Update to the wrecked-camaro-zl1, couldn't find the orignal thread

[BigAlOfMD]

http://www.autoblog.com/2014/01/15/wrecked-camaro-zl1-new-replacement/?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000588

[MAD6Gun]

 They should get a new car. It wasn't the couples fault that a employee wrecked their car. I hope the employee is now a EX-employee.

Years ago when I worked in the service dept of a Pontiac dealer. We had a cleaning company that came in to clean the dealer. One of the kids that were cleaning the showroom decided that brand new WS6 Trans Am 6 speed inside should sound real nice. So he got in and started it up. What he failed to do was put in in Neutral BEFORE he let out the clutch and proceeded to drive it through one of the showroom windows. Needless to say he was not employed at that company anymore.

[Patrick]

It appears to me that First State is an ass, and, wrong. Since when is an employer not responsible for its employee's actions. It only stands to reason with me that First State needs to resolve the problem with the vehicle owner and take action against its employee.

[R J]

Hey Mark (mad6gun), doesn't your dealership have signs all over the store that says something to the effect, you are leaving your vehicle here is at your own risk?

The Pontiac, and  the Ford dealers I drove shuttle for had those signs.    Never had anyone tear up a vehicle that I know of so don't know how it would work out if one did get demolished.

I agree, the employee should be held accountable and fired.

[Bighead]

Well if the Employee snuck in on the week end with no one knowing it,I assume the dealer was closed,so the guy should be charged with Grand theft made to pay for a new car and locked in the slammer for 5/10 and let him think about it.

[Willow]

Hey Mark (mad6gun), doesn't your dealership have signs all over the store that says something to the effect, you are leaving your vehicle here is at your own risk?

A business can put up all the signs it wants but doesn't change the way things are.  The law backs up that if it's mine and something happens to it in someone else's possession that someone else is responsible.

[Patrick]

Hey Mark (mad6gun), doesn't your dealership have signs all over the store that says something to the effect, you are leaving your vehicle here is at your own risk?

A business can put up all the signs it wants but doesn't change the way things are.  The law backs up that if it's mine and something happens to it in someone else's possession that someone else is responsible.

Yepper !

[f6john]

    Makes you wonder how the owners/management can be smart enough to rise to their position of owning and running a multimillion dollar business and don't see the down side to their decision to cheap out on resolving this problem. I'll bet that their advertising budget well exceeds the cost of a ZL1.

[MAD6Gun]

Hey Mark (mad6gun), doesn't your dealership have signs all over the store that says something to the effect, you are leaving your vehicle here is at your own risk?

The Pontiac, and  the Ford dealers I drove shuttle for had those signs.    Never had anyone tear up a vehicle that I know of so don't know how it would work out if one did get demolished.

I agree, the employee should be held accountable and fired.

Yea they did RJ. But in the case I was talking about the car belonged to the dealer and this kid wrecked it when he was not supposed to even in it. In the OP article I think the dealer and the Employee are responsible for the damage to the car. Cars get damaged all the time. Crap happens. Hell I was kneeling on the floor working on a HHR. I put my arm on the fender to support myself when I got up and dented the thing. (damn cars these days are made out of pop cans).We had to take care of it. I would not matter if we had those signs or not. If a car gets damaged we are responsible. Try and explain to a customer that you damaged their car with "opps,so sorry we are not going to fix it". See how far that gets you...

[R J]

Hey Mark (mad6gun), doesn't your dealership have signs all over the store that says something to the effect, you are leaving your vehicle here is at your own risk?

The Pontiac, and  the Ford dealers I drove shuttle for had those signs.    Never had anyone tear up a vehicle that I know of so don't know how it would work out if one did get demolished.

I agree, the employee should be held accountable and fired.

Yea they did RJ. But in the case I was talking about the car belonged to the dealer and this kid wrecked it when he was not supposed to even in it. In the OP article I think the dealer and the Employee are responsible for the damage to the car. Cars get damaged all the time. Crap happens. Hell I was kneeling on the floor working on a HHR. I put my arm on the fender to support myself when I got up and dented the thing. (damn cars these days are made out of pop cans).We had to take care of it. I would not matter if we had those signs or not. If a car gets damaged we are responsible. Try and explain to a customer that you damaged their car with "opps,so sorry we are not going to fix it". See how far that gets you...

Yupper, I see where you and Gunny are right.    I guess I must have speed read that 1st entry to quick.

In that case the owner of the store would be liable.   That is what he carrries insurance for I'd think.

I know the kids shop he is insured for stuff like that.    In fact the front desk gal went after a customers car out front and got hit broadside bringing it around.   Ended up his insurance had to fix 2 vehicles.    He/we supplied the guy with a loaner till it was fixed.    The other car, he drove it off, so we didn't do anything with him.

I reread out sign, it says, not responsible for articles left in the car in view, or something to that nature.

[G-Man]

Worked at a Chrysler-Plymouth dealer in Sunrise FL for a bit.  A brand new New Yorker was being lifted.  When the lift reached it maximum height, the car bounced a little and one of the sliding thingies in the front shifted outward and the car came down on its nose.  The car was there fir its first oil change.  The dealer got him a brand new car.  Nobody was even blamed for it.  The lift was fixed and life went on.

At a Pontiac dealership in NY, I was delivering a brand new car to the new owner who showed up with her kids and balloons.  As it was winter time, I delivered the car to her in the shop.  When we finished, I pulled the car up to the roll-up door, got out and pressed the button to lift the door.  It was an old lift and I had to stand there and hold the button until it reached a good height or all the way up.  While I'm holding the button, I hear a clattering noise from the pulley overhead and I released the button.  I told my boss who needed to hear it for himself and pressed the button.  Sure enough, the pulley breaks loose and smashes the sunroof of the brand new car that hasn't even left the dealership yet.  The woman had a new car the following week and this car had the sunroof replaced, a little bodywork and paint, and was sold to someone else who never knew the difference.