so much for the religioin of peace....

[musclehead]

yes, the christians are holding signs that are protected free speech here in America but does the respectful youth in Dearborn MI have any tolerence?  you decide. it's a long vid but it hasn't been edited.

American Muslims Stone Christians in Dearborn, MI (Original edit)

[Fudd]

I just watched the video and cannot believe what I just saw!  That is the worst abuse of Christians or the freedom of speech that I've seen Muslims IN AMERICA ever get away with.  Stay tuned people, this kind of thing is going to be happening everywhere unless somebody holds their ground on American constitutional rights with these hoodlums.

One thing's for sure, Obama will have a landslide victory at the polls in Dearborn, MI.

http://catchkevin.com/islam-not-protected/

[old2soon]

It is written that in the end times they will try to take GOD out of everything. Looks like it may be starting in Dearborn Mi. My hat is off to the Christians with the signs-they maitained the peace. The cops on the other hand have got their collective heads so far up their rectums they must love the smell of ka ka. RIDE SAFE.

[..]

The police behaviour is reprehensible.

The young crowds behaviour is disgusting.

[Chrisj CMA]

Its going to get worse.  Thats just what they do.  

[MP]

This is  just the beginning. Unless we stop it now, which we wont, it will get much worse.  And, we will be called the bigots and intolerant.

[Fudd]

Just to give you a demographic view of Dearborn:

Forty-two percent of Dearborn's population is Arab-American and one-third Muslim, and the city has frequently seen confrontations between Christian and Muslim groups.
Read more at http://global.christianpost.com/news/christian-group-reportedly-protests-arab-festival-in-mich-with-severed-pigs-head-76890/#PRSVEQ58mLeH1VAj.99

Here is a good read on why Muslims should not be constitutionly protected in the U.S.:

http://catchkevin.com/islam-not-protected/

[Patrick]

Its been going on for quite some time AND we have been putting up with it for some strange reason that I don't understand.. Remember when the 'towel-head' students [ thats as polite as I can be ] at the university of buffalo all got together and cheered on 9/11 ??  [ the real 9/11/01]

[3fan4life]

The biggest "MYTH" spread about and by Islam is that it is a religion of peace.

This is minor stuff compared to what goes on in their own countries and is a small precursor of what they will do in this country if it is allowed to continue.

I have always tried to see the good in others, because of that I never could understand how muslims could be as cruel and evil towards others as they are.

Then I attended a conference where the speaker was born and raised in Egypt and while he wasn't a muslim he was educated in muslim schools and is an expert in islam.

He explained that muslims have been deceived.

I had always thought of allah as a fictional god, he explained that allah is real.

But that allah is not a god, he explained that allah is satan, which means that muslims are unknowingly bowing down to and worshiping satan.

When I heard this everything became perfectly clear to me.

While I had not been able to understand how human beings could be so evil, I could easily understand their actions if they were being influenced by satan himself.

He used a verse from the Quran:

And they deceived, and Allah deceived. And Allah is the best deceiver. Quran 3:54

And a verse from the Bible to illustrate this:

So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil, and Satan, who deceives the whole world; He was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Rev 12:9 NKJV

In this light see if this verse sounds like the muslims in the video to you:

And the dragon was enraged with the woman (Mary the mother of Jesus) , and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Rev 12:17 NKJV

Many refuse to accept the truth about islam. They have bought the myth that islam is a peaceful religion. They are deceived.

I say that actions speak louder than words and you don't have to look any further that the evening news to see what the "actions" of muslims are.

Islam's stated goal is to rule the entire earth.

I can only hope and pray that enough people's eyes are opened to the truth about islam before it is too late.
 
       

[fudgie]

Someone chucks rocks at me I'm throwing lead. 

[BF]

This may explain a few things......




http://www.rightsidenews.com/2010081111313/life-and-science/culture-wars/muslim-inbreeding-impacts-on-intelligence-sanity-health-and-society.html

Massive inbreeding within the Muslim culture during the last 1.400 years may have done catastrophic damage to their gene pool. The consequences of intermarriage between first cousins often have serious impact on the offspring's intelligence, sanity, health and on their surroundings.

The most famous example of inbreeding is in ancient Egypt, where several Pharaonic dynasties collapsed after a couple of hundred years. In order to keep wealth and power within the family, the Pharaohs often married their own sister or half-sister and after a handful of generations the offspring were mentally and physically unfit to rule.

Another historical example is the royal houses of Europe where royal families often married among each other because tradition did not allow them to marry people of non-royal class.

The high amount of mentally retarded and handicapped royalties throughout European history shows the unhealthy consequences of this practice. Luckily, the royal families have now allowed themselves to marry for love and not just for status.

The Muslim culture still practices inbreeding and has been doing so for longer than any Egyptian dynasty. This practice also predates the world's oldest monarchy (the Danish) by 300 years.

A rough estimate shows that close to half of all Muslims in the world are inbred: In Pakistan, 70 percent of all marriages are between first cousins (so-called "consanguinity") and in Turkey the amount is between 25-30 percent (Jyllands-Posten, 27/2 2009 More stillbirths among immigrants"

Statistical research on Arabic countries shows that up to 34 percent of all marriages in Algiers are consanguine (blood related), 46 percent in Bahrain, 33 percent in Egypt, 80 percent in Nubia (southern area in Egypt), 60 percent in Iraq, 64 percent in Jordan, 64 percent in Kuwait, 42 percent in Lebanon, 48 percent in Libya, 47 percent in Mauritania, 54 percent in Qatar, 67 percent in Saudi Arabia, 63 percent in Sudan, 40 percent in Syria, 39 percent in Tunisia, 54 percent in the United Arabic Emirates and 45 percent in Yemen (Reproductive Health Journal, 2009 Consanguinity and reproductive health among Arabs.).

A large part of inbred Muslims are born from parents who are themselves inbred - which increase the risks of negative mental and physical consequenses greatly.

[old2soon]

Someone chucks rocks at me I'm throwing lead. 

And this is the reason they want to disarm us. Don't get me wrong-i'm gonna do what ever is needed to protect me and mine. If that worthless P O S in our White house gets his way we will be defensless and broke along with his cronies that have drunk and are drinking the koolaid. Someone posted a video not long ago with population percentages of muslims and how bad the rioting gets in relation to those percentages. As 3fan4life posted-this was all told over 2000 years ago. Draw your own conclusions but it is written. That video does upset the christians among us. Again-draw your own conclusions. RIDE SAFE.

[Patrick]

Maybe this is a little off subject,, but,, regarding inbreeding.. Who were Cain and Able's wives and where did they come from ?? 

[Fritz The Cat]

Funny how Christians make jokes and do nothing while this is going on. America is in it's final hour. 

[3fan4life]

Maybe this is a little off subject,, but,, regarding inbreeding.. Who were Cain and Able's wives and where did they come from ??

The short answer is that no-one really knows where Cain's wife came from. (There is no account of Able having a wife).

There is a belief among some that Adam and Eve were not the only humans that God made just the first.

Then God said, Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.  
So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him. Male and female He created them.
Then God blessed them, and God said to them, "Be fruitful, and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it. Gen 1:26-28 NKJV

Cain's wife probably came from the land of Nod:

And Cain went out from the presence of the Lord and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.
And Cain knew his wife, and she conceived and bore Enoch. And he built a city, and called the name of the city after the name of his son, Enoch. Gen 4:16-17 NKJV

Does this fully explain this mystery ?

Of course not, but it does present a plausible theory.

[Patrick]

There is a belief among some that Adam and Eve were not the only humans that God made just the first. end quote..

What about Lilith  ??

[98valk]

Maybe this is a little off subject,, but,, regarding inbreeding.. Who were Cain and Able's wives and where did they come from ??

The short answer is that no-one really knows where Cain's wife came from. (There is no account of Able having a wife).

There is a belief among some that Adam and Eve were not the only humans that God made just the first.

Then God said, Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.  
So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him. Male and female He created them.
Then God blessed them, and God said to them, "Be fruitful, and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it. Gen 1:26-28 NKJV

Cain's wife probably came from the land of Nod:

And Cain went out from the presence of the Lord and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.
And Cain knew his wife, and she conceived and bore Enoch. And he built a city, and called the name of the city after the name of his son, Enoch. Gen 4:16-17 NKJV

Does this fully explain this mystery ?

Of course not, but it does present a plausible theory.

too add,
Gen 1 God created man, in Gen 2 God created adam a man a living soul. two different events.

[3fan4life]

There is a belief among some that Adam and Eve were not the only humans that God made just the first. end quote..

What about Lilith  ??

She isn't mentioned in the Bible.

[Patrick]

Sure she is.. Isaiah , Ben-Sira, Torah, Dead Sea Scrolls, Gilgamesh ..

[Patrick]

My Mommy always told me not to discuss religion or politics ,, it was impolite,, so,, I'll refrain.. Plus, I think the subject of the original post is really changing..

[3fan4life]

Sure she is.. Isaiah , Ben-Sira, Torah, Dead Sea Scrolls, Gilgamesh ..

If so you will have to show me where...............

So far a computer search of the entire Bible (including ALL popular translations) does not find the word,

Lilith or lilith to be present anywhere.

Ben-Sira, Torah, Dead Sea Scrolls, Gilgamesh are not applicable, if we are going to discuss the Bible then I am going to insist on limiting such discussion to ONLY what is in it.

My Mommy always told me not to discuss religion or politics ,, it was impolite,, so,, I'll refrain.. Plus, I think the subject of the original post is really changing..

It certainly is................. but then aren't you the one that started it in a different direction ?

Frankly I'm not sure what to make of someone that starts a religious discussion and then complains that it is about religion. ? ? ? ?

If you wish to continue this discussion off the board then feel free to PM me.

If you just want to say that it is done, that is OK with me as well.

If you should choose to continue it within this thread, then please don't complain about its content or direction.

[Patrick]

Huumm,, am I the one that changed the direction of this topic.. OK,, you're right,, I am.. I shouldn't have.. I should have listened to my mother..

[fudgie]

I heard Lilith some where. This is where we get terms from. Like Lilith fair, etc.

[fudgie]

Someone chucks rocks at me I'm throwing lead. 

And this is the reason they want to disarm us. Don't get me wrong-i'm gonna do what ever is needed to protect me and mine. If that worthless P O S in our White house gets his way we will be defensless and broke along with his cronies that have drunk and are drinking the koolaid.

This is just my opinion but I do not see us being disarmed, at least in my lifetime. And at the most another 50 yrs for me! 

[Chattanooga Mark]

Anyone who ever told you Islam is a religion of peace is either a liar or an uninformed idiot.

Mark

[Kymbo]

I Think this guy says it all
http://europenews.dk/en/node/58928

[musclehead]

Anyone who ever told you Islam is a religion of peace is either a liar or an uninformed idiot.

Mark

nearly every single time Islam is mentioned in the 'lame stream media' they try to make the point it's a peaceful religion.

[old2soon]

Someone chucks rocks at me I'm throwing lead. 

And this is the reason they want to disarm us. Don't get me wrong-i'm gonna do what ever is needed to protect me and mine. If that worthless P O S in our White house gets his way we will be defensless and broke along with his cronies that have drunk and are drinking the koolaid.

This is just my opinion but I do not see us being disarmed, at least in my lifetime. And at the most another 50 yrs for me! 

fudgie-i can only hope and pray you are correct in your assement of them trying to disarm American Citizens. If the dim bulb in our White House and hilary have their way-well i hope and pray yer correct. RIDE SAFE.

[2tonevalk]

Is it just me or has anyone else noticed the similarity of this video and the videos of the 60's in Alabama?
Both trouble makers were Democrats.
In the 60s the police sprayed water hoses on the crowd and used attack dogs.  Here they let the crowd throw anything and everything at people.
They scream "rights" now but 50 years ago they were doing everything they could do to suppress.  WTF???????
The Democrats today are using scare tactics of "Jim Crow" Laws by Republicans and the morons dont even know the Jim Crow Laws were written by the Democrats.
I love politics.  You make laws and 50 years later you blame them on your enemy.  LOL
Dumbasses (Not the politicians, the people who believe this crap without checking references).
Cannot wait until we have breadlines like Russia has now.  If you dont get a loaf today, come back tomorrow.  Reality will then set in.

[Patrick]

I tried to stay away,, but,, I won't speak of religion.. I'm just here to agree with 2tone.. Civil-rights was brought forth by by republicans and now these folks are vastly democrats,, cracks me up.. If there is one thing I've learned from history is that we don't learn from history.. Boy, talk about changing a subject..

[fudgie]

Someone chucks rocks at me I'm throwing lead. 

And this is the reason they want to disarm us. Don't get me wrong-i'm gonna do what ever is needed to protect me and mine. If that worthless P O S in our White house gets his way we will be defensless and broke along with his cronies that have drunk and are drinking the koolaid.

This is just my opinion but I do not see us being disarmed, at least in my lifetime. And at the most another 50 yrs for me! 

fudgie-i can only hope and pray you are correct in your assement of them trying to disarm American Citizens. If the dim bulb in our White House and hilary have their way-well i hope and pray yer correct. RIDE SAFE.

I can remember dad and others saying this since I was a kid. It has not happened, in fact I think firearm ownership is far easier today then 20 yrs ago.

[musclehead]

Is it just me or has anyone else noticed the similarity of this video and the videos of the 60's in Alabama?
Both trouble makers were Democrats.
In the 60s the police sprayed water hoses on the crowd and used attack dogs.  Here they let the crowd throw anything and everything at people.
They scream "rights" now but 50 years ago they were doing everything they could do to suppress.  WTF???????
The Democrats today are using scare tactics of "Jim Crow" Laws by Republicans and the morons dont even know the Jim Crow Laws were written by the Democrats.
I love politics.  You make laws and 50 years later you blame them on your enemy.  LOL
Dumbasses (Not the politicians, the people who believe this crap without checking references).
Cannot wait until we have breadlines like Russia has now.  If you dont get a loaf today, come back tomorrow.  Reality will then set in.

that's because all the ills of the country, neck the entire planet were caused by the other party.
I've heard Dems claim Lincoln was a dem, I've heard them blame repubs for everything you mentioned, but they conviently forget that the filibusterers were dems including Al gore SR and Robert Bird.

[MP]

Fudgie,
Used to be able to buy a gun in any state over the counter, no check. You could put one on a rack in your pkjp sindow. You could buy maiorder, shipped to your home.

Bought and sold like any other item, so, not near as easy as it used to be.

MP

[Robert]

There is a belief among some that Adam and Eve were not the only humans that God made just the first. end quote..

What about Lilith  ??

Interesting you bring that up I thought I remembered that name. Why did you pick this one name? What are you into that this would come up? Just interested.
Lilith (Hebrew: לילית‎; lilit, or lilith) is a Hebrew name for figure in Jewish mythology, developed earliest in the Babylonian Talmud, who is generally thought to be in part derived from a class of female demons Līlīṯu in Mesopotamian texts. Evidence in later Jewish materials is plentiful, but little information has been found relating to the original Akkadian and Babylonian view of these demons. The relevance of two sources previously used to connect the Jewish Lilith to an Akkadian Lilitu - the Gilgamesh appendix and the Arslan Tash amulets - are now both disputed by recent scholarship.The two problematic sources are discussed below.
The Hebrew term Lilith first occurs in Isaiah 34:14, either singular or plural according to variations in the earliest manuscripts, though in a list of animals. In the Dead Sea Scrolls Songs of the Sage the term first occurs in a list of monsters. In Jewish magical inscriptions, on bowls and amulets from the 6th century CE onwards, Lilith is identified as a female demon and the first visual depictions appear.

In Jewish folklore, from the 8th–10th centuries Alphabet of Ben Sira onwards, Lilith becomes Adam's first wife, who was created at the same time and from the same earth as Adam. This contrasts with Eve, who was created from one of Adam's ribs. The legend was greatly developed during the Middle Ages, in the tradition of Aggadic midrashim, the Zohar and Jewish mysticism. In the 13th Century writings of Rabbi Isaac ben Jacob ha-Cohen, for example, Lilith left Adam after she refused to become subservient to him and then would not return to the Garden of Eden after she mated with archangel Samael. The resulting Lilith legend is still commonly used as source material in modern Western culture, literature, occultism, fantasy, and horror.

[98valk]

There is a belief among some that Adam and Eve were not the only humans that God made just the first. end quote..

What about Lilith  ??

Interesting you bring that up I thought I remembered that name. Why did you pick this one name? What are you into that this would come up? Just interested.
Lilith (Hebrew: לילית‎; lilit, or lilith) is a Hebrew name for figure in Jewish mythology, developed earliest in the Babylonian Talmud, who is generally thought to be in part derived from a class of female demons Līlīṯu in Mesopotamian texts. Evidence in later Jewish materials is plentiful, but little information has been found relating to the original Akkadian and Babylonian view of these demons. The relevance of two sources previously used to connect the Jewish Lilith to an Akkadian Lilitu - the Gilgamesh appendix and the Arslan Tash amulets - are now both disputed by recent scholarship.The two problematic sources are discussed below.
The Hebrew term Lilith first occurs in Isaiah 34:14, either singular or plural according to variations in the earliest manuscripts, though in a list of animals. In the Dead Sea Scrolls Songs of the Sage the term first occurs in a list of monsters. In Jewish magical inscriptions, on bowls and amulets from the 6th century CE onwards, Lilith is identified as a female demon and the first visual depictions appear.

In Jewish folklore, from the 8th–10th centuries Alphabet of Ben Sira onwards, Lilith becomes Adam's first wife, who was created at the same time and from the same earth as Adam. This contrasts with Eve, who was created from one of Adam's ribs. The legend was greatly developed during the Middle Ages, in the tradition of Aggadic midrashim, the Zohar and Jewish mysticism.[3] In the 13th Century writings of Rabbi Isaac ben Jacob ha-Cohen, for example, Lilith left Adam after she refused to become subservient to him and then would not return to the Garden of Eden after she mated with archangel Samael. The resulting Lilith legend is still commonly used as source material in modern Western culture, literature, occultism, fantasy, and horror.

R., thank you, did not know any of that.

[Patrick]

Quote from: Patrick on September 29, 2012, 09:59:13 AM
There is a belief among some that Adam and Eve were not the only humans that God made just the first. end quote..

What about Lilith  ??


Interesting you bring that up I thought I remembered that name. Why did you pick this one name? What are you into that this would come up? Just interested.
Lilith (Hebrew: לילית‎; lilit, or lilith) is a Hebrew name for figure in Jewish mythology, developed earliest in the Babylonian Talmud, who is generally thought to be in part derived from a class of female demons Līlīṯu in Mesopotamian texts. Evidence in later Jewish materials is plentiful, but little information has been found relating to the original Akkadian and Babylonian view of these demons. The relevance of two sources previously used to connect the Jewish Lilith to an Akkadian Lilitu - the Gilgamesh appendix and the Arslan Tash amulets - are now both disputed by recent scholarship.The two problematic sources are discussed below.
The Hebrew term Lilith first occurs in Isaiah 34:14, either singular or plural according to variations in the earliest manuscripts, though in a list of animals. In the Dead Sea Scrolls Songs of the Sage the term first occurs in a list of monsters. In Jewish magical inscriptions, on bowls and amulets from the 6th century CE onwards, Lilith is identified as a female demon and the first visual depictions appear.

In Jewish folklore, from the 8th–10th centuries Alphabet of Ben Sira onwards, Lilith becomes Adam's first wife, who was created at the same time and from the same earth as Adam. This contrasts with Eve, who was created from one of Adam's ribs. The legend was greatly developed during the Middle Ages, in the tradition of Aggadic midrashim, the Zohar and Jewish mysticism. In the 13th Century writings of Rabbi Isaac ben Jacob ha-Cohen, for example, Lilith left Adam after she refused to become subservient to him and then would not return to the Garden of Eden after she mated with archangel Samael. The resulting Lilith legend is still commonly used as source material in modern Western culture, literature, occultism, fantasy, and horror.


Religious and political comments are not taken well at times here.. So, I'm trying to stay away.. But,, to answer your question,, I was just questioning a statement regarding Adam and Eve..I was just stating that Lilith was Adams first wife, thats all..
What am I into ?? Well, not much.. I started out as a good Catholic boy until a divorce.. I refused to knuckle under to the churches extortion tactics so the local monsignor could but his new Cadillac and the result was not being allowed back into that church when I married another good Catholic girl that was brought up in that same church.. JoAnn still goes to that church almost every day even though she has been repeatedly told she was not welcome.. That monsignor is now gone and she has become even more involved there.. I am not.. Anyway, this incident got me to actually start reading and studying religion which leads to studying all religions.. After 40 years I still find it interesting and more confusing the more I read.. After reading the 4 gospels of the KJ 1611, I had to read the remaining 49 and now the recently found additional 4.. They of course lead to other writings of other religions.. For me this all leads to more questions than answers..

[john]

                                   blah ...blah ...blah ...
"we are at war with a very evil and cunning enemy. An enemy that seeks to destroy everything that is good about the United States of America; Everything we value; Everything we cherish, Everything our forefathers and successive generations fought and died for so that we could receive the torch of freedom and pass it on to our children and grandchildren. This is our moment. It is our time to boldly stand up for our God, our Declaration of Independence, our Constitution, and our beloved Freedom! Let us exercise our God-given unalienable Rights and say "Yes to Freedom!" and "No to Oppression!" We owe it to our children, our grandchildren, and our grandparents. "

Until next time . . . Wake Up America!
                                                                       they are here  !

[czuch]

Private sales, and box a payday.
2012/2013,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[Robert]

Quote from: Patrick on September 29, 2012, 09:59:13 AM
There is a belief among some that Adam and Eve were not the only humans that God made just the first. end quote..

Religious and political comments are not taken well at times here.. So, I'm trying to stay away.. But,, to answer your question,, I was just questioning a statement regarding Adam and Eve..I was just stating that Lilith was Adams first wife, thats all..
What am I into ?? Well, not much.. I started out as a good Catholic boy until a divorce.. I refused to knuckle under to the churches extortion tactics so the local monsignor could but his new Cadillac and the result was not being allowed back into that church when I married another good Catholic girl that was brought up in that same church.. JoAnn still goes to that church almost every day even though she has been repeatedly told she was not welcome.. That monsignor is now gone and she has become even more involved there.. I am not.. Anyway, this incident got me to actually start reading and studying religion which leads to studying all religions.. After 40 years I still find it interesting and more confusing the more I read.. After reading the 4 gospels of the KJ 1611, I had to read the remaining 49 and now the recently found additional 4.. They of course lead to other writings of other religions.. For me this all leads to more questions than answers..

Great story I know what you mean and quite a few years ago I would have been right there with you. The difference is after my divorce I found the Lord   As for Lillith you have the only Bible that this name was still in print in. You may want to try a NASB easy read and in plain English. Although the Bible was written by people it was with the leading of the Holy Spirit and He is the one that can answer questions and interpret with you. Its a whole new world when you start to see things that weren't there and it applies to you personally. Look for the Baptism of the Holy Spirit in your reading, it would be really funny if you found what a friend the Lord is and would beat your wife to church.    Hey I have a question for you if you dont mind, What were Jesus last words and how could He say them. Another words what was the perspective that allowed Him to see things different than others. Dont need a answer if you dont want, just something for you to consider.

[Patrick]

Robert,, you asked me another question.. Well,, it depends on which Bible you refer to.. Over the centuries translations and interpretations have found ways into all Bibles so they don't all read the same even though the meaning is probably meant to be the same.. I think most would refer to KJ 1611.. If this is the case then it would matter which Gospel one would refer to[ 2 are pretty much the same so there could be 3 ].. But, I think what you are referring to is.. ' It is finished Father.. Into your hands I commit my spirit  ' ..
Some folks may not like this exchange so if this is continued maybe we should figure something else out..