Is there really a God??

[bscrive]

Sandman, I don't share your belief but I respect your faith. I do strongly disagree that so-called atheist/evolutionists are held in check purely because of legal consequence. The flip side of that is the lumping of Christians into the same category of whatever negative pejorative you care to name simply because some people who profess to be Christians behave in morally reprehensible ways. It is simply an easy and careless way of categorization. Those who don't profess a belief in God or Heaven or an afterlife or whatever may (and often do) say adherents of religion have more of a fear of eternal damnation rather than a true moral compass and it may be true for some individuals but it is just as incorrect to assign such motives to all believers.

The fact is, many people try to do the right thing simply because doing right is the right thing to do, not because of any legal consequences here or in the hereafter. Doing right because it feels right is in no way the sole property of any one group regardless of belief. I don't shoot people because I don't want to kill anyone. I don't steal because stealing is wrong on a moral and ethical level and it matters little to me if you use a gun and it comes with a jail term or if you use a bank and gut someone's retirement for a six figure performance bonus. Wrong is wrong and there are a lot of wrongs that are legal and quite a few wrongs perpetrated on behalf of someone's belief in a creator.

I'd like to think that we can agree to disagree without trying categorize each other's adherence to law and morality in terms that diminish one another's personal moral code or sense of responsibility. Heaven and Hell may exist or they may be an invention of religion but regardless of belief we all are stuck on this planet together first.

I hope I don't sound harsh but I do have strong opinions on this subject. Just because I don't profess to be a Christian in no way means I lack the moral compass to act responsibly and ethically without the threat of prosecution to keep me in line. From my standpoint, your belief in eternal suffering and damnation makes prison look like a day at the beach.

+1 Good comment ShadowDragon 

Again Sandman you are not making sense.  Maybe it's the way you are wording it, I don't know. 

[SANDMAN5]

Shadowdragon, I didn't mean to imply that any atheist is liable to go out and
start killing just because nothing told him it's wrong. My point is that we have
the Bible to tell us what's right/wrong in God's eyes. I don't recall there ever
being a book for non-believers that tells them. Keep in mind, I spent several
years on your side of the fence, mainly because I grew up in a religious church.
Always telling us we were going to Hell if we didn't do better. It ran me away
from church (and God) for quite a while.
If I didn't believe that non-believers were Hell-bound would mean that I didn't
completely believe the Bible. The way Christians believe, according to the Bible,
there are only 2 choices for eternity...Heaven or Hell. God loves us enough that
He gives us our choice of where we want to go. Nobody decides for us and we
decide for ourselves only.
Again, bscrive, tell me where I don't make sense. Maybe I can re-word it. I've never
claimed to be the best at expressing my thoughts by typing on a keyboard.
To anyone interested, Joseph Prince, Andrew Wommack and others can do a much
better job of explaining some things than I ever could. But remember, just because
someone is on tv doesn't mean they're really teaching what the Bible says.

[bscrive]

Why is it so hard to believe that we are here because of a whole set of coincidences?  A lot can happen over billions of years.  A lot of different combinations can happen before something takes hold.  The creatures we have today will not be the same ones in a thousand or ten thousand years from now.  If god was so omnipotent, the creatures of the past million years would never need to happen.  Why aren't the dinosaurs still roaming the earth?  Creatures change/die out over the years, it's called evolution.  No god.  Isn't your god an atheist anyways?

Where did the matter for the universe come from? Really! Evolutionists do NOT have an answer.
Start at the very beginning. The Bible says God created everything from nothing. Evolution says
there was nothing and then nothing exploded. Huh? How can "nothing" explode? Another theory says
all the matter in the universe was at one time gathered together in a lump the size of the period at the end of this sentence. Where did the "lump" come from? They have no answer. Evolution says
ALL life on earth came from "pond scum". Plants, animals (including us) and every living thing started out in the water as algae. No, I'm not convinced of that....not even close. You contradict yourself
by using God and millions of years together. You can't believe both..at least as far as the age of the earth is concerned. Most of the dinosaurs died in Noah's flood. They are mentioned in the Bible, as is the ice age. Evolution has never been observed or proven. If you have PROOF of evolution the world
would sure like to know about it.

Sandman,

Here are why I said you are not making sense.

1. You said 'Where did the matter for the universe come from? Really! Evolutionists do NOT have an answer.  Start at the very beginning. The Bible says God created everything from nothing. Evolution says
there was nothing and then nothing exploded. Huh? How can "nothing" explode? Another theory says
all the matter in the universe was at one time gathered together in a lump the size of the period at the end of this sentence. Where did the "lump" come from? They have no answer'

"Energy cannot be created or destroyed, it can only be changed from one form to another." - Einstein. 

I don't know where you got that Evolutionists believe there was nothing before the big bang.  They have already discovered the origin of matter. From the big bang, (which led to the formation of the entire universe), subatomic particles- neutrons, protons and electrons were produced and assembled into atoms based on laws of physics. These primordial atoms were the predecessors of all atoms, which collided and fused to create the first element in existence- hydrogen 300,000,000 years after the initial explosion. Hydrogen atoms combined under these hot pressurized conditions to form helium, and then subsequent fusions created the heavier elements in existence today throughout the cosmos including our own planet.

Since matter cannot be created where did your god get it to create the universe?


2. You said 'You contradict yourself by using God and millions of years together. You can't believe both..at least as far as the age of the earth is concerned.'

I don't believe in god.  The earth is about 6 billion years old.  The bible is a collection of stories...nothing more.


3. You said 'Most of the dinosaurs died in Noah's flood. They are mentioned in the Bible, as is the ice age.'

Dinosaurs died off millions of years ago.  Proven through carbon dating.  Noah's ark - really?  If this was the case why do we have so many different variations of animals, reptiles, insects, etc.?  Do you really think that many creatures could fit in such a small boat.  I don't know about you but I have been on a lot of cruise ships which are much larger than Noah's ark and you could not get 1/1000 of the animals on all the cruise ships combined.  What about the animals in North America?  Why are they still here?  there was no one here according to your theory, why put any here?  Noah's family were the only humans left alive.  How did the blacks, Native Indians, Orientals get to be if we all then descended from his family less than 6000 years ago.  Ice age ended over 8000 years ago.  Where in the bible does it mention an ice age?  I never saw it mentioned.

4. You said 'If you have PROOF of evolution the world would sure like to know about it'

1.       the fossil record of change in earlier species
2.    the chemical and anatomical similarities of related life forms
3.    the geographic distribution of related species
4.     the recorded genetic changes in living organisms over many generations

As for Dinosaurs?  The bible mentions only two
1. Behemoth, which eats grass like an ox.
2. Leviathan -  a sea serpent

Don't see anything about a T-Rex, Triceratop, Raptor, etc.

Other than the bible, what proofs do you have of god?  'the world would sure like to know about it'.

[Xtracho]

To be able to say authoritatively there is no God one would have to know all things and to have searched all places.  For one to accomplish that one would have to be God.

[SANDMAN5]

You're only repeating yourself!! Let me hit my caps lock....
"FROM THE BIG BANG....." WHAT WENT BANG?!?! Get it?
YOU say the big bang led to the formation of the universe....well,
WHAT WAS BEFORE THE BIG BANG?!?!!?

Einstein was never wrong? Just because he/we can't destroy/create matter
in a lab doesn't mean it can't be done.
YOU used "God" and "millions of years" in the same sentence. Both cannot be correct.
Again with the dinosaurs and carbon dating. Carbon14 has a half-life of 5,000 years.
Stretching that out to a factor of 10, ANYTHING containing carbon14 CANNOT be more than
50,000 years old. Behemoth and Leviathan can mean several things. You seem to be stuck
on one interpretation. Do you really know that the Bible was written BEFORE terms like T-Rex
were even used? Even 'dinosaur' wasn't coined until the late 1800's.
Both the Bible and science agree that at one time ALL the continents were together. Science
says it took millions of years of tectonic shifting to get where we are now. Noah's flood made it
happen over a few months.
As to #4, you STILL haven't produced any proof, only theory. Go back and read the quote from
Dr Paterson, SENIOR PALEONTOLOGIST. He's studied fossils and archeological sites, not to mention
having dinner and talking 'shop' with others in the same field, attended lectures as a guest and as a speaker. He says "NOT ONE SUCH (TRANSITIONARY) FOSSIL EXISTS." Apparently there is ONE and you have it in your basement?
Again the "proof of God" comes up. I have exactly as much proof of God as you have disproof. But
that's an old story.  It's about belief.
Time for this thread to die. I'm not going to change your mind and you're sure not going to change mine. I'll even let you have the last word if it'll make you feel better...unless you actually come up with some evidence.

[.]

Sandman, bscrive, both of you chill out, stand down, AND GO TO YOUR ROOMS!

First off, the terms God and millions of year are not mutually exclusive, no matter how many times or how forcefully it is said. If you believe the Big Bang Theory, the whole thing took a long time. If you believe a literal translation of the Bible it only took six days but it doesn't say when so it could have been a long time but my understanding of the translation process leads me to believe some of the original Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic language may not have survived the translation intact and that not all Bible scholars agree with the notion the earth (not to mention the whole universe) is less than 7,000 years old. If you are going to lay claim to a belief and adherence to every word in the Bible, it might be good to make absolutely sure you know exactly what every word says and what it means. Or then again, it might be better not to know. The parts about killing disobedient children, Lot begging the homos (not making a judgement here, I happen to be a homo, but luckily of the lesbian persuasion) to rape his daughters instead of the angels, telling women to sit down, cover their heads, and shut up because the men are the real teachers and women only fit to mind the children, those are a little difficult for me to get behind. And that whole genocide in Canaan because God gave the Promised Land to the Hebrews and not those assholes who were there first, I don't know. But it's in there. If it's made up somebody else had to have done it, not me.

And bscrive, if you are going to try and start a fight, do your research first. Carbon 14 dating becomes pretty useless after 70,000 years which pretty much restricts its usefulness to man-made artifacts like pottery and the like. Even with all the recent advances in science we still haven't figured out how to make a dinosaur. That was just a movie. Three or four of them actually. Uranium 238, with a half-life of 4.5 billion years, has established the oldest known rocks to be 4.6 billion years old, which is how scientific theory has settled on the whole 4.6 billion candles on the cake notion.

It is not required that anyone believe the scientific theory of 4.5 billion years OR the literal interpretation of Genesis of six days six thousand years ago. Pick a number at random because it really doesn't matter. The earth is as old as it is no matter who believes what or who thinks they can prove what. I don't know the number and the earth doesn't care. It just keeps revolving around the sun like it always has and doesn't care about any of this. Pope Urban VIII decreed the earth was the center of the universe and had Galileo tried and convicted of heresy before the Roman Inquisition for proving otherwise and the earth didn't care. Turns out Galileo was right, Pope Urban was wrong, and the earth never missed a lick. It just kept revolving around the sun never worrying about retirement, wrinkles, or if global warming makes its butt look fat.

I'm happy to join into a reasoned, rational discussion of different beliefs be they of religion, politics, or even who makes the best chicken fried steak. That's one way we learn. But all we have proven with this discussion is that we are perfectly capable of taking the fact we don't agree with points of view we don't share and turning it into a pissing contest.

Now, go to your rooms. No dinner and no TV.

Maybe we should turn to safer, less controversial subjects. Hey, anybody up for a discussion on gun control? How about gay marriage? Mercy killing? Hello?

[Willow]

Maybe we should turn to safer, less controversial subjects. Hey, anybody up for a discussion on gun control? How about gay marriage? Mercy killing? Hello?

If you're going to discuss Hello you're going to do it all alone.  I will not abide the kind of rancor that sort of intercourse will embolden.   

[Serk]

intercourse

Hehhehheh... Willow said "intercourse"..... 

[Moonshot_1]

intercourse

Hehhehheh... Willow said "intercourse"..... 

Hello???  This post is worthless without pictures

[shortleg]

  I know when we hear these kind of stories that we
question the existence of God.
  I also know that as hard as it is to believe that things happen
for a reason. It may be that the child that lived will become one that
changes the world because of what happened to her parents.
  When we are riding and see some of the places that we see, how
can we help but believe that there is a God.
  When we see our children born and see their first smile and their
first I love you. I BELIVE .
   I have thanked God for all the people in my life, even when he calls
them home.
             Shortleg[Dave]

[.]

Maybe we should turn to safer, less controversial subjects. Hey, anybody up for a discussion on gun control? How about gay marriage? Mercy killing? Hello?

If you're going to discuss Hello you're going to do it all alone.  I will not abide the kind of rancor that sort of intercourse will embolden.   

I'm sorry. You're right.  Rancor that emboldens intercourse is far less satisfying than say, intercourse that develops naturally after a few rounds of drinks and a night at the chicken fights. I can imagine we've all seen any manner of mischief that starts with "Hello." I'll do better.

[Robert]

I thought about the condition of my soul today and I thought to myself it really is in a terrible mess. Who can I get to help clean it up and get things in order, as I thought, I said let me reach out to the religions and see who responds so as I called Buddha and Mohammed and Confucius no one answered the only thing I could do was look at what they had written. Oh there was so much to read with so many books but no one appeared. So I asked again who can help well I heard this voice oh it was so strong and promised me great things, so I asked the question, who are you, Satan he said. Is it true that you rule hell. He said yes, but I can also give you the kingdoms of the world if you will serve me. Something didn't feel right so I probed a little more and asked him what happens when I die, he said you will be with me in hell. What's it like he said its great we get to rule over all these people and inflict all kinds of pain on them and its really hot so you always be warm. I thought and another voice answered this voice was different it was soft yet commanding assuring and seemed so loving. I said who are you, Jesus, He replied, why haven't I heard from you sooner. He said My child I was there the day you were born, I stopped you from running out in front of that car when you were 3. I was always with you watching over you. I have never stopped being with you even in the time that you went to jail. I love you and have always loved you you were made in my image and I want to help you. I want to walk this life with you and can, by my blood make you whole and forgive you of all your sins. That sounds great I said but what's the cost? I have already paid the price and this is a gift. What's the catch, there is none, if you don't want to like salvation you can walk away. Why would you do that, I asked, because I knew you and formed you in your mothers womb I have great plans for you that you can only achieve with me walking with you. Why didn't I hear from anyone but you and Satan because my child they are not living. I have conquered the grave and death it has no hold on me and no one that walks with me. This is part of the gift. I asked, What happens if I get in trouble He said I will warn you and send my angles to protect you. You and the Holy Spirit will become great friends and share some real good times together. Will you always be with me? I asked, Yes I will till the end of your life and beyond. How do I do this? Just invite me in.

[Kidd]

Where do you think morals come from , they are based in religion .
This is what took man to the next step  away from a world of no morals
( murdering and stealing )  to one with morals , so like it or not  your right and wrong  thinking came directly from  religion and the sense of god

The fact is, many people try to do the right thing simply because doing right is the right thing to do, not because of any legal consequences here or in the hereafter. Doing right because it feels right is in no way the sole property of any one group regardless of belief. I don't shoot people because I don't want to kill anyone. I don't steal because stealing is wrong on a moral and ethical level and it matters little to me if you use a gun and it comes with a jail term or if you use a bank and gut someone's retirement for a six figure performance bonus. Wrong is wrong and there are a lot of wrongs that are legal and quite a few wrongs perpetrated on behalf of someone's belief in a creator.

[Robert]

We all here have a common interest and that is our love of riding. The question of God is not going to be settled here. So while science is still learning the tracks of where our creator has been it is for each to decide what path they will take. I can only give testimony to what I know of who He is and what He has done for me and others I have seen. We all know to have respect and caring for each other that not all share all the same opinions except one, that we all ride the best motorcycle ever made. In the differences we find creativity and new things just like the different places people ride. Thank you Lord for each and everyone of these talented guys who has made this board and life a little more interesting. Bless each one.

[Patrick]

I guess if the devil and the lord came and had a talk with me I'd have a different opinion about all this. Until then I'll keep studying and wondering. I guess life is made easier if you are either a believer or non-believer.

[Xtracho]

We all here have a common interest and that is our love of riding. The question of God is not going to be settled here. So while science is still learning the tracks of where our creator has been it is for each to decide what path they will take. I can only give testimony to what I know of who He is and what He has done for me and others I have seen. We all know to have respect and caring for each other that not all share all the same opinions except one, that we all ride the best motorcycle ever made. In the differences we find creativity and new things just like the different places people ride. Thank you Lord for each and everyone of these talented guys who has made this board and life a little more interesting. Bless each one.

Yup!!  ...agree wholeheartedly.

[bscrive]

Where do you think morals come from , they are based in religion .
This is what took man to the next step  away from a world of no morals
( murdering and stealing )  to one with morals , so like it or not  your right and wrong  thinking came directly from  religion and the sense of god

What a load of crap.  

Tell that to the muslims during the crusades, the people burned at the stake during the Salem witch trials, those killed during the inquisitions, people who died in Jericho, etc.

Religion is also THE cause of most of the wars in history.  Where is the morality in a religious war or any war?

[Robert]

Bscrive we would also have to tell that to Hitler and a few others 

[alph]

enough all ready!  i can't believe this stupid question has lasted so many days on this site!!  everyone believes what they want, you're not going to change anybody's opinion of it!!

i've been stuck in the fricking house for six god damn months, i want to ride my cycle but can't 'cause there's so much snow on the roads, and all i can do is read about some stupid post about "is there a god?"......  CRIPES!  ENOUGH!!

[Robert]

Millions of Americans know the story of the Ground Zero Cross, the twisted steel beams that fell from the wreckage of the World Trade Center on 9/11, beams in the shape of a cross.  Fewer, however, know that this cross is now at a different "Ground Zero" – Ground Zero of an atheist attack on our religious past, and our religious future.
Men cut replicas of the cross out of ruined steel and carried them in their pockets. Even Rich Sheirer, then New York's director of the Office of Emergency Management [and Jewish], appreciated the cross. "Intellectually, you knew it's just two pieces of steel, but you saw the impact it had on so many people, and you also knew it was more than steel," he says."

    As even more public spaces are cleansed of religious symbols – perhaps out of fear of lawsuits – future generations will receive a loud and clear message: There is something inherently offensive about faith.

In other words, the Ground Zero Cross is a real object, with real – indisputable – historic meaning in the aftermath of 9/11.

And that brings us to perhaps the less-famous and undoubtedly more bizarre part of the story. In 2011, a group called American Atheists sued the National September 11 Memorial & Museum in an effort to keep the cross out of the Museum.

Hurling invective at Christians, Christianity, and faith in general, these extraordinarily angry atheists even claimed the  mere existence of the Cross in the Museum caused them "dyspepsia" and "headaches."

After more than a year of litigation, a federal judge dismissed American Atheists' lawsuit, with the court noting: "The Museum's purpose is to tell the history surrounding September 11, and the cross ... helps tell part of that history." 

The court properly concluded that the cross did not violate the constitution. "No reasonable observer would view the artifact is endorsing Christianity," the court said. The fight isn't over, however, with the atheists vowing to appeal.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/04/08/angry-atheists-history-and-america-future/#ixzz2QAvx9bDd

[bscrive]

enough all ready!  i can't believe this stupid question has lasted so many days on this site!!  everyone believes what they want, you're not going to change anybody's opinion of it!!

i've been stuck in the fricking house for six god damn months, i want to ride my cycle but can't 'cause there's so much snow on the roads, and all i can do is read about some stupid post about "is there a god?"......  CRIPES!  ENOUGH!!

I got out on my bike the last 4 days if that makes you feel any better.  Supposed to get snow tonight though, about 6".  But I will be back on it this weekend once the temp warms back up.


Just on a side note Robert.  Those atheists need a kick in the nackers for trying to do that.

[Xtracho]

My experience has been that some atheists can be the most hateful, condescending, self-righteous human beings on the face of the earth. Calling themselves "free thinkers" as if to thump their chests because they were endowed with some sort of superior intellect...over and above all other living things.

Do I mean this as an invective towards those of that ilk that fit that description? Absolutely.

[Kidd]

maybe You are a pile of krap , you missed the point entirely

Where do you think morals come from , they are based in religion .
This is what took man to the next step  away from a world of no morals
( murdering and stealing )  to one with morals , so like it or not  your right and wrong  thinking came directly from  religion and the sense of god

What a load of crap.  

Tell that to the muslims during the crusades, the people burned at the stake during the Salem witch trials, those killed during the inquisitions, people who died in Jericho, etc.

Religion is also THE cause of most of the wars in history.  Where is the morality in a religious war or any war?

[Hooter]

  Well, I see that opinions and beliefs have changed thru this whole discussion, NOT. Be happy in  believing what you believe in. Give it up you guys, no one can win and nothing will change except respect.

[.]

intercourse

Hehhehheh... Willow said "intercourse"..... 

Hello???  This post is worthless without pictures

If you really want I suppose I could post some pictures. Don't know that you'd want to see them, though. 

Now really, are we STILL talking about this or has this turned into an endurance contest to see who can put up the last post before it gets locked?

[bscrive]

maybe You are a pile of krap , you missed the point entirely

Where do you think morals come from , they are based in religion .
This is what took man to the next step  away from a world of no morals
( murdering and stealing )  to one with morals , so like it or not  your right and wrong  thinking came directly from  religion and the sense of god

What a load of crap.  

Tell that to the muslims during the crusades, the people burned at the stake during the Salem witch trials, those killed during the inquisitions, people who died in Jericho, etc.

Religion is also THE cause of most of the wars in history.  Where is the morality in a religious war or any war?

No, I think you did not express yourself correctly.

Nice name calling, now go kiss your mother with that same mouth and get a life.

[MP]

Wow, bs, you were the first to use crap, then you accuse the other of potty mouth for the same word?

Not understanding that.

[bscrive]

MP, I was referring to his statement not the person, a difference that you seem to miss.  But, I will turn the other cheek for he knows not what he does...I guess. 

[Kidd]

 
You are soo sensitive

maybe You are a pile of krap , you missed the point entirely

Where do you think morals come from , they are based in religion .
This is what took man to the next step  away from a world of no morals
( murdering and stealing )  to one with morals , so like it or not  your right and wrong  thinking came directly from  religion and the sense of god

What a load of crap.  

Tell that to the muslims during the crusades, the people burned at the stake during the Salem witch trials, those killed during the inquisitions, people who died in Jericho, etc.

Religion is also THE cause of most of the wars in history.  Where is the morality in a religious war or any war?

No, I think you did not express yourself correctly.

Nice name calling, now go kiss your mother with that same mouth and get a life.

[Moonshot_1]

Now really, are we STILL talking about this or has this turned into an endurance contest to see who can put up the last post before it gets locked?
[/quote]


Nope, that would be the "Last word thread". Still extraordinarily active after more than 2 yrs.
Zyzzyvus.

[fudgie]

I really dont understand how one religion is better then the others. I was raised catholic and not sure what Kit was, but she is religous tho, and rolls her eyes at anything catholic. With all the different types, whose to say yours is right and is the only one?

Seems like lately there has been alot of 'new' churches popping up here in town. In the backs of old auto dealers, coffee houses, etc. To me thats weird.

There has been some sexual stuff going on in churches around here the last few yrs and I always tell Kit, and then she hits me, 'never trust a preacher with a boner'. 

[bscrive]

"There has been some sexual stuff going on in churches around here the last few yrs"

I think those are what you call strip joints.  But, maybe they are calling themselves churches these days to get the tax breaks.   

[SpidyJ]

I believe there is a God..........and it ain't me.

He gave us free will.......this is a part.

[fudgie]

"There has been some sexual stuff going on in churches around here the last few yrs"

I think those are what you call strip joints.  But, maybe they are calling themselves churches these days to get the tax breaks.   

I can say I have donated alot to that 'church'! Hell we go every week or two. 

[Moonshot_1]

"There has been some sexual stuff going on in churches around here the last few yrs"

I think those are what you call strip joints.  But, maybe they are calling themselves churches these days to get the tax breaks.   

Apparently I got this Church thing completely wrong. We've given the Church money for years and the Nuns NEVER take off their clothes. What am I doing wrong?

[fudgie]

"There has been some sexual stuff going on in churches around here the last few yrs"

I think those are what you call strip joints.  But, maybe they are calling themselves churches these days to get the tax breaks.   

Apparently I got this Church thing completely wrong. We've given the Church money for years and the Nuns NEVER take off their clothes. What am I doing wrong?

Count your blessings! 

[SANDMAN5]

Sandman, bscrive, both of you chill out, stand down, AND GO TO YOUR ROOMS!

First off, the terms God and millions of year are not mutually exclusive, no matter how many times or how forcefully it is said. If you believe the Big Bang Theory, the whole thing took a long time. If you believe a literal translation of the Bible it only took six days but it doesn't say when so it could have been a long time but my understanding of the translation process leads me to believe some of the original Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic language may not have survived the translation intact and that not all Bible scholars agree with the notion the earth (not to mention the whole universe) is less than 7,000 years old.

First, only my wife has the authority to send me to my room, but I know what you mean.
Second, according to the Bible, death entered the world through Adam and Eve's sin. So man
and dino's had to exist at the same time. Otherwise, before Adam and Eve did bad, there would
have been dino's that were millions of years old roaming around and gumming their food because
death wasn't part of life. Not all Bible scholars agree on everything in the Bible...true. But not
all scientists agree, either. "Evidence" doesn't tell us anything. We have to look at it and decide
for ourselves. 

[Chrisj CMA]

Sandman, bscrive, both of you chill out, stand down, AND GO TO YOUR ROOMS!

First off, the terms God and millions of year are not mutually exclusive, no matter how many times or how forcefully it is said. If you believe the Big Bang Theory, the whole thing took a long time. If you believe a literal translation of the Bible it only took six days but it doesn't say when so it could have been a long time but my understanding of the translation process leads me to believe some of the original Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic language may not have survived the translation intact and that not all Bible scholars agree with the notion the earth (not to mention the whole universe) is less than 7,000 years old.

First, only my wife has the authority to send me to my room, but I know what you mean.
Second, according to the Bible, death entered the world through Adam and Eve's sin. So man
and dino's had to exist at the same time. Otherwise, before Adam and Eve did bad, there would
have been dino's that were millions of years old roaming around and gumming their food because
death wasn't part of life. Not all Bible scholars agree on everything in the Bible...true. But not
all scientists agree, either. "Evidence" doesn't tell us anything. We have to look at it and decide
for ourselves. 

Either way.......the Bible and true science will always agree or at least be compatible.  God spoke the things he created into existance, but whose to say there wasnt a huge explosion necessary to form that with God spoke into existance.  You guys are batting around things that no one can know the answer for.  The only way to know is to ask God when you get there (if you make it to the no smoking section)

As far as dinosaurs......I personally do not believe man and dinos ever shared life on this Earth together.  I believe the dinos lived in a completely different chapter in Earths existance.........then God let the earth become void and without form for years and years, and then Genesis 1:1 

Thats just what I believe, I have no proof, and no one else has any proof for other theorys, and you know what, it doesnt really matter, what matters is God said it (the Bible) so its true.  Believe it or not.  The Gospel = Jesus died to pay the price for sin, rose to defeat Satan and death, ascended to the father to make a place for you if you believe.  The only thing that matters is  DO YOU BELIEVE?

[SANDMAN5]

As far as dinosaurs......I personally do not believe man and dinos ever shared life on this Earth together.  I believe the dinos lived in a completely different chapter in Earths existance.........then God let the earth become void and without form for years and years, and then Genesis 1:1

Just for fun, what do you base that on?

[Chrisj CMA]

As far as dinosaurs......I personally do not believe man and dinos ever shared life on this Earth together.  I believe the dinos lived in a completely different chapter in Earths existance.........then God let the earth become void and without form for years and years, and then Genesis 1:1

Just for fun, what do you base that on?

The general supposition that human kind is a few thousand years old and dinos are a few million.............indicates to me there is a fair chance the two never met.  I know the old, created in a state of maturity thing.........just proves we cant prove anything......And the first words of the Bible, the beginning of creation, it doesnt say there was nothing, there was something it was just kinda in  a state of limbo the way it soounds to me......you asked