so, what's wrong with horse meat?

[alph]

recently some fast food restuarant recalled some burgers 'cause they were tainted with horse meat, now IKEA has recalled their "meat" balls 'cause some CSI investigators found horse DNA in it.  but what i'd like to know is really; whats "wrong" with it? 

i've worked in many restuarants growing up, and from some of those kitchens most people wouldn't let a dog eat their but people kept coming back!! they kept buying the food even though the cook hadn't bathed in months, didn't believe in water for cleaning, or somehow never got anyone sick.  but throw "horse meat" into the equation and everyone's running to the toilet to throw up!  why?

this is a comic releif rant, i've eaten horse meat when i was a child, my parents where very frugle and from "the old country" so eating horse, goat, sheep, pig, were all part of my diet.  not to mention eel, sea urchants, squid, oysters, clams, snails....... my mom use to pick dandilions from the yard and boil them up for us kids!! (they taste like spinach but you have to pick them before the flower head forms or it's very bitter)   

has anyone ever eaten in a "french" restuarant?  lord knows, if it moves, they'll cook it!!

but thow Mr. Edd in there and forget it!!   

[MacDragon]

Wiilllllber.

[WilliamRS]

The current crisis isn't so much about it being horsemeat as it is about uncertainty in the food chain.  You think you are buying beef, you are paying for beef, you think you are eating beef...but then you find out it isn't just beef.

There is also some concern about drugs that are used on horses that aren't used in other self-directing-mobile-grass-to-protein-converters.

The other factor is using an animal that has been more than just a companion to humans for millenia.  We still use 'horsepower' as a measurement.

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

recently some fast food restuarant recalled some burgers 'cause they were tainted with horse meat, now IKEA has recalled their "meat" balls 'cause some CSI investigators found horse DNA in it.  but what i'd like to know is really; whats "wrong" with it? 

i've worked in many restuarants growing up, and from some of those kitchens most people wouldn't let a dog eat their but people kept coming back!! they kept buying the food even though the cook hadn't bathed in months, didn't believe in water for cleaning, or somehow never got anyone sick.  but throw "horse meat" into the equation and everyone's running to the toilet to throw up!  why?

this is a comic releif rant, i've eaten horse meat when i was a child, my parents where very frugle and from "the old country" so eating horse, goat, sheep, pig, were all part of my diet.  not to mention eel, sea urchants, squid, oysters, clams, snails....... my mom use to pick dandilions from the yard and boil them up for us kids!! (they taste like spinach but you have to pick them before the flower head forms or it's very bitter)   

has anyone ever eaten in a "french" restuarant?  lord knows, if it moves, they'll cook it!!

but thow Mr. Edd in there and forget it!!   

Wow. Mom and I used to go out in the yard and pick "dandelion greens" when I was little. Never heard anyone else mention doing it. Thanks for bringing back a great memory. 

[alph]

self-directing-mobile-grass-to-protein-converters.

that's excellent!! 

i'm just thinking that if they added; "horse parts" to the ingredint listing, all would be fine!?! 

as for the dandiline greens, i was watching a hmong neighbor picking dandilines from her back yard, my wife says to me "look, she's weeding her yard!" i said, "no dear, she's making dinner....."  she still doesn't believe me.

[Lyn-Del]

when I was a kid, horsemeat was a common ingredient in dog food.  then, one day, it disappeared.  I thought it had become illegal, maybe just out of favor.  Some people can't bring themselves to eat Bambi (I love venison!), apparently even more folks can't bear the thought of eating horses.

as a kid, I bottle raised a calf, and when he was butchered, I didn't eat beef for a while.  But when I was sure it wasn't him, I rejoined the meat eaters with relish.   I don't want to raise a calf for butchering now, but it's because I'd get too attached to let him go.

[Fritz The Cat]

There are some things I won't eat just because of what they are and for no other reason. It's a cultural thing, we Americans are like that. Koreans are of a different culture, they eat dogs and cats. The very thought makes me want to vomit.

[Oss]

To me the whole thing is about buying what is on the label and having a right to believe the label is correct

Bonnie is an herbalist

IT is not uncommon for her to tell me to pull over while we are out riding because she sees
a Linden or Sassafras tree in flowery bloom or when we were in rochester Mn she saw a whole field of
purple clover to pick

At home she picks dandelion to make tinctures and to eat as Alph mentioned and picks
plantain as first aid if one of us gets cut

Plants are great food and medicine IF you know what you are doing

As for Mr Ed, cant say I have and cant say I havent, but I do know that you can find ammonia as well as many other things in meats that are not free range, like your venison or non organic meats

Thanks for the memory jog alph

[R J]

I did 2 tours in Korea.    The 1st tour we pretty much lived off of the land.

I know we ate some dog, and maybe a cat or 2, but it sure never hurt me any.

I don't purr like a kitten and I might bark like a dog, but if you are hungry you will mouth it down.

During WWII, I know we eat horse meat cause I helped, yeah right, Grandpa butcher the horse.    He was one of those steak and tatters person for every meal from the get go.

Darn city slickers anyway, they muck it all up.

Just like I think all illegals and kids need to do a term in the Military.   That will straighten out a few of them younguns who do drugs and etc.

[Hooter]

I like Chinese but I don't ask?    I particularly don't want anything other than ground beef in my ground beef, but how would I know? Look at whats in a damn hot dog for cryin out loud. Read the package once.

As is the case with most anything anymore, we Americans are squeemish about anything suggested that doesn't fit with what we see as "normal". WE expect beef to be beef and weiners to be weiners. AGAIN, read the package, and I like weiners and I still eat them hoping I don't find an eyeball looking back at me in one.  

AS for the dandilines, I've gathered them along with watercrest. WE used to go to the creek and get the watercrest and thought nothing of it. WE hunted for our food and liked it. I grew up poor and out of necessity thats what we did and I still like dandilines and watercrest, but I don't have to eat them.

[Lyn-Del]

Just like I think all illegals and kids need to do a term in the Military.   That will straighten out a few of them younguns who do drugs and etc.

I hope it has changed.  My high school boyfriend went into Marine boot camp clean, came out doing drugs.  That would have been 1975 or 1976.

Didn't convince me that the Marines were doing a good job of straightening guys out.

[..]

So many problems with the current horse meat scandal in Europe.

Some of the horeses have been treated with drugs that aren't good for us bipeds.

A LOT of horses have come from Romania where the Govt banned them for use on the roads. Who knows what disease etc those animals may carry.

Etc etc etc

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/26/world/europe/26iht-letter26.html?_r=0

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/a-stable-diet-europes-consumers-find-horse-meat-hiding-in-meatballs-pizzas-pies-and-kebabs/2013/02/25/e635f5d6-7f72-11e2-a671-0307392de8de_story.html

http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/10/world/europe/uk-horsemeat-probe

I too have eaten horse meat whilst in France. From an inspected horse butcher who bought from an inspected abbatoir.

[hubcapsc]

I believe some horses end up with miserable end-of-lives because we no
longer butcher them here.  Stuff that has value is cherished. Stuff that has no
value is cast away...

Until 2007, a few horse meat slaughterhouses still existed in the United States, selling meat to zoos to feed their carnivores, and exporting it for human consumption, but the last one, Cavel International in Dekalb, Illinois, was closed by court order in 2007. The closure reportedly caused a surplus of horses in Illinois.


      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horse_meat

-Mike

[Rams]

There are some things I won't eat just because of what they are and for no other reason. It's a cultural thing, we Americans are like that. Koreans are of a different culture, they eat dogs and cats. The very thought makes me want to vomit.

The same is true for just about every culture, what one considers acceptable, others see as unacceptable.  I remember attending survival school in the military and crossing many boundaries that most folks wouldn't do unless they were starving and then still might not go there.  The things we can get nutrition from versus the things we choose to get or enjoy are normally not on the same menu.

To me the whole thing is about buying what is on the label and having a right to believe the label is correct

Which is precisely what the legal discussion should be about.  Truth in advertising and proper labeling.

Just like I think all illegals and kids need to do a term in the Military.   That will straighten out a few of them younguns who do drugs and etc.

I hope it has changed.  My high school boyfriend went into Marine boot camp clean, came out doing drugs.  That would have been 1975 or 1976.

Didn't convince me that the Marines were doing a good job of straightening guys out.

The military services are simply a reflection of what's going on in our current culture.  If you remember the 60s, 70s and later decades, then you are well aware that the drug culture flourished and grew.  If your former boyfriend used when he came back, I would tell you that he was most likely to have used anyway.   Having been in the Marines and gone through recruit training during that decade, I find it impossible to believe he went there clean and came back a user.   What I would believe is, sometime after he left recruit training he got involved in drugs or, he was a recreational user prior to that and just didn't let you in on his secret.   Getting drugs while in recruit training?  Not only unlikely but, in my opinion impossible.  But then, you'd have to have gone through it to understand it.

[steve 3054]

One man's trash is another man's treasure...

[JimmyG]

Horse meat? Good stuff. Dog meat, stringy but not bad. Cat????? don't know. Ground hog, strong but edible for sure. Snake, mmmmmm good.   When out on a cut in Nam, the obcopter overhead showered down on an animal that was about the size of a big dog and long fur. One of the APC carriers retrieved it and he was an Alabama boy. I saundered up and asked what it was and he said,"I don't know", but I'm gonna skin it and eat it. I asked for a big slice of the hind quarter and got one. It tasted a lot like venison to me. The city kids about puked when we cut it up and ate it, but man it was good compared to what we had been eating. Sorry, no labeling was to be had, eat at your own risk BUT, if it says beef, I want it to be beef. 

[Patrick]

Dandelions ?!  Whats wrong with Dandelions ? We still pick them, they're great ! You have to get them before they blossom though. I don't like them cooked though. I make sandwiches out of them, raw with a little oil and vinegar.

Horsemeat ? Its good and it doesn't taste anything like chicken. As mentioned, it should be labeled as such and folks should know what they are eating.

I've always been surprised at the number of folks that won't eat anything unless it has a USDA stamp.

[Rams]

I've always been surprised at the number of folks that won't eat anything unless it has a USDA stamp.

Agreed, had a girlfriend like that once.      

That being said, I should never again have to explain that tatto.

[Hooter]

Dandelions ?!  Whats wrong with Dandelions ? We still pick them, they're great ! You have to get them before they blossom though. I don't like them cooked though. I make sandwiches out of them, raw with a little oil and vinegar.

Horsemeat ? Its good and it doesn't taste anything like chicken. As mentioned, it should be labeled as such and folks should know what they are eating.

I've always been surprised at the number of folks that won't eat anything unless it has a USDA stamp.

100% on the dandelions! Thats just the way to do it too...I still do. Even put them in a salad. My deceased father in law turned me on to watercrest too and that is good stuff. People in too big a hurry today to go fetch anything they can't get in the store.

[Highbinder]

You guys that talk about eating Mr. Ed are wrong, Mr. Ed was a Zebra...check it out....check it out sometime.

[bigguy]

I remember a guy close to Lawton Oklahoma back in the 60's who sold rabbit sausage. He eventually admitted to using some horse meat. He said it was about half and half because he used one horse per rabbit. 

[bigguy]

Dandelions ?!  Whats wrong with Dandelions ? We still pick them, they're great ! You have to get them before they blossom though. I don't like them cooked though. I make sandwiches out of them, raw with a little oil and vinegar.

Horsemeat ? Its good and it doesn't taste anything like chicken. As mentioned, it should be labeled as such and folks should know what they are eating.

I've always been surprised at the number of folks that won't eat anything unless it has a USDA stamp.

100% on the dandelions! Thats just the way to do it too...I still do. Even put them in a salad. My deceased father in law turned me on to watercrest too and that is good stuff. People in too big a hurry today to go fetch anything they can't get in the store.

OK, someone has to say it. Polk!

[dreamchaser]

#1) Dandelines (sp) Were brought to the US by Italian immagrants as a salad ingredient.*

#2) The US is probably the only country in the world that does not eat horsemeat as one of the meats available in the local market.


* I grew up in an Italian neighborhood in Illinois

[Patrick]

Dandelions actually were on the Mayflower and put in about every pilgrim garden. They were a staple in Europe and not here in this country, at that time anyway. Geez, now you've given me a hankering for some.

[Fritz The Cat]

You guys that talk about eating Mr. Ed are wrong, Mr. Ed was a Zebra...check it out....check it out sometime.

Yea, i remember reading that somewhere. 

[Hooter]

Dandelions actually were on the Mayflower and put in about every pilgrim garden. They were a staple in Europe and not here in this country, at that time anyway. Geez, now you've given me a hankering for some.

See, there  you go rattling up the immigration thing again! Isn't the horse meat thing Obama's fault? 

[Patrick]

See, there  you go rattling up the immigration thing again! Isn't the horse meat thing Obama's fault?  end quote

Hehehhe, and I thought it would be Bush's fault !  But, this did come up during obamas admin didn't it ? Hehehehe.

[czuch]

Caballo here in the great South West. I  photographed a Quinceira and they had a huge
chunk-o-meat on a open spit. Smelled a little different, I  figured it was the spices.
NOPE, Caballo. They laughed thinking I didnt know. It was great.
I have eaten off the land in the Phillipines with the Negritos on training.
Same everywhere I've been. 
HAHA there was a bar in Subic where they had the best soup/stew/bowl fulla stuff. I had 4 bowls and went to the head to leak. Looking through the cinder block at eye level into the kitchen I saw a trophy size rat eating from the same pot my stuff came outta.
I just went to a bar where you couldnt look into the kitchen.

[Patrick]

I just went to a bar where you couldnt look into the kitchen.end quote.
Thats a good tip ! And not just for joints in Subic. Sometimes the less you know, or see, the better. It can be pretty scary wandering thru the kitchens in the local neighborhood joints.

[Patrick]

Boy, after 42 years together it must be some sorta mental telepathy thing. JoAnn just walked in and said she felt like Dandelions so she stopped by Wegmans and bought some.

[bigguy]

Boy, after 42 years together it must be some sorta mental telepathy thing. JoAnn just walked in and said she felt like Dandelions so she stopped by Wegmans and bought some.

And of course you can always drink your dandelions.


No idea wether or not it goes well with horse meat.

[Hooter]

See, there  you go rattling up the immigration thing again! Isn't the horse meat thing Obama's fault?  end quote

Hehehhe, and I thought it would be Bush's fault !  But, this did come up during obamas admin didn't it ? Hehehehe.

   Sorry Patrick I could't resist....

[BF]

People DO eat some eat some strange chit.

Japanese food - Live Frog sushi

Eating a whole live octopus in Korea

There is no safe food in China

Man Eating Larvae/Bug - An Duong Dua - Ăn Đuông Dừa

[hotglue #43]

Some folks say" all red meat is bad for ya"   The real deal is that "green fuzzy meat is bad for ya"

[old2soon]

When i came off the base in the P I and over the crap river bridge into Olongapo there was all kinds of street vendors there. I was told and i have no reason to doubt that i was eating monkey meat. Fresh off a little charcoal grill-yumyumyum.  And as i remember i had some interesting fare in Japan and Hong Kong.    I haven't knowingly eaten horse meat but i would knowingly give it a try.  RIDE SAFE.

[bogator]

  HEY, one of the post --had Plantian in it ---that is a goood herb for a number of things, cuts- bruises - swelling -I can not name all of them ---look it up on google---you will be suprised--GOD BLESS---    OH -and horsemeat is good if cooked rite as is polksalet,the BIBLE says that all of the herbs are for us to eat ,the trouble with some meats is that ----they are full of  desease that is harmful to us.---

[czuch]

I have a friend who was restricted to the ship.
He crawled down a mooring line and swam the s&#t  river.
The girls didnt want much to do with him but he did get a shower and new clothes.
At Mast the Captain ordered him, "Two steps to the rear, MARCH". It was hilarious.
Yea, the monkey meat on a stick was hard to beat.

[Master Blaster]

You havent lived until you eat winter Kimpshi off a street vendor in Korea, or 1000 year old eggs in Taiwan.  The Taiwaneese loved Americans, Their dogs were well fed and fat.

[Patrick]

Yummm, rotten cabbage !  40 years and can still taste it. I'm not sure I could ever tell the taste difference between rats, cats, dogs, monkeys or anything else they called meat.

[hubcapsc]

You havent lived until you eat winter Kimpshi off a street vendor in Korea, or 1000 year old eggs in Taiwan.  The Taiwaneese loved Americans, Their dogs were well fed and fat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Century_egg