violent.

[donaldcc]

  I like to think i am a very strong defender of our "freedoms" but this guy reminds me of Westboro Baptist Church and they push those freedoms to the limit.

  and i agree Serk, the a-hole preacher does not bear all responsibility for the violent islam response.

[Serk]

Yep, the Westboro nut jobs are also vile evil people with vile things to say, but even if the targets of their venom started blowing up buildings and murdering people in retaliation for what they say, it would not be the Westboro folks fault for the violence. The violence would be completely the fault of the people who carried out the violence, and no one else.

In regards to restricting things like freedom of speech, be very VERY careful what you ask for.

...you just might get it.

And IMHO freedom of speech includes unpopular speech, otherwise there is no freedom of speech at all.

[donaldcc]

 
well said.

[Skinhead]

I think a little demonstration of our own is in order.  2 or 3 tomahawks should do nicely.

[bscrive]

These people that attacked your embassies just wanted any reason to riot.  These people will never be happy.  Even if they took over the whole planet they would then fight among themselves until they were all dead.  Pretty sad culture.

[f6john]

    My understanding is that the attacks were in reaction to a film trailer on Youtube that was made by a Jewish film-maker. The trailer has been on Youtube for some time but had recently had arabic subtitles added that caught the attention of the middle east residents. While I'm sure Rev Jones supports the film, I don't think he deserves the blame for the unrest. The film maker has been in hiding himself which shows the value of free speech in different parts of the world.

[gwise]

This blooming idiot lives 300 yards behind me in Gainesville. His church is a disgrace to any religion. He has dummies hanging by a noose for all children to view. I believe everyone has a right to speech, but when you make a spectacle of yourself, that is a little too far. It seems to me, he is trouble maker. I'm hoping if someone decides to take him down, he won't be at his church/home. Btw.... he rides a Harley.Lol. Just sayin.
   Gregg

[Chrisj CMA]

Romney showed some guts he has already (and rightly so) publicly criticized Obama for just about apologizing for the video that supposedly sparked the violence. 

Romney might be a Presidential candidate and saying what he said might hurt him politically, but he is an American first and NONE of us (I dont think) feel like we should be sorry that we have freedoms here that may sometimes piss others off.........thats no reason to kill innocent people, and its certainly no reason to continue Obama's apologies!

[Master Blaster]

Our Imbassys under attact and an Ambassador being killed is nothing less than an act of war against the USA.   PresBOs Islam loving policys have led to this.  We are percieved to being weak and ineffective by the Muslem world and they think this is their opportunity to bring us down.   The movie was just an excuse to do what they have been planning for a long time.   The date they carried out this travisty is significant to mark the anniversity for their greatest triumph aganst us.  It is telling that we are not at war with them, but they are in an unrelenting war against us.   Bengazi attact was carried out by militants, Cairo was by run of the mill Muslims.   The Dems welcomed the run of the mill God hating Muslims with open arms and shaped their whole platform around their twisted logic.   We must take back our country and instill some sanity into our government or we are lost.   The time for apologies to our enemies is over, its time to show some steel and backbone.  Time to do away with political correctiness and stand up for what is sensable ane right.

[Trynt]

 Sometimes freedom of religion goes too far in the US???  This a-hole has been around for a while stimulating hate and unrest.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/12/world/middleeast/anger-over-film-fuels-anti-american-attacks-in-libya-and-egypt.html

 And I went to college there.  Sad.

I don't agree with the video.  But you seem to be making excuses justifying the murderous attack. In essence blaming the victim. It took very little to stimulate "hate and unrest" in these peace loving Muslims.

[Jack]

I doubt it had as much to do with the movie as it did 9/11.

[Xtracho]

No one needed to "fuel" any unrest among these fanatics and any defense of this wacko in Gainesville will not wash with me either. However, he does serves one purpose. His purpose is to give reason to those that would brand all that follow God as equally fanatic and looney tunes as he and his congregation. He's already been blamed wholesale in the media for the violence and attacks; true or not. I refuse the wholesale condemnation of any religion because of a group of fanatics that claim to be followers.

[bigguy]

Granted, this preacher is a flaming idiot, but...

When someone says one group of people are irrational and violent, and they get irrational and violent, the violence is the fault of the person who said they're irrational and violent?

As I said, yes this idiot is just being stupid, but he's not the one getting violent. We should NEVER blame our most cherished freedoms as the reason for someone else being violent.

       

[Valker]

The objective of every terrorist is simply terror, not change.

[Fritz The Cat]

Sad sad world we live in. 

[donaldcc]

I don't agree with the video.  But you seem to be making excuses justifying the murderous attack. In essence blaming the victim. It took very little to stimulate "hate and unrest" in these peace loving Muslims.

  There is NO justification for these attacks and the perpetrators should be dealt with in the MOST SEVERE way.  There are NO excuses for their actions, despite what some Gainesville preacher/troublemaker might say or do. 

[G-Man]

The Dems welcomed the run of the mill God hating Muslims with open arms and shaped their whole platform around their twisted logic.  

So you caught that disgusting display of the guy yelling and waving his arms in the negative during the 50 - 50 , er, I mean, 2/3 vote to amend the Democratic platform, standing next to the woman holding the sign that said Arab American nodding and agreeing with the negative vote.

[Six Guns]

The Dems welcomed the run of the mill God hating Muslims with open arms and shaped their whole platform around their twisted logic.  

So you caught that disgusting display of the guy yelling and waving his arms in the negative during the 50 - 50 , er, I mean, 2/3 vote to amend the Democratic platform, standing next to the woman holding the sign that said Arab American nodding and agreeing with the negative vote.

Yep, I noticed that myself. I can't wait for Nov. to vote the Pres. out. I hope that everyone on this board that complains about about the direction this country is going, votes in Nov.. There is NO excuse for YOU not to vote. I WILL VOTE, WILL YOU?     

[R J]

Yes sir, I will vote & so will 10 of my immediate family members vote also.

Only 2 of the grandkids are old enough to  vote and they live in Alaska, so I don't know their thoughts or feelings.   I know their mom & dad will vote as Dad is a Marine Corps vet also.

[BF]

 Sometimes freedom of religion goes too far in the US???  This a-hole has been around for a while stimulating hate and unrest.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/12/world/middleeast/anger-over-film-fuels-anti-american-attacks-in-libya-and-egypt.html

 And I went to college there.  Sad.

This preacher had nothing to do with this.  This was a pre-planned and coordinated attack carried out on 9/11 meant to send a message. 

This "movie trailer" is simply the excuse to carry out more bloodshed from the religion of peace. 

Everyone is ignoring the 800 pound gorilla in the room.....that we're at war with islam and that we have a president in the White House that is sympathetic to their "religion" and a Democratic Party that is being occupied by people that wish Israel to disappear. 

No God, no Jerusalem and Russian war ships at the DNC.  All of this should send one helleva wake up call to the rest of the world the true direction of what that "Forward" message of Obumer's truely is. 

Israel is the only friend and ally we have in the middle east.....and Presbo just snubbed Netanyahu and refused to meet with him. 

Israel is serioiusly concerned with Iran.....and just as soon as Iran has bomb grade material available, they're going to start to hand it off to the crazies around the middle east just as they already do now by supplying them with weapons found all over Iraq, Syria and the rest of the middle east. 

And Presbo is too busy campaigning while Rome is burning.   

[donaldcc]

This preacher had nothing to do with this.  This was a pre-planned and coordinated attack carried out on 9/11 meant to send a message.  

This "movie trailer" is simply the excuse to carry out more bloodshed from the religion of peace.  . . .

 I agree BF.  initial reports seemed to link him to this somehow, but i think he was just jumping on bandwagon and I misinterpreted his involvement.  I changed title of post to reflect this.  seems like ongoing terrorist activity against our great country that must be stopped and punished appropriately.  

[BF]

This preacher had nothing to do with this.  This was a pre-planned and coordinated attack carried out on 9/11 meant to send a message.  

This "movie trailer" is simply the excuse to carry out more bloodshed from the religion of peace.  . . .

 I agree BF.  initial reports seemed to link him to this somehow, but i think he was just jumping on bandwagon and I misinterpreted his involvement.  I changed title of post to reflect this.  seems like ongoing terrorist activity against our great country that must be stopped and punished appropriately.  

I think the liberal media had more to do with linking him to this than he himself did. 

Nonetheless, that "preacher" is a flaming idiot in the same vien as the Westboro morons.  He was quoted in that article, but that a$$hat had nothing to do with the attacts on our embassies. 

You were right to change the title of the thread.   

[alph]

Something stinks in Denmark......

How convenient, a little less than two months before the election, and a now the commander in chief needs to show how "upset" he is with his fellow muslim brothers protesting a movie that happens to turn into a terrorist attack.  Everyone knows that a seating president has a greater chance for reelection if there's a "war" going on..... 

[donaldcc]

Something stinks in Denmark......

How convenient, a little less than two months before the election, and a now the commander in chief needs to show how "upset" he is with his fellow muslim brothers protesting a movie that happens to turn into a terrorist attack.  Everyone knows that a seating president has a greater chance for reelection if there's a "war" going on.....  

 Alph always like your posts and insight.  i am hoping you are not somehow insinuating that POTUS somehow was involved in stimulating these terrorist attacks for political advantage.  I am sure i must be reading your post wrong.

[alph]

Something stinks in Denmark......

How convenient, a little less than two months before the election, and a now the commander in chief needs to show how "upset" he is with his fellow muslim brothers protesting a movie that happens to turn into a terrorist attack.  Everyone knows that a seating president has a greater chance for reelection if there's a "war" going on..... 

  Alf always like your posts and insight.  i am hoping you are not somehow insinuating that POTUS somehow was involved in stimulating these terrorist attacks for political advantage.  I am sure i must be reading your post wrong.

no, i think you read me right.......  i believe it was hilary clinton that said "we need to win at any cost" when her hubby was running.  this is politics, and politicians will be politicians.....

[donaldcc]

  Well i have to disagree VERY strongly with that.  to believe that our president, regardless of your political views, would intentionally construct an event to raid an American Embassy and have an American diplomat and his security assassinated to get more votes seems to me to be irrational paranoid thoughts.  have your meds adjusted.  

[BF]

 Well i have to disagree VERY strongly with that.  to believe that our president, regardless of your political views, would intentionally construct an event to raid an American Embassy and have an American diplomat and his security assasinated to get more votes seems to me to be irrational paranoid thoughts.  have your meds adjusted.  

I don't believe for a minute that Prezbo had anything to do with the attacts, but I DO believe that he'd take full political advantage of them in any and every available way he can.   

[Skinhead]

I think a little demonstration of our own is in order.  2 or 3 tomahawks should do nicely.

[Jeff K]

Not that hard to believe. Clinton had his "Wag the Dog" moment during the Lewinski trial.

[musclehead]

Something stinks in Denmark......

How convenient, a little less than two months before the election, and a now the commander in chief needs to show how "upset" he is with his fellow muslim brothers protesting a movie that happens to turn into a terrorist attack.  Everyone knows that a seating president has a greater chance for reelection if there's a "war" going on..... 

how do we know they took this action at our embassy's because at the DNC they were spiking the football about bin laden?  rememeber Joe? "Osama is dead and General Motors is alive"

[salty1]

Let's get some leadership in this country and cut money flow off to these imbeciles. Why should we borrow money from China and give it to them to kill Americans. I'm absolutely fed up!  God bless those who lost their lives today and may their families have God's peace soon.

[Rams]

   The film maker has been in hiding himself which shows the value of free speech in different parts of the world.

Many of the comments here are right on in my opinion, I also have and will defend free speech but, I also warn those speaking that, their freedom of speech here is not necessarily welcomed everywhere else in the world.

While I don't blame Rev. Jones for his beliefs, nor do I suggest that the film maker doesn't have the right to make that film, I do believe that they know there will be reactions to what they say and do.
Is inciting an action that one knows will result in a certain reactions not something one should be held accountable for?  I'm not suggesting they should be criminalize but, if one of them wakes up dead some morning, will anyone think they shouldn't have expected such a result?

[BF]

  The film maker has been in hiding himself which shows the value of free speech in different parts of the world.

Many of the comments here are right on in my opinion, I also have and will defend free speech but, I also warn those speaking that, their freedom of speech here is not necessarily welcomed everywhere else in the world.

While I don't blame Rev. Jones for his beliefs, nor do I suggest that the film maker doesn't have the right to make that film, I do believe that they know there will be reactions to what they say and do.
Is inciting an action that one knows will result in a certain reactions not something one should be held accountable for?  I'm not suggesting they should be criminalize but, if one of them wakes up dead some morning, will anyone think they shouldn't have expected such a result?

NO.  One should NOT expect that result.  One should expect NORMAL people to refrain from bloodshed......that's what one should expect.  

If the islamists don't like what this film maker guy did, then paint up a picket sign and march outside his office.  You DON'T expect people to turn into blood thirsty barbarians and go around killing everyone that you don't agree with simply because someone drew a cartoon.  

You can't even call these people radical anymore.  This type of behavior is far too typical (and normal for them) to be called radical anymore.  This is simply normal behavior for muslims.  

We ARE at war with a religion.  

[Rams]

NO.  One should NOT expect that result.  One should expect NORMAL people to refrain from bloodshed......that's what one should expect.  

If the islamists don't like what this film maker guy did, then paint up a picket sign and march outside his office.  You DON'T expect people to turn into blood thirsty barbarians and go around killing everyone that you don't agree with simply because someone drew a cartoon.  

You can't even call these people radical anymore.  This type of behavior is far too typical (and normal for them) to be called radical anymore.  This is simply normal behavior for muslims.  

We ARE at war with a religion.  
[/quote]

I disagree, if I knowing walk into the Lion's den, I'm thinking I can expect for the Lion to get upset with my being there and his reaction is something I should be prepared for.  Whether or not this comes to fruition, I have no insight but both individuals have intentionally thrown crap against the wall, I fully expect the folks that take care of that wall to react.  I didn't say I agreed with them or that they are right or, have a right to be what they are, only that they have a know propensity to react in a predictable manner.  I fully expect them to follow that pattern.

Edited:  Our elected leadership should have expected reactions.  If for no other reason than established patterns of trying to make a splash on certain anniversaries or significant dates.

[Jess from VA]

Intel and common sense should dictate extremely heightened security at any US embassy/consulate/facility in the Middle East on or around 9/11, every year.  There should have been multiple belt fed weapons maned and ready with clear orders to fire in place.

But if the libs cannot stomach use of force in adequate numbers/armament, then these facilities should be abandoned.  Politicians can be sacrificial lambs all day, but not embassy Marines.   

[UskCoastie]

 I find it quite ironic that the "Religion of Peace" will kill Christians in Egypt and tell those remaining to leave... , Teach their young to hate Christians and Jews. Then be "offended" by a different view of the world.

Look up what passes for political commentary about and cartoons about those who's religions are not Muslim as reported in the Middle East and elsewhere. If the US population was aware of these thoughts/teachings   of what the "Religion of Peace" "really" thought of us infidels all of the embassies of those countries supporting this "Religion of Peace" would probably be burned to the ground with the staffs in them while the crowds chanted USA, USA.

It is about time to turn some middle east sand into glass starting with our arch enemies Saudi Arabia and Iran who are funding most of the radical Muslim organizations between them.. That is after we discontinue supporting this trash with our tax dollars which have been stolen from our children and grandchildren.

Perhaps later I'll tell you how I really feel.

[Robert]

Most that have written anything against Islam have gone into hiding after it so they have paid a personal price. Next I am really tired of Christians being called bigots in supporting causes like Chick Fil A. I also mind that you have to be politically correct and not wish people merry Christmas. This is all happening while Christians are killed while practicing their beliefs. Yet we do not hear about these things do we? Christians are not out killing people because a pic of Jesus was in the butt crack of some whore. Yet we have arguments of free speech about what?? Why is this even a question or even a story of some terrorist killing people but Muslims following their religion. Truth may be hard to swallow but it is better than dumbing down just to accept the facts. This is the Quran if you follow it or not that is a religious book that preaches violence, it is what is written in its pages. One interesting fact Mohammed was illiterate yet he wrote the Quran?
I guess people instead of being happy for the information that a lie and evil is being pushed on us should be blind to these things. If it hadn't been the Christians enlightening people on what the Quran is all about we would be caught unaware. Muslims told us already that it is a peaceful religion and has and continues to work its way into governments. Most agendas push and change things to accept a idea contrary to good sound beliefs. So while all bring points up here I say we need to hunt these people down and kill them just like we would do any criminal. How would a Christian or any other religious person get treated if they said they killed in the name of their god?? Yup funny farm or death that's it. So when you read these things don't change the standard don't let this go on, know it for what it is, evil and judge and do the same standard that any evil would be judged by. This was a attack on the US Government in protesting Wall Street people were hit, beaten, treated roughly and yet we have people who went into a US embassy and killed people and NOTHING is done. Ok I see justice here what a joke and more so that we even are considering that these dogs shouldn't be treated as such. If we here can argue about the right of free speech when people got killed in another country "our people" how weak and divided we have become. It so sad.

[Master Blaster]

Who does BHO think he is, Nero  Our embassys are burning and he is off campaigning/fundrasing in Vegas.  Guess this crysis isnt big enough to warrant his attention.