Can you believe that Hillary Clinton

[Rams]

Of course you don't have to answer this, but answer it for yourself:  As a democrat blackrams, did you vote for President Obama in 2012?  Did you vote Democrat for your Senator and Representative?  Do you intend to vote for Hillary or one of her Democratic rivals?  If you don't agree with the democratic party, and you don't vote for democrats, you aren't really a democrat are you?  Just like there are RINOs there are DINOs.  

Daddie O,
You're correct, I don't have to respond but, I will say this, there are extremist within every party.  Who I voted for is my business just like who you voted for is yours.    Who I intend to vote for falls into the same category.   This I will say, I voted for who I thought was the best candidate as I will do in the next election.   I am sadden by the fact that we have such poor candidates as I felt we had in several elections.   Voting a "straight ticket" is not what I'm about.   I'm more about putting leadership in office that reflect my values as I am sure you also are interested in doing.   The difference appears to be, I expect myself and others to pull their own weight and not jump on the free ride wagon.   Those pulling the wagon are being overburdened by the free loaders.   This is not something I expect you to agree with based on what I have read written by you.   

My values do not include buying votes with enhanced entitlements, cell phones or Robin Hood tactics of stealing from those who have to give to those who won't earn for themselves.   I'll admit to not being a hard core dem as you "appear" to be but chose to stay with the Democrat Party hoping to change the party from within because it very obvious it won't change from pressure that's applied from outside.   I don't want to saddle our children, grand-children and following generations with debt we incur.   It's time to pay the piper, our "leadership" is a miserable failure.  I am not just limiting that to President Obama.  

[Skinhead]

Daddie O,
You're correct, I don't have to respond but, I will say this, there are extremist within every party.  Who I voted for is my business just like who you voted for is yours.    Who I intend to vote for falls into the same category.   This I will say, I voted for who I thought was the best candidate as I will do in the next election.   I am sadden by the fact that we have such poor candidates as I felt we had in several elections.   Voting a "straight ticket" is not what I'm about.   I'm more about putting leadership in office that reflect my values as I am sure you also are interested in doing.   The difference appears to be, I expect myself and others to pull their own weight and not jump on the free ride wagon.   Those pulling the wagon are being overburdened by the free loaders.   This is not something I expect you to agree with based on what I have read written by you.   

My values do not include buying votes with enhanced entitlements, cell phones or Robin Hood tactics of stealing from those who have to give to those who won't earn for themselves.   I'll admit to not being a hard core dem as you "appear" to be but chose to stay with the Democrat Party hoping to change the party from within because it very obvious it won't change from pressure that's applied from outside.   I don't want to saddle our children, grand-children and following generations with debt we incur.   It's time to pay the piper, our "leadership" is a miserable failure.  I am not just limiting that to President Obama.   

You sir are a Democrat I can agree with.  I wish there were more like you, maybe we wouldn't be in this current mess, and could focus our energy on improving our government and solving societal problems,  instead of quarreling, name calling, and finger pointing.  The first step is to elect some leaders with some integrity and backbone.

[..]

Daddie O,
You're correct, I don't have to respond but, I will say this, there are extremist within every party.  Who I voted for is my business just like who you voted for is yours.    Who I intend to vote for falls into the same category.   This I will say, I voted for who I thought was the best candidate as I will do in the next election.   I am sadden by the fact that we have such poor candidates as I felt we had in several elections.   Voting a "straight ticket" is not what I'm about.   I'm more about putting leadership in office that reflect my values as I am sure you also are interested in doing.   The difference appears to be, I expect myself and others to pull their own weight and not jump on the free ride wagon.   Those pulling the wagon are being overburdened by the free loaders.   This is not something I expect you to agree with based on what I have read written by you.   

My values do not include buying votes with enhanced entitlements, cell phones or Robin Hood tactics of stealing from those who have to give to those who won't earn for themselves.   I'll admit to not being a hard core dem as you "appear" to be but chose to stay with the Democrat Party hoping to change the party from within because it very obvious it won't change from pressure that's applied from outside.   I don't want to saddle our children, grand-children and following generations with debt we incur.   It's time to pay the piper, our "leadership" is a miserable failure.  I am not just limiting that to President Obama.   

You sir are a Democrat I can agree with.  I wish there were more like you, maybe we wouldn't be in this current mess, and could focus our energy on improving our government and solving societal problems,  instead of quarreling, name calling, and finger pointing.  The first step is to elect some leaders with some integrity and backbone.

Yerp. Across the board.

[G-Man]

Passed Health Care Reform

Passed the Stimulus

Passed Wall Street Reform

Ended the War in Iraq

Began Draw-down of Afghanistan Troops

Eliminated Osama bin Laden

Turned Around U.S. Auto Industry

Recapitalized Banks

Repealed "Don't Ask, Don't Tell"

Toppled Moammar Gaddafi

Reversed Bush Torture Policies

Kicked Banks Out of Federal Student Loan Program, Expanded Pell Grant Spending

Boosted Fuel Efficiency Standards

Extended unemployment insurance and cut payroll taxes

Increased Support for Veterans

Tightened Sanctions on Iran

Passed Credit Card Reforms

Signed Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act

Signed FDA Food Safety Modernization Act

Achieved New START Treaty

Expanded Wilderness and Watershed Protection

Passed Fair Sentencing Act

Trimmed and Reoriented Missile Defense

Began Post-Post-9/11 Military Build down

Invested Heavily in Renewable Technology

Cracked Down on Bad For-Profit Colleges

Improved School Nutrition

Expanded Hate Crimes Protections

Brokered Agreement for Speedy Compensation to Victims of Gulf Oil Spill

Created Recovery.gov

Signed 2009 Children's Health Insurance Authorization Act

Expanded Stem Cell Research

Killed the F-22

If you want a more extensive list here you go:  http://pleasecutthecrap.com/what-has-obama-done-since-january-20-2009/

Some of my posts poke fun and stir up the pot, but most offer arguments with facts backed up by links to the supporting articles.  I know many of the things in the list I presented you will disagree with, but these are the things the majority of the country are glad he has done.

Too funny!  I'll give you Bin Laden, but all of the others I can poke holes through like a tattered sweater.   

[musclehead]

Keep polishing those Hillary pejoratives.  You will have at least a good 3 more years of President Barack Obama and 8 years of President Hillary Clinton to use them!  

By the time their terms are over, the demographics of Texas will have it changed to a blue state, then no more Republicans in the White House.  Ever. Ever ever.

Write a letter to Mick Jagger and complain.  He lied to you.  Time is not on your side.  

You can just call me McDonalds, because I'm Lovin' It    ba-da-ba-ba-ba

trollin' trollin' trollin, keep the doggies trollin' RAWHIDE!

[Master Blaster]

Too funny!  I'll give you Bin Laden, but all of the others I can poke holes through like a tattered sweater.


Even that was Bushes fault.  After following up on intel that was gathered by the previous admin, he had to be goaded into approving the hit, he dithered for three days and the opportunity was almost blown.

[musclehead]

Passed Health Care Reform

Passed the Stimulusfat lotta good thats done

Passed Wall Street Reformand yet the MF Global fiasco still happened

Ended the War in Iraq

Began Draw-down of Afghanistan Troopson the bush timeline

Eliminated Osama bin Laden he did? personally?

Turned Around U.S. Auto Industryvery argueable

Recapitalized BanksI thought he wasn't elected to cater to fatcats on wall street

Repealed "Don't Ask, Don't Tell"yeah that was Clintons deal

Toppled Moammar Gaddafianother war?

Reversed Bush Torture Policies waterboarding isn't torture

Kicked Banks Out of Federal Student Loan Program, Expanded Pell Grant Spendingand now the gubmint gets to tell you what classes you can take

Boosted Fuel Efficiency Standardssmaller more economical death traps

Extended unemployment insurance and cut payroll taxeswhy don't we just extend unemployment indefinately?

Increased Support for Veteransshow me that, I'd like to see it

Tightened Sanctions on Iranwhoop-dee-do

Passed Credit Card Reformsreally, thats a big thing 

Signed Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act

Signed FDA Food Safety Modernization ActI likes me some safe food

Achieved New START Treatyhanded the ruskies everything they wanted

Expanded Wilderness and Watershed Protection more federal land grabbing

Passed Fair Sentencing Act

Trimmed and Reoriented Missile Defense

Began Post-Post-9/11 Military Build downemboldening our enemies

Invested Heavily in Renewable Technologythat's working out real well for spain

Cracked Down on Bad For-Profit Collegesdidn't touch the others that have increased tuition 100's of %

Improved School Nutrition800 calories for every student? that's as dumb as the ACA

Expanded Hate Crimes Protectionsany protection for black on white crimes?

Brokered Agreement for Speedy Compensation to Victims of Gulf Oil Spillfined the crap out of BP

Created Recovery.govexpansion of the federal government I didn't see that coming

Signed 2009 Children's Health Insurance Authorization Actnow your lazy kid can stay at home and mooch off of you for a few more years

Expanded Stem Cell Research

Killed the F-22we probably don't need the 22 or other extremely expensive high tech war gear.... who are we using it on currently?

If you want a more extensive list here you go:  http://pleasecutthecrap.com/what-has-obama-done-since-january-20-2009/

Some of my posts poke fun and stir up the pot, but most offer arguments with facts backed up by links to the supporting articles.  I know many of the things in the list I presented you will disagree with, but these are the things the majority of the country are glad he has done.

nearly everything he has done I disagree with. nothing any politician does exists in a vacuum, there will be fall out of some type....

[Daddie O]

I'm sure you are all quite proud of the fact that under the Obama administration the annual deficit has fallen from the 1.4 Trillion/yr under Bush down to 1.3 Trillion, then down to 1.1 Trillion, and now at 680 Billion.  Nearly 700 Billion a year less than when he took over!  To top it off it is still falling and expected to be lower next year!

I'm sure you will join me in celebrating the fiscal responsibility of the Obama administration.  No doubt this fiscal responsibility has earned blackrams vote since he is mainly concerned with the debt.  Are we at a balanced budget yet?  No.  Has the annual deficit been cut in half? Yes.  Let me guess, the 1.4 Trillion/yr deficit left to the Obama administration by the Bush administration after 8 years is Clinton's fault right?  The yearly reduction in our annual deficit has happened despite Obama instead of because of him right?

You don't notice the pattern of ballooning debt under Republican administrations (Reagan, Bush Sr, Bush Jr) and the drastic reduction of annual deficits under Democratic administrations (Clinton, Obama)?  Republicans borrow and spend, borrow and spend.  Democrats reduce spending and increase government revenue.  Of course they have had to borrow to pay Republican debts, but eventually they balance the books and run a surplus.  The Republicans have the nerve to borrow money, not only refuse to increase revenue to repay the borrowing, but even threaten to not pay back what they borrowed!!

[Daddie O]

Passed Health Care Reform

Passed the Stimulusfat lotta good thats done  PREVENTED A DEPRESSION

Passed Wall Street Reformand yet the MF Global fiasco still happened  PREVENTED IT HAPPENING IN THE FUTURE

Ended the War in Iraq  FOLLOWED THROUGH ON BUSH PLAN

Began Draw-down of Afghanistan Troopson the bush timeline ON HIS AND THE AFGHAN GOVERNMENT TIMELINE

Eliminated Osama bin Laden he did? personally? AS COMMANDER IN CHIEF HE MADE THE CALL WHEN THERE WAS ONLY A 50/50 CHANCE.

Turned Around U.S. Auto Industryvery argueable  NOT ARGUABLE, THEY WERE GOING BANKRUPT AND NOW HAVE RECORD PROFITS YEAR AFTER YEAR.

Recapitalized BanksI thought he wasn't elected to cater to fatcats on wall street IF NOT FOR RECAPITALIZING THE BANKS WE WOULD BE IN THE GREAT DEPRESSION 2

Repealed "Don't Ask, Don't Tell"yeah that was Clintons deal  CLINTON PASSED THAT AS PART OF A DEAL WITH REPUBLICANS.  IT WAS WHAT THEY ASKED FOR AND HE GAVE IN.

Toppled Moammar Gaddafianother war?  WITHOUT SETTING A SINGLE BOOT ON THE GROUND.

Reversed Bush Torture Policies waterboarding isn't torture  YES IT IS.

Kicked Banks Out of Federal Student Loan Program, Expanded Pell Grant Spendingand now the gubmint gets to tell you what classes you can take  FALSE.  YOU TAKE WHATEVER CLASSES YOU WANT.

Boosted Fuel Efficiency Standardssmaller more economical death traps  NOT SMALLER, JUST MORE EFFICIENT.

Extended unemployment insurance and cut payroll taxeswhy don't we just extend unemployment indefinately?  WHY WOULD WE DO THAT?

Increased Support for Veteransshow me that, I'd like to see it  INCREASED 2010 DEPT OF VETERAN AFFAIRS BUDGET BY 16% AND BY 10% MORE IN 2011.  ALSO SIGNED NEW GI BILL OFFERING $78 BILLION IN TUITION ASSISTANCE, AND PROVIDED MULTIPLE TAX CREDITS TO ENCOURAGE BUSINESSES TO HIRE VETERANS.

Tightened Sanctions on Iranwhoop-dee-do  YOU OPPOSE SANCTIONS ON IRAN?

Passed Credit Card Reformsreally, thats a big thing    PROHIBITS CREDIT CARD COMPANIES FROM RAISING RATES WITHOUT ADVANCE NOTIFICATION, MANDATES GRACE PERIOD ON INTEREST RATE INCREASES, AND STRICTLY LIMITS OVERDRAFT AND OTHER FEES.  AGAIN, DO YOU OPPOSE THIS?

Signed Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act

Signed FDA Food Safety Modernization ActI likes me some safe food  WE ALL DO.

Achieved New START Treatyhanded the ruskies everything they wanted  WE ALL WANT LESS NUKES.  WE HAVE MANY THOUSANDS MORE THAN ARE NEEDED TO WIPE THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE OFF THE PLANET.

Expanded Wilderness and Watershed Protection more federal land grabbing  PROTECTING LANDS FOR PUBLIC USE.

Passed Fair Sentencing Act

Trimmed and Reoriented Missile Defense

Began Post-Post-9/11 Military Build downemboldening our enemies  WE SPEND MORE THAN CHINA, RUSSIA, BRITAIN, FRANCE, GERMANY, JAPAN, SAUDI ARABIA, INDIA, ITALY, BRAZIL, SOUTH KOREA, AND AUSTRALIA (THE 12 HIGHEST SPENDERS BELOW US)....COMBINED!

Invested Heavily in Renewable Technologythat's working out real well for spain  94 PERCENT OF THE INVESTMENTS ARE STILL PERFORMING!  AN AMAZING TRACK RECORD ON INVESTMENT!

Cracked Down on Bad For-Profit Collegesdidn't touch the others that have increased tuition 100's of %  INCREASING TUITION IS A SIDE EFFECT OF REAGAN'S IDEA OF THE BLOCK GRANT.  TUITION HAS INCREASED EXPONENTIALLY SINCE THAT WENT INTO EFFECT.  COMMUNITY COLLEGE WAS FREE BEFORE THAT.

Improved School Nutrition800 calories for every student? that's as dumb as the ACA  DO YOU THINK CHILDREN SHOULD BE FED ULTRA HIGH CALORIE JUNK FOOD OR HEALTHY NUTRIENT DENSE FOODS?  800 CALORIES PER MEAL WOULD BE 2400 CALORIES A DAY!! FOR A CHILD!!!

Expanded Hate Crimes Protectionsany protection for black on white crimes?  YES

Brokered Agreement for Speedy Compensation to Victims of Gulf Oil Spillfined the crap out of BP  YOU OPPOSE THE FINING OF BRITISH PETROLEUM TO PAY FOR VICTIMS COMPENSATION?

Created Recovery.govexpansion of the federal government I didn't see that coming  THIS IS A WEBSITE TO TRACK AND REPORT FRAUD!  ARE YOU OPPOSED?

Signed 2009 Children's Health Insurance Authorization Actnow your lazy kid can stay at home and mooch off of you for a few more years  THIS ACT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HOW LONG A CHILD REMAINS ON YOUR HEALTHCARE.  I'M SORRY YOU THINK OF YOUR CHILDREN AS LAZY MOOCHERS.

Expanded Stem Cell Research

Killed the F-22we probably don't need the 22 or other extremely expensive high tech war gear.... who are we using it on currently?  THAT IS THE POINT.  THE F-22 COST MANY BILLIONS AND HAS NEVER BEEN USED.

If you want a more extensive list here you go:  http://pleasecutthecrap.com/what-has-obama-done-since-january-20-2009/

Some of my posts poke fun and stir up the pot, but most offer arguments with facts backed up by links to the supporting articles.  I know many of the things in the list I presented you will disagree with, but these are the things the majority of the country are glad he has done.

nearly everything he has done I disagree with. nothing any politician does exists in a vacuum, there will be fall out of some type....

[musclehead]

Passed Health Care Reform

Passed the Stimulusfat lotta good thats done  PREVENTED A DEPRESSION

Passed Wall Street Reformand yet the MF Global fiasco still happened  PREVENTED IT HAPPENING IN THE FUTURE

Ended the War in Iraq  FOLLOWED THROUGH ON BUSH PLAN

Began Draw-down of Afghanistan Troopson the bush timeline ON HIS AND THE AFGHAN GOVERNMENT TIMELINE

Eliminated Osama bin Laden he did? personally? AS COMMANDER IN CHIEF HE MADE THE CALL WHEN THERE WAS ONLY A 50/50 CHANCE.

Turned Around U.S. Auto Industryvery argueable  NOT ARGUABLE, THEY WERE GOING BANKRUPT AND NOW HAVE RECORD PROFITS YEAR AFTER YEAR.

Recapitalized BanksI thought he wasn't elected to cater to fatcats on wall street IF NOT FOR RECAPITALIZING THE BANKS WE WOULD BE IN THE GREAT DEPRESSION 2

Repealed "Don't Ask, Don't Tell"yeah that was Clintons deal  CLINTON PASSED THAT AS PART OF A DEAL WITH REPUBLICANS.  IT WAS WHAT THEY ASKED FOR AND HE GAVE IN.

Toppled Moammar Gaddafianother war?  WITHOUT SETTING A SINGLE BOOT ON THE GROUND.

Reversed Bush Torture Policies waterboarding isn't torture  YES IT IS.

Kicked Banks Out of Federal Student Loan Program, Expanded Pell Grant Spendingand now the gubmint gets to tell you what classes you can take  FALSE.  YOU TAKE WHATEVER CLASSES YOU WANT.

Boosted Fuel Efficiency Standardssmaller more economical death traps  NOT SMALLER, JUST MORE EFFICIENT.

Extended unemployment insurance and cut payroll taxeswhy don't we just extend unemployment indefinately?  WHY WOULD WE DO THAT?

Increased Support for Veteransshow me that, I'd like to see it  INCREASED 2010 DEPT OF VETERAN AFFAIRS BUDGET BY 16% AND BY 10% MORE IN 2011.  ALSO SIGNED NEW GI BILL OFFERING $78 BILLION IN TUITION ASSISTANCE, AND PROVIDED MULTIPLE TAX CREDITS TO ENCOURAGE BUSINESSES TO HIRE VETERANS.

Tightened Sanctions on Iranwhoop-dee-do  YOU OPPOSE SANCTIONS ON IRAN?

Passed Credit Card Reformsreally, thats a big thing    PROHIBITS CREDIT CARD COMPANIES FROM RAISING RATES WITHOUT ADVANCE NOTIFICATION, MANDATES GRACE PERIOD ON INTEREST RATE INCREASES, AND STRICTLY LIMITS OVERDRAFT AND OTHER FEES.  AGAIN, DO YOU OPPOSE THIS?

Signed Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act

Signed FDA Food Safety Modernization ActI likes me some safe food  WE ALL DO.

Achieved New START Treatyhanded the ruskies everything they wanted  WE ALL WANT LESS NUKES.  WE HAVE MANY THOUSANDS MORE THAN ARE NEEDED TO WIPE THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE OFF THE PLANET.

Expanded Wilderness and Watershed Protection more federal land grabbing  PROTECTING LANDS FOR PUBLIC USE.

Passed Fair Sentencing Act

Trimmed and Reoriented Missile Defense

Began Post-Post-9/11 Military Build downemboldening our enemies  WE SPEND MORE THAN CHINA, RUSSIA, BRITAIN, FRANCE, GERMANY, JAPAN, SAUDI ARABIA, INDIA, ITALY, BRAZIL, SOUTH KOREA, AND AUSTRALIA (THE 12 HIGHEST SPENDERS BELOW US)....COMBINED!

Invested Heavily in Renewable Technologythat's working out real well for spain  94 PERCENT OF THE INVESTMENTS ARE STILL PERFORMING!  AN AMAZING TRACK RECORD ON INVESTMENT!

Cracked Down on Bad For-Profit Collegesdidn't touch the others that have increased tuition 100's of %  INCREASING TUITION IS A SIDE EFFECT OF REAGAN'S IDEA OF THE BLOCK GRANT.  TUITION HAS INCREASED EXPONENTIALLY SINCE THAT WENT INTO EFFECT.  COMMUNITY COLLEGE WAS FREE BEFORE THAT.

Improved School Nutrition800 calories for every student? that's as dumb as the ACA  DO YOU THINK CHILDREN SHOULD BE FED ULTRA HIGH CALORIE JUNK FOOD OR HEALTHY NUTRIENT DENSE FOODS?  800 CALORIES PER MEAL WOULD BE 2400 CALORIES A DAY!! FOR A CHILD!!!

Expanded Hate Crimes Protectionsany protection for black on white crimes?  YES

Brokered Agreement for Speedy Compensation to Victims of Gulf Oil Spillfined the crap out of BP  YOU OPPOSE THE FINING OF BRITISH PETROLEUM TO PAY FOR VICTIMS COMPENSATION?

Created Recovery.govexpansion of the federal government I didn't see that coming  THIS IS A WEBSITE TO TRACK AND REPORT FRAUD!  ARE YOU OPPOSED?

Signed 2009 Children's Health Insurance Authorization Actnow your lazy kid can stay at home and mooch off of you for a few more years  THIS ACT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HOW LONG A CHILD REMAINS ON YOUR HEALTHCARE.  I'M SORRY YOU THINK OF YOUR CHILDREN AS LAZY MOOCHERS.

Expanded Stem Cell Research

Killed the F-22we probably don't need the 22 or other extremely expensive high tech war gear.... who are we using it on currently?  THAT IS THE POINT.  THE F-22 COST MANY BILLIONS AND HAS NEVER BEEN USED.

If you want a more extensive list here you go:  http://pleasecutthecrap.com/what-has-obama-done-since-january-20-2009/

Some of my posts poke fun and stir up the pot, but most offer arguments with facts backed up by links to the supporting articles.  I know many of the things in the list I presented you will disagree with, but these are the things the majority of the country are glad he has done.

nearly everything he has done I disagree with. nothing any politician does exists in a vacuum, there will be fall out of some type....

one point, water boarding isn't pleasant, but it is NOT "torture" the DOJ (that would be Obama's DOJ) sent him two reports detailing how it is not torture.

we water board 10,000 or more of our own troops every year as part of SERE training. do yourself a favor get educated before sounding off

[MP]

Wow.  What reasoning.  The reason the deficit is dropping is because of the sequester.  THAT cut spending.

Obama and the Democrats fought sequester going into effect tooth and nail, and are still trying to get rid of it.

Now that that has reduced spending, you and he are taking credit for it!

Typical.

MP

[Rams]

No doubt this fiscal responsibility has earned blackrams vote since he is mainly concerned with the debt.  Are we at a balanced budget yet?  No.  Has the annual deficit been cut in half? Yes.

Surely you jest.    As I replied to you in a previous thread, I won't argue the numbers, not because I agree but, because the truth is impossible to find.   You can pull numbers or I can pull numbers from all kinds of sources to support one side or another.   There is no doubt in my mind the Sequester has had a major effect on where our bank account stands now but, what numbers to trust?   Probably none of them.    

What I do believe (started to say know but, that would not be factual) is that this administration has done more to buy votes than any other administration in my life.   They have increased "entitlements" to previously unseen levels and have used every trick in the book to increase taxes and their Robin Hood tactics.   Please enlighten me on how all those entitlements are decreasing the national debt.    If those entitlements involved earning the entitlement, then I could lean toward supporting some of them but, I'm tired of the give away programs.   While I do support some or many of the planks in the Democratic platform, they really need to quit buying votes with "special" entitlement bribes and protect the entire national interest.   I realize you (apparently) learned fiscal accountability in a California school system but, I'd think the current state of fiscal affairs in CA would show you the fallacy of such a lack of fiscal accountability.    

I fully support a balanced Congress and Senate, I don't want the Dems or Repubs to have a super majority.   Obama's first term with Pelowsi and Reed leading their charge was very damaging to this nation.   Hopefully, some day you'll realize that.   Kentucky is primarily a Democrat dominated state, I have met Senator McConnell on several occasions, I personally don't care for the man or his tactics but, who I vote for will be the lesser of evils.   I don't expect the Dems to offer a valid candidate either.

[musclehead]

the lesser of two evils is always the way it is for us that are 'conservative'. why? because anyone we would gladly vote for is labeled 'extremist' by the media, and therefore mariginalized.

think I wanted to vote for romney?  I did, but I held my nose and crawled across 5 miles of glass to do so.

[Daddie O]

blackrams, I get my figures on the yearly deficit from the Dept. of the Treasury.  The sequestration (which both parties agreed to or it wouldn't even exist), was meant to be a negative that impels both sides to negotiate together.  The sequestration is 85.4 Billion in reduced spending total.  The deficit has been reduced by 700 Billion.  The annual deficit has been reduced by over 600 Billion dollars NOT including the sequestration.  What say you now?

[musclehead]

blackrams, I get my figures on the yearly deficit from the Dept. of the Treasury.  The sequestration (which both parties agreed to or it wouldn't even exist), was meant to be a negative that impels both sides to negotiate together.  The sequestration is 85.4 Billion in reduced spending total.  The deficit has been reduced by 700 Billion.  The annual deficit has been reduced by over 600 Billion dollars NOT including the sequestration.  What say you now?

I say it's still 775 BUHillion dollars, yeah the numbers are rolling backwards. I also say why has our deficit been over a trillion every year prior to this in Obama's tenure?
http://www.usdebtclock.org/

the sequestration is cutting spending most of us average folks see that as a positive

[musclehead]

I'm sure you are all quite proud of the fact that under the Obama administration the annual deficit has fallen from the 1.4 Trillion/yr under Bush down to 1.3 Trillion, then down to 1.1 Trillion, and now at 680 Billion.  Nearly 700 Billion a year less than when he took over!  To top it off it is still falling and expected to be lower next year!

I'm sure you will join me in celebrating the fiscal responsibility of the Obama administration.  No doubt this fiscal responsibility has earned blackrams vote since he is mainly concerned with the debt.  Are we at a balanced budget yet?  No.  Has the annual deficit been cut in half? Yes.  Let me guess, the 1.4 Trillion/yr deficit left to the Obama administration by the Bush administration after 8 years is Clinton's fault right?  The yearly reduction in our annual deficit has happened despite Obama instead of because of him right?

You don't notice the pattern of ballooning debt under Republican administrations (Reagan, Bush Sr, Bush Jr) and the drastic reduction of annual deficits under Democratic administrations (Clinton, Obama)?  Republicans borrow and spend, borrow and spend.  Democrats reduce spending and increase government revenue.  Of course they have had to borrow to pay Republican debts, but eventually they balance the books and run a surplus.  The Republicans have the nerve to borrow money, not only refuse to increase revenue to repay the borrowing, but even threaten to not pay back what they borrowed!!

dang it lost all my pithy remarks. clinton reigned in spending with a little help from newt and company....

[Serk]

the sequestration is cutting spending most of us average folks see that as a positive

Small correction - The sequester is NOT cutting spending. The sequester is reducing the size of increase in spending. Only in the bizarro world of DC could a reduction in an increase be considered a cut...

[musclehead]

I'm sure you are all quite proud of the fact that under the Obama administration the annual deficit has fallen from the 1.4 Trillion/yr under Bush down to 1.3 Trillion, then down to 1.1 Trillion, and now at 680 Billion.  Nearly 700 Billion a year less than when he took over!  To top it off it is still falling and expected to be lower next year!

I'm sure you will join me in celebrating the fiscal responsibility of the Obama administration.  No doubt this fiscal responsibility has earned blackrams vote since he is mainly concerned with the debt.  Are we at a balanced budget yet?  No.  Has the annual deficit been cut in half? Yes.  Let me guess, the 1.4 Trillion/yr deficit left to the Obama administration by the Bush administration after 8 years is Clinton's fault right?  The yearly reduction in our annual deficit has happened despite Obama instead of because of him right?

You don't notice the pattern of ballooning debt under Republican administrations (Reagan, Bush Sr, Bush Jr) and the drastic reduction of annual deficits under Democratic administrations (Clinton, Obama)?  Republicans borrow and spend, borrow and spend.  Democrats reduce spending and increase government revenue.  Of course they have had to borrow to pay Republican debts, but eventually they balance the books and run a surplus.  The Republicans have the nerve to borrow money, not only refuse to increase revenue to repay the borrowing, but even threaten to not pay back what they borrowed!!

mentioning fiscal responcibility and Obama in the same sentence will get you great laughs. you should try your hand at being a comedian. that or maybe rewritting history. bush's biggest deficit year was his last at 400 billion, way too much, but don't let that stop you from trying to tell us differently

dems tax and spend tax and spend. hmmm seeing a correlation?

what else happpened under the clinton administration? remember the mid terms? remember the first repub house in 40 years took over? remember the end of welfare as we know it? remember the triangulation that clinton did?

we remember things differently

[musclehead]

the sequestration is cutting spending most of us average folks see that as a positive

Small correction - The sequester is NOT cutting spending. The sequester is reducing the size of increase in spending. Only in the bizarro world of DC could a reduction in an increase be considered a cut...

ah yes... I knew it was a drop in the bucket, I forgot it was just a percentage of a drop in the bucket

[Patrick]

I'm sure you are all quite proud of the fact that under the Obama administration the annual deficit has fallen from the 1.4 Trillion/yr under Bush down to 1.3 Trillion, then down to 1.1 Trillion, and now at 680 Billion.  Nearly 700 Billion a year less than when he took over!  To top it off it is still falling and expected to be lower next year!

I'm sure you will join me in celebrating the fiscal responsibility of the Obama administration.  No doubt this fiscal responsibility has earned blackrams vote since he is mainly concerned with the debt.  Are we at a balanced budget yet?  No.  Has the annual deficit been cut in half? Yes.  Let me guess, the 1.4 Trillion/yr deficit left to the Obama administration by the Bush administration after 8 years is Clinton's fault right?  The yearly reduction in our annual deficit has happened despite Obama instead of because of him right?

You don't notice the pattern of ballooning debt under Republican administrations (Reagan, Bush Sr, Bush Jr) and the drastic reduction of annual deficits under Democratic administrations (Clinton, Obama)?  Republicans borrow and spend, borrow and spend.  Democrats reduce spending and increase government revenue.  Of course they have had to borrow to pay Republican debts, but eventually they balance the books and run a surplus.  The Republicans have the nerve to borrow money, not only refuse to increase revenue to repay the borrowing, but even threaten to not pay back what they borrowed!!

I'd say we have gotten off track as usual, but, lets see,
Clinton left us with a $5.8 trillion debt after his 8 years
Bush added $4.9 trillion in another 8 years with the war
obama in 4 years increased that total to $17 trillion

Yep, obama is doing a great job at reducing the debt.

But this would make perfect sense coming from someone in a state that is $618 billion in debt.

[Daddie O]

Let me help you with simple math.  Clinton was left a huge deficit by Reagan and Bush administrations.  Those Republicans are absolutely addicted to borrowing money.  Like crackheads with credit cards, they just can't get enough.  Clinton got the budget balanced, and actually got it so that we were taking in more money than we were spending!  Imagine that!  Having extra income to pay down the debt!  That doesn't mean all the debt was paid off by any stretch, but we werent spending more than we were taking in and we were starting to pay the debt down.  So by the time Bush Jr took over, there was still 5.8 Trillion in left over Republican debt to pay off.  Damn those Republicans sure know how to borrow!  So then comes Bush Jr.  like his father and his fathers boss before him, he had the jones to borrow borrow borrow, and not only that but spend far more than he is borrowing!  Why is it that Republicans just don't know how to spend within their means?  It's such a simple concept!  So Bush Jr borrows trillions and trillions more.  Nary a peep from the Republicans, since they absolutely adore borrowing and spending.  Absolutely drunk on power they cannot help themselves.  Borrow borrow borrow spend spend spend spend.  Does the Tea Party say wait a minute, we shouldn't spend more than we take in?  We don't want to saddle our kids with our debt.  No, they do not.  Republicans are perfectly fine with borrowing as much as possible.  

Then comes President Obama.  By your calculations Patrick there is already 10.7 Trillion dollars in deficit, and a 1.4 Trillion dollar annual deficit.  Do the math.  Add 1.4 Trillion X 4 years to the 10.7 Trillion and what do you get.  Is it 17 Trillion?  Amazing how that happened huh.  Could the democrats get the Republicans to agree to $1 of extra taxes for every $9 of spending cuts?  No, they couldn't.  So Obama had to do it with mostly spending cuts on his own.  He has gotten the 1.4 Trillion dollar a year deficit that you were all peachy with under Bush Jr down to 680 Billion.  

Another Democratic President working towards a balanced budget.  Deficit spending goes down dramatically (cut in half already!).  Let me guess, you would prefer another borrow and spend more than you take in Republican in the White House.  You adore Reagan and Bush Sr. and Bush Jr. because you think the best course of action is borrow borrow borrow borrow, spend spend spend spend.  You can't get over the urge to have the government spend more than they take in.  You love to see our deficit spiral out of control like it has under the past 3 Republican Presidents.  You just can't stand the fact that Democrats know how to reduce deficit spending until we have a surplus.

As far as California goes, we have a Democratic Governor.  This is why we finally have a balanced budget!  No more Governator!  Democrats prefer to spend within our means instead of borrow borrow borrow.  By the way, California pays $314 Billion dollars a year in taxes to the federal government.  California gets back only 78 cents on the dollar back from the fed.  Imagine if California got back 85 cents!  What a huge surplus we would have!  California is paying for the red states that can't pay their own way, and then people from those states have the nerve to point at California and say look at the bill you are running up! 

[musclehead]

Let me help you with simple math.  Clinton was left a huge deficit by Reagan and Bush administrations.  Those Republicans are absolutely addicted to borrowing money.  Like crackheads with credit cards, they just can't get enough.  Clinton got the budget balanced, and actually got it so that we were taking in more money than we were spending!  Imagine that!  Having extra income to pay down the debt!  That doesn't mean all the debt was paid off by any stretch, but we werent spending more than we were taking in and we were starting to pay the debt down.  So by the time Bush Jr took over, there was still 5.8 Trillion in left over Republican debt to pay off.  Damn those Republicans sure know how to borrow!  So then comes Bush Jr.  like his father and his fathers boss before him, he had the jones to borrow borrow borrow, and not only that but spend far more than he is borrowing!  Why is it that Republicans just don't know how to spend within their means?  It's such a simple concept!  So Bush Jr borrows trillions and trillions more.  Nary a peep from the Republicans, since they absolutely adore borrowing and spending.  Absolutely drunk on power they cannot help themselves.  Borrow borrow borrow spend spend spend spend.  Does the Tea Party say wait a minute, we shouldn't spend more than we take in?  We don't want to saddle our kids with our debt.  No, they do not.  Republicans are perfectly fine with borrowing as much as possible.  

Then comes President Obama.  By your calculations Patrick there is already 10.7 Trillion dollars in deficit, and a 1.4 Trillion dollar annual deficit.  Do the math.  Add 1.4 Trillion X 4 years to the 10.7 Trillion and what do you get.  Is it 17 Trillion?  Amazing how that happened huh.  Could the democrats get the Republicans to agree to $1 of extra taxes for every $9 of spending cuts?  No, they couldn't.  So Obama had to do it with mostly spending cuts on his own.  He has gotten the 1.4 Trillion dollar a year deficit that you were all peachy with under Bush Jr down to 680 Billion.  

Another Democratic President working towards a balanced budget.  Deficit spending goes down dramatically (cut in half already!).  Let me guess, you would prefer another borrow and spend more than you take in Republican in the White House.  You adore Reagan and Bush Sr. and Bush Jr. because you think the best course of action is borrow borrow borrow borrow, spend spend spend spend.  You can't get over the urge to have the government spend more than they take in.  You love to see our deficit spiral out of control like it has under the past 3 Republican Presidents.  You just can't stand the fact that Democrats know how to reduce deficit spending until we have a surplus.

As far as California goes, we have a Democratic Governor.  This is why we finally have a balanced budget!  No more Governator!  Democrats prefer to spend within our means instead of borrow borrow borrow.  By the way, California pays $314 Billion dollars a year in taxes to the federal government.  California gets back only 78 cents on the dollar back from the fed.  Imagine if California got back 85 cents!  What a huge surplus we would have!  California is paying for the red states that can't pay their own way, and then people from those states have the nerve to point at California and say look at the bill you are running up! 

keep re writing history, your getting good at it 

[Patrick]

Spoken like a true liberal, keep those rose colored glasses on.

The only reason Clinton signed a balanced budget amendment was because he had to. The republicans passed the act and Clinton knew they had the votes to override his veto. He's a good politician and knew he had to move to the middle because of his upcoming attempt at reelection, so he signed it. Just because there was a balanced budget for a couple years means nothing regarding the national debt, it just wasn't added to by the democrats for those years.
As for the reduction in spending, its been explained. It ain't a reduction by republican or any other normal thinking.
Your previous state leader was as liberal as they come, he was no republican, only a RINO. He was really a Kennedy. Look into who he was married to.

[MP]

Now I know what the term "crackhead" means in real life!  Far beyond Koolaid drinkers.

MP

[Rams]

blackrams, I get my figures on the yearly deficit from the Dept. of the Treasury. 
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What say you now?

ROTFLOL, what I say now?     What I say now is, I believe very little the liberal press, our leadership or the talking heads or what left coast liberals have to say.   The spin factory is up and running at full speed.   Doesn't matter what I say or really what you say, eventually, we're all going to have to learn speak some dialect from China anyway the way we're going.   The fact is, all these additional entitlements have to be paid for, eventually this house of cards is doomed to failure.   

[Patrick]

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/visualizing-americas-creditors



We are our own largest creditor, just ahead of China and Japan. But, we owe a lot to a lot of others.

[G-Man]

California is paying for the red states that can't pay their own way, and then people from those states have the nerve to point at California and say look at the bill you are running up! 

Second time you wrote this.  So, California is in debt because it has to pay for states that get more than they give. 

What does this sound like????????

Sounds like a bad economic strategy to me, yet this is the goal of Obama, the man himself.  Stand with him and fundamentally change the country to a redistrubitive entity.  Those that have and earn will support those that don't, until those that have go into debt to the tune of 17 trillion.

And this is what you support.   

This is what you defend.     

My allegiance is to no party or man, and if another administration stated this as their goal I would be just as furious.  You can give all the "lessons" you want, write long diatribes about nothing, but you still can't demonstrate how this is RIGHT.

[G-Man]

Those that receive more than they give do not care about the debt placed on those that pay.  At least it's not them paying, right?  The only time those receiving more that they give will care about the debt of the rest, is when it becomes too much to carry and their receiving abruptly stops.  You can look at every socialistic society and see that this is the case.  It always crashes.

I know, these guys will do it better because they read more books about it.

This administration has proven time and again that gov't doesn't have the best people in the appropriate positions.  Everything it does is riddled with scams, proven to be lies, too expensive, costs more than anticipated, has a bumpy rollout, needs to fixed over time.  Funny how this doesn't happen in the private sector.  Apple update the operating system on millions of cell phones around the world without a hitch.  And it didn't cost them billions.  Yet you keep defending?

I can give you a list of Bush accomplishments, probably longer than your list of Obamas, but I would never get on board with anything that I felt was detrimental to the country as you would, as you have demonstrated.  I would say that I hope you get what you are hoping for, but that would mean terrible things for my fellow countrymen.

[Skinhead]

Let me help you with simple math.  Clinton was left a huge deficit by Reagan and Bush administrations.  Those Republicans are absolutely addicted to borrowing money.  Like crackheads with credit cards, they just can't get enough.  Clinton got the budget balanced, and actually got it so that we were taking in more money than we were spending!  Imagine that!  Having extra income to pay down the debt!  That doesn't mean all the debt was paid off by any stretch, but we werent spending more than we were taking in and we were starting to pay the debt down.  So by the time Bush Jr took over, there was still 5.8 Trillion in left over Republican debt to pay off.  Damn those Republicans sure know how to borrow!  So then comes Bush Jr.  like his father and his fathers boss before him, he had the jones to borrow borrow borrow, and not only that but spend far more than he is borrowing!  Why is it that Republicans just don't know how to spend within their means?  It's such a simple concept!  So Bush Jr borrows trillions and trillions more.  Nary a peep from the Republicans, since they absolutely adore borrowing and spending.  Absolutely drunk on power they cannot help themselves.  Borrow borrow borrow spend spend spend spend.  Does the Tea Party say wait a minute, we shouldn't spend more than we take in?  We don't want to saddle our kids with our debt.  No, they do not.  Republicans are perfectly fine with borrowing as much as possible.  

I don't want to call you a fool, but if I remember right, there was not a TEA party in existance then.
Then comes President Obama.  By your calculations Patrick there is already 10.7 Trillion dollars in deficit, and a 1.4 Trillion dollar annual deficit.  Do the math.  Add 1.4 Trillion X 4 years to the 10.7 Trillion and what do you get.  Is it 17 Trillion?  Amazing how that happened huh.  Could the democrats get the Republicans to agree to $1 of extra taxes for every $9 of spending cuts?  No, they couldn't.  So Obama had to do it with mostly spending cuts on his own.  He has gotten the 1.4 Trillion dollar a year deficit that you were all peachy with under Bush Jr down to 680 Billion.  

Another Democratic President working towards a balanced budget.  Deficit spending goes down dramatically (cut in half already!).  Let me guess, you would prefer another borrow and spend more than you take in Republican in the White House.  You adore Reagan and Bush Sr. and Bush Jr. because you think the best course of action is borrow borrow borrow borrow, spend spend spend spend.  You can't get over the urge to have the government spend more than they take in.  You love to see our deficit spiral out of control like it has under the past 3 Republican Presidents.  You just can't stand the fact that Democrats know how to reduce deficit spending until we have a surplus.

As far as California goes, we have a Democratic Governor.  This is why we finally have a balanced budget!  No more Governator!  Democrats prefer to spend within our means instead of borrow borrow borrow.  By the way, California pays $314 Billion dollars a year in taxes to the federal government.  California gets back only 78 cents on the dollar back from the fed.  Imagine if California got back 85 cents!  What a huge surplus we would have!  California is paying for the red states that can't pay their own way, and then people from those states have the nerve to point at California and say look at the bill you are running up!  

[Chrisj CMA]

...Heck Carl, you probably voted 5-10 times for Obama and unless you un-register before you die you will probably be accredited with the same for the hillda-beast

I have two questions that come to mind.  Where on God's green Earth did that come from and what on God's green Earth is that supposed to mean?  

I should have said unless you are not a registered voter when you die you will be voting their way as many times as it takes even after you are 6 feet under

[Daddie O]

That is my point skinhead.  That NO TEA PARTY popped up to oppose the rampant overspending of the Bush administration.  So the TEA PARTY is obviously not about fiscal responsibility.  The TEA PARTY arose in response to a black man being president.  If they were concerned about fiscal responsibility they would have been a TEA PARTY that was opposed to out of control spending.  If they were about protecting the Constitution, they would have risen up as a TEA PARTY to oppose the suspension of Habeas Corpus, The Patriot Act, and the NSA snooping on our calls.  Did they?  No they didn't.  The Koch Brothers weren't financing them for that.

I find it an interesting paradox that the Republican Party claims to be interested in fiscal responsibility, and state's rights, and keeping the government small and out of peoples business, yet they borrow unprecedented amounts of money to expand government, and oppose the rights of states to legalize gay marriage.  They want the government involved in who we sleep with, who we marry, and what we do with our own bodies.  Doesn't really jibe with their claims does it?  Bush added 6 trillion in debt.  Do you think he was trying to destroy our country?  If not, then why do you think Obama is with his added 6 trillion?  Why do you not applaud the annual deficit being cut in half?  What if we don't even have an annual deficit by the time Obama is out of office, would you still be opposed to his fiscal policies?

[MP]

  The TEA PARTY arose in response to a black man being president. 

That is a load of crap.  Stop accusing the Tea Party of being racist.

Anytime anyone opposes a policy of this President, they are accused of being racist. 

Come up with something new.  Like, some of us actually want to curtail spending.  Does NOT make us racist.

MP

[Xtracho]

  The TEA PARTY arose in response to a black man being president. 

That is a load of crap.  Stop accusing the Tea Party of being racist.

Anytime anyone opposes a policy of this President, they are accused of being racist. 

Come up with something new.  Like, some of us actually want to curtail spending.  Does NOT make us racist.

MP

MP...he gets his playbook from Al Sharpton.

[MP]

  The TEA PARTY arose in response to a black man being president. 

That is a load of crap.  Stop accusing the Tea Party of being racist.

Anytime anyone opposes a policy of this President, they are accused of being racist. 

Come up with something new.  Like, some of us actually want to curtail spending.  Does NOT make us racist.

MP

MP...he gets his playbook from Al Sharpton.

LOL      Now I understand. EVERYTHING a conservative does is racist.

MP

[Rams]

Let me help you with simple math.  Clinton was left a huge deficit by Reagan and Bush administrations.  Those Republicans are absolutely addicted to borrowing money.  Like crackheads with credit cards, they just can't get enough.  Clinton got the budget balanced, and actually got it so that we were taking in more money than we were spending!  Imagine that!  Having extra income to pay down the debt!  That doesn't mean all the debt was paid off by any stretch, but we werent spending more than we were taking in and we were starting to pay the debt down.  So by the time Bush Jr took over, there was still 5.8 Trillion in left over Republican debt to pay off.  Damn those Republicans sure know how to borrow!  So then comes Bush Jr.  like his father and his fathers boss before him, he had the jones to borrow borrow borrow, and not only that but spend far more than he is borrowing!  Why is it that Republicans just don't know how to spend within their means?  It's such a simple concept!  So Bush Jr borrows trillions and trillions more.  Nary a peep from the Republicans, since they absolutely adore borrowing and spending.  Absolutely drunk on power they cannot help themselves.  Borrow borrow borrow spend spend spend spend.  Does the Tea Party say wait a minute, we shouldn't spend more than we take in?  We don't want to saddle our kids with our debt.  No, they do not.  Republicans are perfectly fine with borrowing as much as possible.  

Then comes President Obama.  By your calculations Patrick there is already 10.7 Trillion dollars in deficit, and a 1.4 Trillion dollar annual deficit.  Do the math.  Add 1.4 Trillion X 4 years to the 10.7 Trillion and what do you get.  Is it 17 Trillion?  Amazing how that happened huh.  Could the democrats get the Republicans to agree to $1 of extra taxes for every $9 of spending cuts?  No, they couldn't.  So Obama had to do it with mostly spending cuts on his own.  He has gotten the 1.4 Trillion dollar a year deficit that you were all peachy with under Bush Jr down to 680 Billion.  

Another Democratic President working towards a balanced budget.  Deficit spending goes down dramatically (cut in half already!).  Let me guess, you would prefer another borrow and spend more than you take in Republican in the White House.  You adore Reagan and Bush Sr. and Bush Jr. because you think the best course of action is borrow borrow borrow borrow, spend spend spend spend.  You can't get over the urge to have the government spend more than they take in.  You love to see our deficit spiral out of control like it has under the past 3 Republican Presidents.  You just can't stand the fact that Democrats know how to reduce deficit spending until we have a surplus.

As far as California goes, we have a Democratic Governor.  This is why we finally have a balanced budget!  No more Governator!  Democrats prefer to spend within our means instead of borrow borrow borrow.  By the way, California pays $314 Billion dollars a year in taxes to the federal government.  California gets back only 78 cents on the dollar back from the fed.  Imagine if California got back 85 cents!  What a huge surplus we would have!  California is paying for the red states that can't pay their own way, and then people from those states have the nerve to point at California and say look at the bill you are running up! 

I'm sure you believe everything you put in this post.   I just needed to quote it for future "I told you so" use.    BTW, do you speak Chinese?

[Daddie O]

The Tea Party could care less about curtailing spending.  Really, they could give a rats ass about it.  Proof positive is the Tea Party didn't exist when Bush ran up 6 Trillion in debt, and left with a 1.4 trillion annual deficit.  They wish he was still in office, they think his spending prowess was amazing.  If they were concerned about spending they would be running ads in every state proclaiming the greatness of Obama in literally halving spending already.

Yes the Tea Party are racists.  From their signs that make Obama look like a monkey and tell him to go back to Africa, or call him a Halfrican, to the effigies of him eating watermelon, to their questioning his birth certificate, it is a party based purely on racism and nothing else.

[Rams]

The Tea Party could care less about curtailing spending.  Really, they could give a rats ass about it.  Proof positive is the Tea Party didn't exist when Bush ran up 6 Trillion in debt, and left with a 1.4 trillion annual deficit.  They wish he was still in office, they think his spending prowess was amazing.  If they were concerned about spending they would be running ads in every state proclaiming the greatness of Obama in literally halving spending already.

Yes the Tea Party are racists.  From their signs that make Obama look like a monkey and tell him to go back to Africa, or call him a Halfrican, to the effigies of him eating watermelon, to their questioning his birth certificate, it is a party based purely on racism and nothing else.

Wow, you went back for seconds when they set up the kool aide stand didn't ya?   Stand back and try to open up your mind to other possibilities.    I'm not saying you're wrong about everything but, my lord you really sucked up a trough full.   

During the last election cycle, I was totally against Rand Paul but, he got elected anyway.   Now, I fully support his efforts to hold back the tide.   I think he's probably wasting his time but, I respect his effort.   There is a point we simply can not go beyond.   I fear we've already past that point but I hope I'm wrong.   There are some good democrats and some good republican.   And, although you don't appear to agree, there are even some good tea partiers.     

[Moonshot_1]

The Tea Party could care less about curtailing spending.  Really, they could give a rats ass about it.  Proof positive is the Tea Party didn't exist when Bush ran up 6 Trillion in debt, and left with a 1.4 trillion annual deficit.  They wish he was still in office, they think his spending prowess was amazing.  If they were concerned about spending they would be running ads in every state proclaiming the greatness of Obama in literally halving spending already.

Yes the Tea Party are racists.  From their signs that make Obama look like a monkey and tell him to go back to Africa, or call him a Halfrican, to the effigies of him eating watermelon, to their questioning his birth certificate, it is a party based purely on racism and nothing else.

Wow, you went back for seconds when they set up the kool aide stand didn't ya?   Stand back and try to open up your mind to other possibilities.    I'm not saying you're wrong about everything but, my lord you really sucked up a trough full.   

During the last election cycle, I was totally against Rand Paul but, he got elected anyway.   Now, I fully support his efforts to hold back the tide.   I think he's probably wasting his time but, I respect his effort.   There is a point we simply can not go beyond.   I fear we've already past that point but I hope I'm wrong.   There are some good democrats and some good republican.   And, although you don't appear to agree, there are even some good tea partiers.     

In our universe, and it must be noted that time travel is yet beyond human capability, the Tea Party came into existence in 2004. http://www.teaparty.org/about-us/  The Tea Party has railed, from the start, against runaway spending and debt. At the time, in this particular universe, George W. Bush was the President of the United States.

Now, of course, this is in our universe and supported by logic and facts. Other universes apparently may vary.

[Jess from VA]

When will you guys stop feeding the troll?

Are you glad you read any of his posts?

Do you enjoy the discussion? 

Did you learn anything?

If a tree falls in the forest, and no one is there to hear it (or respond), does it make any noise?   

[Moonshot_1]

How do you know no one is there to hear it? You're not there. ???