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FryeVRCCDS0067

Had a couple of letters to the editor published in a local paper concerning the RKBA issue. And an interesting reply from an anti-gunner offering me cookies in reply to my first letter. My 2n'd is a reply to her.

There is no way to link to the individual letters so you have to scroll down a little to find these.


Reps should resist new anti-gun laws. The internet address I was sighting was left out of this first one.
http://tribstar.com/letters/x503809708/READERS-FORUM-Jan-2-2013

Anti-gunner replys.
http://tribstar.com/letters/x1303513583/READERS-FORUM-Jan-10-2013

My reply to the anti with the cookies.
http://tribstar.com/letters/x503824465/READERS-FORUM-Jan-17-2013
"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice.
And... moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.''
-- Barry Goldwater, Acceptance Speech at the Republican Convention; 1964

Serk

Good on ya', I'm glad there are still people on the side of light willing to engage the uneducated like that. I'm having to shift my support to behind the scenes/financial support, I just can't reason politely with those who wish to enslave me any longer, so to avoid showing them "One more kooky crazy gun nut" I just keep quiet and sign another relative up as an NRA member instead.

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Good job Mike  :cooldude:

You kept yer head, stated 'facts', and came off as a well adjusted and informed gun owner  ;)

Very well put.

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3fan4life

QuoteWill this stop the black market for guns? No. Will this stop criminals from getting guns? No. What it will do is make this nation safer for all of the law-abiding citizens and leave protection to those qualified to do it such as the police and soldiers. I await your reply with a date for your first meeting so I can start baking cookies.

— Shirley A. Thomas

Brazil


It soounds to me like the "Cookie" Lady wants to live in a Tolalitarian State.
1 Corinthians 1:18


Serk

Quote from: 3fan4life on Fri 18, Jan 2013, 15:02:42
QuoteWill this stop the black market for guns? No. Will this stop criminals from getting guns? No. What it will do is make this nation safer for all of the law-abiding citizens and leave protection to those qualified to do it such as the police and soldiers. I await your reply with a date for your first meeting so I can start baking cookies.

— Shirley A. Thomas

Brazil


It soounds to me like the "Cookie" Lady wants to live in a Tolalitarian State.

(Quote shamelessly stolen from a Facebook posting that's been going around.)

I just saw a movie about a place where only the police and military had guns.

...it was called Schindler's List.

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"Only one thing could have stopped a crazy man, bent on murder and suicide from killing those kids and teachers. That's an armed law enforcement officer, school employee or citizen." — Mike Frye

I respectfully disagree.  That's like saying the only thing that could have prevented the death-by-heart-attack of a 45-year-old, overweight, chain-smoking, junk food eating man is the presence of an automatic external defibrillator (AED) and someone who knows how to use it.  Yes, lives would be extended if every public venue had AEDs readily available, but it's a band-aid approach that only addresses prevention at time that it's guaranteed that someone will be leaving on a stretcher.  To carry the analogy further, the AED advocates would have us believe that the best way to prevent most heart attack deaths would be to have a large minority of people be trained in AED use and actually carry them wherever they went.  (I don't actually believe that AED advocates believe this; just go with it.)

The wise person would say that a better way to prevent heart attack deaths would be to strongly encourage and nourish healthy living from birth to (hopefully later) death.  If the whole nation did this, some industries would suffer (fast food, cattle ranching, video games), but others (sporting goods manufacturers, greenhouses, granola producers  :roll:) would flourish.

Just like the answer to heart attacks isn't AEDs or better heart surgery techniques, the answer to criminality isn't more or fewer guns or better training in gun-handling.  The answer to both is a shift in how we live our lives.

The answer that has the largest potential to reduce criminality is for kids to be raised in families where their parents are committed to each other, placing the other's needs above their own, as opposed to demanding concessions from each other with the threat of abandonment held over the other's head.  Parents who are willing to model personal integrity and courage, even at risk of personal loss, as opposed to modeling entitlement, greed, and the necessity to win at the cost of others.  Parents who model trust in God, contribution to their community, and grace towards those who don't live up to our expectations, rather than a fortress mentality where those who can't be entirely self-reliant will fail and deserve our contempt.  Eventually, we all fail, and when that happens we need to know that we have hope, that someone is willing to set us back on our feet and point us in the direction that leads to success.

Modeling these things to our children isn't a guarantee that they won't do something mildly or shockingly criminal, but I'm willing to bet that the vast majority of offenders in our criminal justice system have had greed, entitlement, rejection, and abandonment modeled for them by their parents.

So what is it going to take?  Not legislation.  Not social programs.  Not harsher penalties.  Not gun bans.  Not more armed guards.  It's going to take ME loving my wife and placing her needs above mine.  It's going to take ME showing mercy and grace when anger and retribution are to be expected.  It's going to take ME taking my son to the park instead of turning on the TV.  It's about ME admitting when I fail and seeking help to succeed.  It's about ME building into my kid's lives, helping them to be courageous when the easy way isn't the way of integrity, and not abandoning them when they fail.  It's about spreading hope.

Adam Lanza was a person without hope.

MarkT

Quote from: Gryphon Rider on Fri 18, Jan 2013, 16:31:57

Just like the answer to heart attacks isn't AEDs or better heart surgery techniques, the answer to criminality isn't more or fewer guns or better training in gun-handling.  The answer to both is a shift in how we live our lives.

The answer that has the largest potential to reduce criminality is for kids to be raised in families where their parents are committed to each other, placing the other's needs above their own, as opposed to demanding concessions from each other with the threat of abandonment held over the other's head.  Parents who are willing to model personal integrity and courage, even at risk of personal loss, as opposed to modeling entitlement, greed, and the necessity to win at the cost of others.  Parents who model trust in God, contribution to their community, and grace towards those who don't live up to our expectations, rather than a fortress mentality where those who can't be entirely self-reliant will fail and deserve our contempt.  Eventually, we all fail, and when that happens we need to know that we have hope, that someone is willing to set us back on our feet and point us in the direction that leads to success.

Modeling these things to our children isn't a guarantee that they won't do something mildly or shockingly criminal, but I'm willing to bet that the vast majority of offenders in our criminal justice system have had greed, entitlement, rejection, and abandonment modeled for them by their parents.

So what is it going to take?  Not legislation.  Not social programs.  Not harsher penalties.  Not gun bans.  Not more armed guards.  It's going to take ME loving my wife and placing her needs above mine.  It's going to take ME showing mercy and grace when anger and retribution are to be expected.  It's going to take ME taking my son to the park instead of turning on the TV.  It's about ME admitting when I fail and seeking help to succeed.  It's about ME building into my kid's lives, helping them to be courageous when the easy way isn't the way of integrity, and not abandoning them when they fail.  It's about spreading hope.

Adam Lanza was a person without hope.


WOW.  Just wow.  Do you look at your WHOLE world with those rose-colored glasses?  And you are going to implement this solution that only calls for a complete revamping of our society's mores and implements this ideal dream of child-rearing in how much time, say in a month or so?  I've known liberals were idealists - as opposed to realists who actually live in this world - but you've defined a whole new level of a fantasy land.

Meanwhile maybe the rest of us who live in the real world can come up with realistic ideas that stops the mayhem now.  Like armed guards in schools, and getting people to understand that establishing gun-free zones is inviting these crazies to have at it.  I'm thinking that putting up a gun-free safe zone sign means you are owning the security of all those within - and are liable if you fail to protect them.

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Quote from: Gryphon Rider on Fri 18, Jan 2013, 16:31:57
"Only one thing could have stopped a crazy man, bent on murder and suicide from killing those kids and teachers. That's an armed law enforcement officer, school employee or citizen." — Mike Frye

I respectfully disagree.  That's like saying the only thing that could have prevented the death-by-heart-attack of a 45-year-old, overweight, chain-smoking, junk food eating man is the presence of an automatic external defibrillator (AED) and someone who knows how to use it.  Yes, lives would be extended if every public venue had AEDs readily available, but it's a band-aid approach that only addresses prevention at time that it's guaranteed that someone will be leaving on a stretcher.  To carry the analogy further, the AED advocates would have us believe that the best way to prevent most heart attack deaths would be to have a large minority of people be trained in AED use and actually carry them wherever they went.  (I don't actually believe that AED advocates believe this; just go with it.)

The wise person would say that a better way to prevent heart attack deaths would be to strongly encourage and nourish healthy living from birth to (hopefully later) death.  If the whole nation did this, some industries would suffer (fast food, cattle ranching, video games), but others (sporting goods manufacturers, greenhouses, granola producers  :roll:) would flourish.

Just like the answer to heart attacks isn't AEDs or better heart surgery techniques, the answer to criminality isn't more or fewer guns or better training in gun-handling.  The answer to both is a shift in how we live our lives.

The answer that has the largest potential to reduce criminality is for kids to be raised in families where their parents are committed to each other, placing the other's needs above their own, as opposed to demanding concessions from each other with the threat of abandonment held over the other's head.  Parents who are willing to model personal integrity and courage, even at risk of personal loss, as opposed to modeling entitlement, greed, and the necessity to win at the cost of others.  Parents who model trust in God, contribution to their community, and grace towards those who don't live up to our expectations, rather than a fortress mentality where those who can't be entirely self-reliant will fail and deserve our contempt.  Eventually, we all fail, and when that happens we need to know that we have hope, that someone is willing to set us back on our feet and point us in the direction that leads to success.

Modeling these things to our children isn't a guarantee that they won't do something mildly or shockingly criminal, but I'm willing to bet that the vast majority of offenders in our criminal justice system have had greed, entitlement, rejection, and abandonment modeled for them by their parents.

So what is it going to take?  Not legislation.  Not social programs.  Not harsher penalties.  Not gun bans.  Not more armed guards.  It's going to take ME loving my wife and placing her needs above mine.  It's going to take ME showing mercy and grace when anger and retribution are to be expected.  It's going to take ME taking my son to the park instead of turning on the TV.  It's about ME admitting when I fail and seeking help to succeed.  It's about ME building into my kid's lives, helping them to be courageous when the easy way isn't the way of integrity, and not abandoning them when they fail.  It's about spreading hope.

Adam Lanza was a person without hope.


So, during this attack, all poor Adam needed was a hug?
Awesome job, Frye!  I have had a couple letters published, also.  Let's keep fighting the good fight.




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Quote from: MarkT on Fri 18, Jan 2013, 17:17:45
WOW.  Just wow.  Do you look at your WHOLE world with those rose-colored glasses?  And you are going to implement this solution that only calls for a complete revamping of our society's mores and implements this ideal dream of child-rearing in how much time, say in a month or so?  I've known liberals were idealists - as opposed to realists who actually live in this world - but you've defined a whole new level of a fantasy land.

Meanwhile maybe the rest of us who live in the real world can come up with realistic ideas that stops the mayhem now.  Like armed guards in schools, and getting people to understand that establishing gun-free zones is inviting these crazies to have at it.  I'm thinking that putting up a gun-free safe zone sign means you are owning the security of all those within - and are liable if you fail to protect them.
I'm not sure how addressing the root causes is looking through rose-coloured glasses.  It seems you've missed my point, which is that a better way to PREVENT these types of tragedies is to raise our children well and give them a reason to hope for tomorrow.  I'm not saying do NOT do what is needed to address immediate issues.

Let me make another analogy.  If motorcyclists are dying in outrageous numbers, what can we do to prevent this?  We can look at which specific injuries are killing them, then encourage motorcycle riders to wear protective equipment that will reduce the severity of those injuries.  Or we can look at why they are crashing, then educate riders how to avoid the mistakes that are most likely to cause them to crash, and how to develop the skills to better deal with those dangerous situations.

At least my rose-coloured safety glasses will prevent a rock from taking out my eye when I'm riding my Valkyrie.

MarkT

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Quote from: Gryphon Rider on Fri 18, Jan 2013, 18:02:57
Quote from: MarkT on Fri 18, Jan 2013, 17:17:45
WOW.  Just wow.  Do you look at your WHOLE world with those rose-colored glasses?  And you are going to implement this solution that only calls for a complete revamping of our society's mores and implements this ideal dream of child-rearing in how much time, say in a month or so?  I've known liberals were idealists - as opposed to realists who actually live in this world - but you've defined a whole new level of a fantasy land.

Meanwhile maybe the rest of us who live in the real world can come up with realistic ideas that stops the mayhem now.  Like armed guards in schools, and getting people to understand that establishing gun-free zones is inviting these crazies to have at it.  I'm thinking that putting up a gun-free safe zone sign means you are owning the security of all those within - and are liable if you fail to protect them.
I'm not sure how addressing the root causes is looking through rose-coloured glasses.  It seems you've missed my point, which is that a better way to PREVENT these types of tragedies is to raise our children well and give them a reason to hope for tomorrow.  I'm not saying do NOT do what is needed to address immediate issues.

Let me make another analogy.  If motorcyclists are dying in outrageous numbers, what can we do to prevent this?  We can look at which specific injuries are killing them, then encourage motorcycle riders to wear protective equipment that will reduce the severity of those injuries.  Or we can look at why they are crashing, then educate riders how to avoid the mistakes that are most likely to cause them to crash, and how to develop the skills to better deal with those dangerous situations.

At least my rose-coloured safety glasses will prevent a rock from taking out my eye when I'm riding my Valkyrie.

I was going to edit & lighten up my response but my connection broke.  My response was too harsh I think.  I agree with you, if we had better upbringing of our children including attention to values, even religious oriented would reduce these incidents a lot.  But that just isn't going to happen anytime soon, if ever.  And certainly can't be mandated, or should be by any Big Brother.  Meanwhile we need a solution package now.  And the gun grab isn't part of it - at least in our culture.

For now, I think securing our schools in the same way that courthouses are secured is an immediate band-aid, at least for schools.  Controlled access, metal detection, appropriately trained and armed guards - since we seem to be getting pushback from many educators about arming them - even voluntarily.  And no more declared gun-safe zones without making it clear that in those zones, the owner is owning the security of those who pass within - legally.  As for me - I ignore the signs. I won't be disarmed anywhere it is otherwise legal for me to carry concealed - and be a victim thanks to the gun free zone declaration.  And hand a card like this to the owner:




The common denominator of nearly all these shooters, is they are young 17-25, male, and mentally unbalanced in some way.  I suspect that years from now, we will have seen some means that identifies them before they implode, and get them help and prevent their acquiring weapons.  Now our mission is to find the means without unintended consequences.  King Obama's turning doctors into rats was obviously not thought through.  But then, a clown did come up with it...

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Jabba

I would not label Gryphon a "liberal" either.  Not in a neat package for sure.  That aside...  I agree with his, and everyone's belief that we need to raise our kids better.  But we can only raise OUR kids.  Not anyone else's kids.  I a REASONABLY sure that MY kid won't do anything like that... but one never really KNOWS do they?  Personally, I'd like for a LARGE portion of the population to be armed.  I believe that we would have a much more polite society.  Even crazy people are not stupid, and even stupid people are not crazy.  You sort of have to be BOTH to do what these whack jobs do when they do a mass killing.  If we had a large % of the LAW abiding, citizenry armed at ANY given time... it's a TOTAL dice roll as to how many SECONDS it takes for anyone in a group of people within sight of a gun crime going down to drop the perp.  Would there be an occasional collateral killing of a bystander?  Sure.  But I THINK that the frequency of this sort of thing happening would go WAY down.  Gryphon doesn't want to restrict our guns at all.  I don't THINK.  But I feel WAY safer when I am in a room full of people that I know are probably carrying.  I am NOT scared, timid, nervous or worried.  I am confident that I am in a room full of sheepdogs, and that together we can keep the wolves off the sheep.

Jabba

FryeVRCCDS0067

Quote from: Jabba on Fri 18, Jan 2013, 18:59:09
I would not label Gryphon a "liberal" either.  Not in a neat package for sure.  That aside...  I agree with his, and everyone's belief that we need to raise our kids better.  But we can only raise OUR kids.  Not anyone else's kids.  I a REASONABLY sure that MY kid won't do anything like that... but one never really KNOWS do they?  Personally, I'd like for a LARGE portion of the population to be armed.  I believe that we would have a much more polite society.  Even crazy people are not stupid, and even stupid people are not crazy.  You sort of have to be BOTH to do what these whack jobs do when they do a mass killing.  If we had a large % of the LAW abiding, citizenry armed at ANY given time... it's a TOTAL dice roll as to how many SECONDS it takes for anyone in a group of people within sight of a gun crime going down to drop the perp.  Would there be an occasional collateral killing of a bystander?  Sure.  But I THINK that the frequency of this sort of thing happening would go WAY down.  Gryphon doesn't want to restrict our guns at all.  I don't THINK.  But I feel WAY safer when I am in a room full of people that I know are probably carrying.  I am NOT scared, timid, nervous or worried.  I am confident that I am in a room full of sheepdogs, and that together we can keep the wolves off the sheep.

Jabba

:cooldude:
"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice.
And... moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.''
-- Barry Goldwater, Acceptance Speech at the Republican Convention; 1964

FryeVRCCDS0067

I will say, and I know I'll be thought of as, or called a paranoid but the timing of these things just seems, odd. I seem to remember the Columbine thing happened during a time of gun control debate. Maybe having to do with the UN? This last one, right at the beginning of Obama's 2'nd term when he no longer has anything to lose. And, I suppose it's just a coincidence that the bill Feinstein has been working on for a year is ready now.

It just seems hard to beleive. If, God forbid, we have another one right as she brings it to the Senate, can we toss it off as just coincidence? I have to wonder if some foreign power isn't somehow affecting some of the "at risk people" in the gaming community through online games. I don't mean as in, overtly talking them into becoming terrorists. I mean through some form of subliminal manipulation taking place while playing halo, or whatever online shoot em up they maybe playing. Those are cool games, I don't think the violence of the game it's self would affect normal people badly.

However it's my understanding that these gamers are from all over the world and compete and communicate with each other online. What if some of those playing these games are actually targeting those with weak minds in the US and elsewhere in order to trigger this behavior? I know subliminal manipulation has been shown to have minimal affect on normal people, but what about "at risk people"? What would be possible if a hostile regime put 250 million dollars and 15 years into such a program?

I can't help thinking there is more going on here than meets the eye. As I've said before, nothing would make our enemies in the world happier than to see the American people disarm themselves. Right now, the American citizen has too be the largest armed group on the face of the earth. And I'm sure many other countrys would like to change that. And, lets face it, we could only be disarmed from within.

Yeah, I know, send me a bushel of tinfoil hats or something if you want but it's hard for me to accept that this has just been a run of bad luck for the US. A run of bad luck which could cause us to turn "Freedom" into a quaint old phrase.  :'(

"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice.
And... moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.''
-- Barry Goldwater, Acceptance Speech at the Republican Convention; 1964

fudgie

Lifestyles have nothing to due with how long you live. A fast food junkie can live to be 80 and a person that watches his diet and excersises daily can die at 35. I've seen it and worked them. Same for a 2 yr old, who has no say in his lifestyle. They still die. The AED gives that added chance for survival. AEDs work in the public by those you know how to use it. Same for guns. They are used for added survival by those that know how to use them.  :cooldude:


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fudgie

Good job Mike!  :cooldude: Cookie lady sounds like a bitch.  :crazy2:


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And we welcome all you sheep...

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Jess from VA

Under the old Soviet regime, anything could be possible, but I just don't see it today Mike.  Ii suppose the Chinese are just as crazy, but they are moving toward capitalism, however slowly.

As these terrible things happen, I generally revert to my theory that all humans are by their nature basically evil, and have the potential to cause catastrophic damage, and as the population goes up, so does the small percentage of worm-in-the-head individuals that should have been drowned at birth.  Sure as the sun will come up, more of these incidents will happen...... whether or not the libs make a run at some or even all our guns.  Bless their wretched, bleeding, ignorant hearts one and all.

I believe Griff from Calgary has it exactly right on the importance of loving carrot-and-hammer cradle-to -adulthood child rearing, but Heaven knows a high percentage of newborns are never given that gift, or anything close to it.  

JimC

QuoteLet me make another analogy.  If motorcyclists are dying in outrageous numbers, what can we do to prevent this?  We can look at which specific injuries are killing them, then encourage motorcycle riders to wear protective equipment that will reduce the severity of those injuries.  Or we can look at why they are crashing, then educate riders how to avoid the mistakes that are most likely to cause them to crash, and how to develop the skills to better deal with those dangerous situations.

Gryphon,
I agree with you that the root cause is lack of morals, family values, integrity, all of which should be taught at home by parents.

But in your analogy of the motorcycle riders getting hurt, the governments answer would be to limit all motorcycles to 350cc, govern them to 45mph, forbidding the sale of future motorcycles that do not meet their ideals. Then they would make it a criminal offense for the law abiding Valkyrie owner to use his any longer. (to it's potential) When all that is said and done they would make the owners scrap them when they are too old to ride. All of that with the ultimate goal being no more motorcycles!   

That is the government answer to the gun situation.

Jim
Jim Callaghan    SE Wisconsin

FryeVRCCDS0067

Quote from: Jess from VA on Fri 18, Jan 2013, 21:03:53
Under the old Soviet regime, anything could be possible, but I just don't see it today Mike.  Ii suppose the Chinese are just as crazy, but they are moving toward capitalism, however slowly.

As these terrible things happen, I generally revert to my theory that all humans are by their nature basically evil, and have the potential to cause catastrophic damage, and as the population goes up, so does the small percentage of worm-in-the-head individuals that should have been drowned at birth.  Sure as the sun will come up, more of these incidents will happen...... whether or not the libs make a run at some or even all our guns.  Bless their wretched, bleeding, ignorant hearts one and all.

I believe Griff from Calgary has it exactly right on the importance of loving carrot-and-hammer cradle-to -adulthood child rearing, but Heaven knows a high percentage of newborns are never given that gift, or anything close to it.  

You're probably and hopefully right.  I'm pretty much a naturally suspicious guy who's probably been reading too many Stephen Hunter books during the winter.  ;D Add to that the fact that I've picked the worst time in recorded history to apply for an FFL and I'm probably just looking for shadows where none exist. I've been studying federal regulations till my brain is bleeding and the prospect of learning a bunch of new ones has me so tense I doubt you could drive a pole barn nail up my rear with a sledge hammer. Although, I'd rather leave that at the theory stage.  ;D

Speaking of the FFL application, the wife was balancing the checkbook and called me out in the shop with this WTH have you bought now tone and says "A $200 charge for Firearms and Explosives?" WTH did you buy? Man, I was a little dumbfounded too and I asked who is it to? She said the statement says it's to "firearms and explosives". Ha! I guess that's the banks shorthand for the BATFE.

I adhere to and believe fully in your theory concerning human nature. And, as you say, the more densely you pack people (or pretty much any mammal) into a small space the crazier many of them become. If it happens again right when Fienstein brings this new infringement into the light I may start wondering about some of the worlds ultra wealthy though. So, keep some tin-foil hats handy for me.  ;D
"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice.
And... moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.''
-- Barry Goldwater, Acceptance Speech at the Republican Convention; 1964

Oss

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JimC  when I was in 7th grade the Principal would get on the PA system once a week and speak about
just that word POTENTIAL

We all have the potential to rise to whatever level we wish and likewise to sink to whatever depravity
floats our boats

While I agree that good parenting can help, I must also agree that good shooting skills can save lives

Don is not paranoid, shooting games and hollywood movies take the pain, guilt and horror out of
causing another death or pain

Maybe 40 years ago, big brother began mainstreaming those who were in institutions, helped by drug companies pushing mind altering or numbing drugs

Now we know that these chemicals produced by american and other corporations kill, numb, and pollute in ways we did not imagine.  

Are there powerful forces pulling the strings of BOTH parties?  I surely believe this has been the case for decades and I pray for our country our armed forces who are sent at the whim of the executive
and our children who will inherit the world that we gave them

Our job is to try to make it a better place but we are not doing as well as we should

We all should try harder to live up to our potential in whatever way we can

I wont demonize those who believe gun control is important, but I will ceaselessly attempt to show by example why the POTUS' plan is not one america should embrace. O has been the best thing for the gun industry in years. Lets hope that his plan sinks like a stone and a person steps up who we can follow in 2016  Thanks for writing the letters and showing us a responsible way to
use our potential to stop this mad attempt to strip our rights
If you don't know where your going any road will take you there
George Harrison

When you come to the fork in the road, take it
Yogi Berra   (Don't send it to me C.O.D.)

Jess from VA

Quote from: FryeVRCCDS0067 on Fri 18, Jan 2013, 22:14:58
Quote from: Jess from VA on Fri 18, Jan 2013, 21:03:53
Under the old Soviet regime, anything could be possible, but I just don't see it today Mike.  Ii suppose the Chinese are just as crazy, but they are moving toward capitalism, however slowly.

As these terrible things happen, I generally revert to my theory that all humans are by their nature basically evil, and have the potential to cause catastrophic damage, and as the population goes up, so does the small percentage of worm-in-the-head individuals that should have been drowned at birth.  Sure as the sun will come up, more of these incidents will happen...... whether or not the libs make a run at some or even all our guns.  Bless their wretched, bleeding, ignorant hearts one and all.

I believe Griff from Calgary has it exactly right on the importance of loving carrot-and-hammer cradle-to -adulthood child rearing, but Heaven knows a high percentage of newborns are never given that gift, or anything close to it.  

You're probably and hopefully right.  I'm pretty much a naturally suspicious guy who's probably been reading too many Stephen Hunter books during the winter.  ;D Add to that the fact that I've picked the worst time in recorded history to apply for an FFL and I'm probably just looking for shadows where none exist. I've been studying federal regulations till my brain is bleeding and the prospect of learning a bunch of new ones has me so tense I doubt you could drive a pole barn nail up my rear with a sledge hammer. Although, I'd rather leave that at the theory stage.  ;D

Speaking of the FFL application, the wife was balancing the checkbook and called me out in the shop with this WTH have you bought now tone and says "A $200 charge for Firearms and Explosives?" WTH did you buy? Man, I was a little dumbfounded too and I asked who is it to? She said the statement says it's to "firearms and explosives". Ha! I guess that's the banks shorthand for the BATFE.

I adhere to and believe fully in your theory concerning human nature. And, as you say, the more densely you pack people (or pretty much any mammal) into a small space the crazier many of them become. If it happens again right when Fienstein brings this new infringement into the light I may start wondering about some of the worlds ultra wealthy though. So, keep some tin-foil hats handy for me.  ;D

Hey when that check clears, I'm a little short on explosives right now, so please send a bag of tnt,  just to restock my shelves you know.  I'll send the ex-wife's address, and pick it up from her.  Could be a problem with the mail, so just mark it used motorcycle parts and we'll call it good.   :cooldude:      :2funny: (If these words come up on an NSA search program, we are just joking around here, so move on to your next hit)

Good luck on the FFL.  Definitely study up on the rules and bookkeeping.  I always heard you had to waive your 4th amendment rights to one or two potential surprise visits a year to get one.  I fully intended to get a C & R license about the time Clinton cut FFLs in half, so didn't.

BTW it's not that I don't think the liberal powers that be wouldn't be willing to conspire in a mass murder to further their agenda (see Fast and Furious), I just don't believe they would think they could succeed and get away with it using a disturbed child in a Connecticut school..... secrets among many people can usually not be kept.

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Under the old Soviet regime, anything could be possible, but I just don't see it today Mike.  Ii suppose the Chinese are just as crazy, but they are moving toward capitalism, however slowly.

As these terrible things happen, I generally revert to my theory that all humans are by their nature basically evil, and have the potential to cause catastrophic damage, and as the population goes up, so does the small percentage of worm-in-the-head individuals that should have been drowned at birth.  Sure as the sun will come up, more of these incidents will happen...... whether or not the libs make a run at some or even all our guns.  Bless their wretched, bleeding, ignorant hearts one and all.

I believe Griff from Calgary has it exactly right on the importance of loving carrot-and-hammer cradle-to -adulthood child rearing, but Heaven knows a high percentage of newborns are never given that gift, or anything close to it.  

You're probably and hopefully right.  I'm pretty much a naturally suspicious guy who's probably been reading too many Stephen Hunter books during the winter.  ;D Add to that the fact that I've picked the worst time in recorded history to apply for an FFL and I'm probably just looking for shadows where none exist. I've been studying federal regulations till my brain is bleeding and the prospect of learning a bunch of new ones has me so tense I doubt you could drive a pole barn nail up my rear with a sledge hammer. Although, I'd rather leave that at the theory stage.  ;D

Speaking of the FFL application, the wife was balancing the checkbook and called me out in the shop with this WTH have you bought now tone and says "A $200 charge for Firearms and Explosives?" WTH did you buy? Man, I was a little dumbfounded too and I asked who is it to? She said the statement says it's to "firearms and explosives". Ha! I guess that's the banks shorthand for the BATFE.

I adhere to and believe fully in your theory concerning human nature. And, as you say, the more densely you pack people (or pretty much any mammal) into a small space the crazier many of them become. If it happens again right when Fienstein brings this new infringement into the light I may start wondering about some of the worlds ultra wealthy though. So, keep some tin-foil hats handy for me.  ;D

Hey when that check clears, I'm a little short on explosives right now, so please send a bag of tnt,  just to restock my shelves you know.  I'll send the ex-wife's address, and pick it up from her.  Could be a problem with the mail, so just mark it used motorcycle parts and we'll call it good.   :cooldude:      :2funny: (If these words come up on an NSA search program, we are just joking around here, so move on to your next hit)

Good luck on the FFL.  Definitely study up on the rules and bookkeeping.  I always heard you had to waive your 4th amendment rights to one or two potential surprise visits a year to get one.  I fully intended to get a C & R license about the time Clinton cut FFLs in half, so didn't.

BTW it's not that I don't think the liberal powers that be wouldn't be willing to conspire in a mass murder to further their agenda (see Fast and Furious), I just don't believe they would think they could succeed and get away with it using a disturbed child in a Connecticut school..... secrets among many people can usually not be kept.

I honestly wasn't thinking of American politicians being responsible for it. I was thinking of a hostile foreign government's intelligence people timing these attacks to have the best chance of successfully influencing America's direction. 

Like you say though, it's probably just random worm heads.
"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice.
And... moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.''
-- Barry Goldwater, Acceptance Speech at the Republican Convention; 1964