no more ethanol in Florida

[98valk]

hopefully other states will soon follow. 

http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2013/06/florida-repeals-renewable-fuel-standard.html

[Patrick]

Well, this is one of the issues that Al Gore now says he was wrong about. He doesn't say that very loudly though. However, EPA, in its infinite wisdom is trying like hell to raise the content nationwide to 15% which makes perfect sense when it comes to governmental operations.
As soon as this ethanol fiasco is ever over, it'll be a whole lot better for everyone and everything.
So, with Florida doing the right thing, its just one more reason for me to move there permanently .

[steve 3054]

Ok.....great news....now how long before the carn stations stop adding it to the fuel????

[musclehead]

that's great but with everything there will be a price tag attached to it.
currently I'm paying 4.39 a gallon for the pure stuff, hopefully that price will drop  

[Michvalk]

I always thought that lower prices was the point of ethanol. Seems to me that ethanol was supposed to be the be-all-end-all of fuel. I'm sure the oil companies will gouge us more for straight gas if they get the chance

[solo1]

Congress is full of lawyers that don't know sh** about this.  "if it's a green idea it must be good!"  
Ethanol is a bad idea.

Another example is an asthma spray that I use.  Albuterol is a generic med that worked well and was cheap( about 5 bucks for one canister).   Along came the FEDS and they deemed that the miniscule amount of propellent use in the spray was damaging to the environment so they mandated HFA and now my cost is $40.00 for one(and that's my co-pay)  Albuterol is still generic but the new propellant caused all of the generic mfrs to bow out so now it's a monopoly.  Those @#$%^.

Both that and the ethanol mandate is a real sore spot with me.

[FLAVALK]

that's great but with everything there will be a price tag attached to it.
currently I'm paying 4.39 a gallon for the pure stuff, hopefully that price will drop  

Paid the exact same here in Orlando on Saturday.... 

Sure hope it drops

[old2soon]

Glad ya'll sheddin the corn.  Just before Memorial day here in in Mo. it went from like $3.30 a gal to $4.00 a gal.  It' back to around $3.35 a gal to around $3.70 a gal depending on where you go. The oil companies ARE NOT our friends. I expect it to go up AGAIN just before the 4th of July.  RIDE SAFE.

[Patrick]

Ethanol fuel may have been touted by some dumb-ass liberal news agencies as being cheaper just because it was being built from 'all natural and therefore green ' corn. But, we have really always been told by the folks that know this subject that it would be more expensive due to all the extra costs and labor which would also lead to the higher cost of anything that contained corn. Almost everything contains corn.
This change should lead to a reduction in cost at the pump, but, only time will tell whether that reduction will be passed down to us.

[musclehead]

I always thought that lower prices was the point of ethanol. Seems to me that ethanol was supposed to be the be-all-end-all of fuel. I'm sure the oil companies will gouge us more for straight gas if they get the chance

ethanol will end all your small engines , it's not good for orings, seals, oxygen sensors it'll cost more in the long run from the extra bucks shelled out to fix our rides 

[Jess from VA]

Bully for FL.   


Congress/EPA can pound ethanol... or drink it neat.

[Momz]

There is nothing wrong with ethanol fuel.
But E10 or E15 is not an exceptable fuel for todays internal cumbustion engines.

There are engines that run perfectly on pure ethanol,...but we don't have the facilities, infrastructure, and manufacturing capabilities to mass market the fuel or the vehicles that use ethanol.

As of this time (using current engine technology), blended fuels are simply a bad idea that went haywire.

[mmurffy03]

NEW JERSEY no ethanol  regular gas $3.27 a gallon

[BF]

Senator Matt Gaetz wrote and sponsored that bill. 

And I'm proud to say that Senator Matt Gaetz is my Senator and I'd like to think that my vote helped put him there. 

[Fudd]

I applaud Florida's initiative for getting rid of ethanol.

For those of you that aren't so lucky to live in Fla., there's an app for your iphone that might be helpful:

Pure Gas

I use it especially when taking trips on the Valkyrie.  From your present location, it gives a listing of ethanol free stations, starting with the closest to you.  When it's time to fuel up, I generally give it a try to see what's available near me, or in my direction of travel.  It gives you a turn-by-turn map to the non-ethanol station.

[Thunderbolt]

Thank you very much.  Our engines large and small will appreciate full power again.

[98valk]

There is nothing wrong with ethanol fuel.

THERE IS PLENTY WRONG. Please do some reading.

See Table 3, pg13
http://www.worldenergy.org/documents/annex4biofuelappscanada.pdf

i.e.
1) Higher particular HC
emissions, such as
acetaldehyde
(ethanal),
formaldehyde,
methane, ethylene
and acetone

2) Higher carcinogenic
evaporative emisions
(for the blends with
small-to-medium
ethanol fractions)

[fudgie]

I cant wait to use it when I cross the missisippi next month. I can tell a huge diff between eth and non eth. She runs better with the eth.  ???

[fudgie]

Congress is full of lawyers that don't know sh** about this.  "if it's a green idea it must be good!"  
Ethanol is a bad idea.

Another example is an asthma spray that I use.  Albuterol is a generic med that worked well and was cheap( about 5 bucks for one canister).   Along came the FEDS and they deemed that the miniscule amount of propellent use in the spray was damaging to the environment so they mandated HFA and now my cost is $40.00 for one(and that's my co-pay)  Albuterol is still generic but the new propellant caused all of the generic mfrs to bow out so now it's a monopoly.  Those @#$%^.

Both that and the ethanol mandate is a real sore spot with me.

Yup, happened about 3 yrs ago. I asked why the huge price increase and she said cause of the propellant.

[Jess from VA]

Yup, happened about 3 yrs ago. I asked why the huge price increase and she said cause of the propellant.

Actually, its because of a G bureaucrat.

[proimage1]

Senator Matt Gaetz wrote and sponsored that bill.  

And I'm proud to say that Senator Matt Gaetz is my Senator and I'd like to think that my vote helped put him there.  

Both of my kids went to High School with him and my daughter graduated with him !  His Dad's a good guy - I've known him for 20+ years !

[Xtracho]

All this whining about "oil companies gouging" and "oil companies are not our friends" is tiresome and mostly crapola. I'd like to bring some of you that are consistent whiners out here for just one hitch...that's all...just one hitch. So you could see what it takes to pull that crude out of the ground or ocean floor. I would think your perspective would change after you get a good dose of the equipment, expertise, manpower, and human sacrifice it takes for you to be able to stop at your favorite self serv pump and fill your tank.

The problem is the government and its desire that we continue to suck off the tit of the Middle East and whacko countries like Venezuela. Everytime OPEC gets a wild hair they increase the price of crude and that trickles down to eventually affect everyone at the pump. For every dollar we spend on fuel a significant percentage winds its way back to towel heads that are known to support and harbor terrorists.

Want lower gas prices? Then lobby the government to open up the vast domestic resources we have here in our own soil and inside our own 200 mile territorial limits offshore.

If not, then I suggest you quit whining, sell your bikes, cars, trucks, lawn mowers. Stop buying tires, quit buying groceries that are supplied by trucks that burn fossil fuels. Oh, and get off your computer too because the plastics in it were made with petroleum products.

Sorry for the rant. But I get a little testy when people go after the industry that has made it possible for me to feed and house my family for over 20 years. Especially when they have zero idea of what they're whining about.

[blastedbugler]

I am always surprised how cheap fuel is in the USA.
In Aussie fuel prices are about $ 1.45 litre ( =$ 5.50 US gallon ).
We have 4 types :-
E10 which is 10% ethanol
Regular unleaded = 91 octane
Premium unleaded = 95 octane
High performance unleaded = 98 octane
I have a 2002 Mazda Tribute which cant use E10.
I try to get at least 95 octane for the Valkyrie when I can.
Performance between 91 & 98 octane is noticeable in the bike as is fuel consumption.
Don ( Aussie )

[Patrick]

Xtracho makes a good point. I'm not too sure that many of us are complaining about the companies. My complaint is with the government. We should be drilling in this country, especially for natural gas. We can drill safely, cleanly and efficiently, put a lot people to work, boost the economy, etc.

[98valk]

I cant wait to use it when I cross the missisippi next month. I can tell a huge diff between eth and non eth. She runs better with the eth.  ???

then the bike might be running rich and down on power on non eth, since eth fuels lean out the mixture, the bike is now at a better air/fuel ratio for power and the area,temps, humitiy, etc., u are riding in. but if correctly tuned for the non eth the bike would make more power and get better mpg.

[musclehead]

All this whining about "oil companies gouging" and "oil companies are not our friends" is tiresome and mostly crapola. I'd like to bring some of you that are consistent whiners out here for just one hitch...that's all...just one hitch. So you could see what it takes to pull that crude out of the ground or ocean floor. I would think your perspective would change after you get a good dose of the equipment, expertise, manpower, and human sacrifice it takes for you to be able to stop at your favorite self serv pump and fill your tank.

The problem is the government and its desire that we continue to suck off the tit of the Middle East and whacko countries like Venezuela. Everytime OPEC gets a wild hair they increase the price of crude and that trickles down to eventually affect everyone at the pump. For every dollar we spend on fuel a significant percentage winds its way back to towel heads that are known to support and harbor terrorists.

Want lower gas prices? Then lobby the government to open up the vast domestic resources we have here in our own soil and inside our own 200 mile territorial limits offshore.

If not, then I suggest you quit whining, sell your bikes, cars, trucks, lawn mowers. Stop buying tires, quit buying groceries that are supplied by trucks that burn fossil fuels. Oh, and get off your computer too because the plastics in it were made with petroleum products.

Sorry for the rant. But I get a little testy when people go after the industry that has made it possible for me to feed and house my family for over 20 years. Especially when they have zero idea of what they're whining about.

but, but ,but the prez sez we only have 2% of the world's oil reserve
that is such a BIG FAT LIE! you Obama supporters need to review that statement he made some time ago. we have 2% of the known oil reserves BUT we have a suspected 25-28% of  oil in the world.
if we could drill for it and maybe open a new refinery or two our gas price would drop. this is what happens when you have a prez in his first term gets an energy secretary that would like to see gas at $10 a gallon. plus an economic policy of printing money at a rate that devalues every dime in your pocket.

[Robert]

The US is currently a oil exporting country so much so that there is a drop in the balance of trade numbers. The only reason our gas prices are so high now is greed. Congress is not letting the price of oil go up so companies are not building new refineries. So any talk of wars here or there and gas prices going higher is a lie. We have vast reserves that would  not require destroying our enviorment yet we cannot drill for it. Its a mix of reasons most not good. In the US we could be completely self supporting if we could stop all the bs. Natural gas is actually just burned off in some cases, why, not enough money.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-06-18/americans-exporting-more-oil-first-time-since-70s.html

Topping Saudis

Exports must expand to sustain the boom that increased U.S. production last year by the most since the first commercial well was drilled in 1859, said Robin West, chairman of the oil consulting firm PFC Energy. Output is putting the nation on pace to surpass Saudi Arabia as the world's largest producer by 2020, according to Energy Department data.

Advances such as hydraulic fracturing are leading to record production that may outstrip refinery capacity within 18 months to three years, said Benjamin Salisbury, a senior energy policy analyst at FBR Capital Markets Corp. in Arlington, Virginia. Net petroleum imports now account for about 40 percent of demand, down from 60 percent in 2005, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration, the Energy Department research unit.

[BF]

All this whining about "oil companies gouging" and "oil companies are not our friends" is tiresome and mostly crapola. I'd like to bring some of you that are consistent whiners out here for just one hitch...that's all...just one hitch. So you could see what it takes to pull that crude out of the ground or ocean floor. I would think your perspective would change after you get a good dose of the equipment, expertise, manpower, and human sacrifice it takes for you to be able to stop at your favorite self serv pump and fill your tank.

The problem is the government and its desire that we continue to suck off the tit of the Middle East and whacko countries like Venezuela. Everytime OPEC gets a wild hair they increase the price of crude and that trickles down to eventually affect everyone at the pump. For every dollar we spend on fuel a significant percentage winds its way back to towel heads that are known to support and harbor terrorists.

Want lower gas prices? Then lobby the government to open up the vast domestic resources we have here in our own soil and inside our own 200 mile territorial limits offshore.

If not, then I suggest you quit whining, sell your bikes, cars, trucks, lawn mowers. Stop buying tires, quit buying groceries that are supplied by trucks that burn fossil fuels. Oh, and get off your computer too because the plastics in it were made with petroleum products.

Sorry for the rant. But I get a little testy when people go after the industry that has made it possible for me to feed and house my family for over 20 years. Especially when they have zero idea of what they're whining about.

I agree with everything you've said.....except for one point.  Drilling 200 miles out in the Gulf of Mexico.  

As far as I'm concerned they can drill anywhere they want to except in or near the Eglin Gulf Test Range.  

That's 86 thousand square miles of water ranges that we simply can not afford to jeopardize.  Those water ranges are an invaluable military resourse that once gone simply can not be replaced.  

That water range is utilized by all branches of the military, not just the Air Force or just Eglin or Tyndall.  

The subject has been researched extensively and there is nowhere else that a water range or a land range of that scale can be duplicated.....either east coast or west coast because of environmental and/or encroachhment issues.  

I'm a drill baby drill kinda guy......and a build baby build some more refineries kinda guy too, except not in the Eglin Gulf Test Range.  

[musclehead]

The US is currently a oil exporting country so much so that there is a drop in the balance of trade numbers. The only reason our gas prices are so high now is greed. Congress is not letting the price of oil go up so companies are not building new refineries. So any talk of wars here or there and gas prices going higher is a lie. We have vast reserves that would  not require destroying our enviorment yet we cannot drill for it. Its a mix of reasons most not good. In the US we could be completely self supporting if we could stop all the bs. Natural gas is actually just burned off in some cases, why, not enough money.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-06-18/americans-exporting-more-oil-first-time-since-70s.html

Topping Saudis

Exports must expand to sustain the boom that increased U.S. production last year by the most since the first commercial well was drilled in 1859, said Robin West, chairman of the oil consulting firm PFC Energy. Output is putting the nation on pace to surpass Saudi Arabia as the world's largest producer by 2020, according to Energy Department data.

Advances such as hydraulic fracturing are leading to record production that may outstrip refinery capacity within 18 months to three years, said Benjamin Salisbury, a senior energy policy analyst at FBR Capital Markets Corp. in Arlington, Virginia. Net petroleum imports now account for about 40 percent of demand, down from 60 percent in 2005, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration, the Energy Department research unit.

we are exporting because of a weakened dollar 

[ricoman]

Had not seen that.
It didn't make our local paper, or if it did it was a buried story.
I'll believe it when I don't see the writing on the pump.
Lobbyists work at state levels too. I'm thinking there'll be some aguments and objections to delay it.
I would not be surprised to the the feds get their noses into it.
July 1 is pretty soon to bet refineries to come up with the Florida gas.
Ethanol is brought to you by the corn lobby as much as the tree huggers.

[fudgie]

I cant wait to use it when I cross the missisippi next month. I can tell a huge diff between eth and non eth. She runs better with the eth.  ???

then the bike might be running rich and down on power on non eth, since eth fuels lean out the mixture, the bike is now at a better air/fuel ratio for power and the area,temps, humitiy, etc., u are riding in. but if correctly tuned for the non eth the bike would make more power and get better mpg.

Not sure how to tune it up more then I already have. I get 32 mph now and get 30-31 with eth. And thats cause its run at around 80 mph.

[ricoman]

Not sure how to tune it up more then I already have. I get 32 mph now and get 30-31 with eth. And thats cause its run at around 80 mph.

now those are real world numbers, 31-38 (for non-IS)
if you get way better you are not going above 3000 rpm or you short shift
or you never get above 50

[robin]

NEW JERSEY no ethanol  regular gas $3.27 a gallon

Where in Jersey do you get no ethanol?
I'm in North Jersey and there is none out here at all!!!!!