LED headlight drop in replacement for H4

[Cliff]

http://www.electricalconnection.com/other-lighting/led-hl-h4.htm

Anyone here familiar with these??

The LED is finally able to produce enough light to be a viable headlight bulb.  Instead of placing surface mount LEDs around in a circle, our design uses dual 180 degree CREE emitters on both the top and bottom of the 'bulb'.  The center of the LEDs are in exactly the same place as where light comes from in a standard Halogen bulb.  So what does that mean?  It means that the light projected from the LED array will hit the headlight reflector exactly the same way your halogen bulb does.  This is important.

The regulated power supply uses an H4 connector and is plug and play to the bike.  This unit supplies power to both the LED array and the fan.  The fan is simply to create a small amount of air flow, not to chill.  The fan screws on to the back of the 'bulb'.  A spacer is included for the fan to keep the blades clear of the headlights rubber cover.

The LED design is instant on, no flicker and unaffected by temperature and power cycling (when your headlight is turned off by pressing the starter button).

So how does it compare to the stock Halogen bulb?

halogen=  lumens  1050  amps 5  watts 55

LED = lumens 1800 amps 2  watts 25
amps 5 2
watts 55 25

Available in single or dual.   

[BF]

Intresting, but kinda $pendy. 

Where does the fan go?  Total package looks simple enough, and everything else I get, but I don't see how the fan would mount. 

[Gryphon Rider]

Where does the fan go?  Total package looks simple enough, and everything else I get, but I don't see how the fan would mount. 

See the slots between the yellow LED and the base of the "bulb"?  That's the fan.

[brian1726]

I bought a hid kit for my 2000 std but haven't installed it yet.
In the meantime I have done the 90/130watt h/light mod.
cheers...
Brian 

[BF]

Where does the fan go?  Total package looks simple enough, and everything else I get, but I don't see how the fan would mount. 

See the slots between the yellow LED and the base of the "bulb"?  That's the fan.

I could be wrong, but that thing in the background mounted on that flat washer with the plug sticking up in the air sure looks like a micro fan to me. 

[fordmano]

I am with BF on this one, the slots/fins on the bulb/LED itself look like vent slots for the air from the fan to pass through..

I would love to see one in action or read someones review prior to making that jump, they are a bit spendy... more light is almost ALWAYS better.

[pancho]

It seems that the fan will mount directly behind the lamp,, because the H4 plug does not go into the "lamp" itaelf, there is room like it says, under the rubber boot. It does seem as if the setup would allow contamination into the headlight housing which would eventually cause fogging or dusty conditions....  I would want to know that I could completely seal the area before I jumped.

It says that the fan is just for air movement,,, but without the H4 plug being inserted into the rear of the lamp, there is airflow from the outside to the inside of the reflector.  Not sure I could go for that.

[Ricky-D]

I think the statement about the light from the LED hitting the reflector is true, but is not at all representative of a standard light bulb output hitting the reflector. While a standard light bulb would be a 360° illumination onto the reflector, the LED is only a fraction of that!

The standard reflector is designed for a standard light bulb and directs the light is a very specific pattern and direction, accordingly from the exact and specific source of the light ray.

Most all LED light on cars (if not all) are of a projector type light and if you look closely at them there is a small (comparatively speaking) lens from which all of the light is emitted.

I just don't see how the standard reflector on a Valkyrie would be able to accurately reflect the light from an LED in a truly useful manner consistent with that of the standard headlight bulb.

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[BF]

It would be far better if someone else would drop the bucks for it and then let the rest of know how it went.  

[Len]

Until something better comes along I will stick with my H.I.D. conversion kit.  The entire setup fits inside the headlight assembly of my standard.

I also agree with BF, that black/silver assembly looks like a micro fan.  If the fan was inside the bulb assembly it should not require additional space.  Just my thoughts.

[BF]

Until something better comes along I will stick with my H.I.D. conversion kit.  The entire setup fits inside the headlight assembly of my standard.

I also agree with BF, that black/silver assembly looks like a micro fan.  If the fan was inside the bulb assembly it should not require additional space.  Just my thoughts.

For a hobby, I used to play around with R/C....and the fan and the plug on it looks like the fans used on some electronic speed controls. 

[bentwrench]

I have the the Kury/trucklite leds in my light bar.Pricey,but they throw alot of white daylight out there and they don't burn out like H3 or par 36 55 watt bulbs do.The light is close to hid 5-6k in color.
If this led has better life than the silverstars I get 8-9 mos. out of they might be worth it.

[GeoffreyB]

I'd be very interested in finding out if this works for our Valks.  My neighbor just put an HID kit in his VTX, and it's VERY bright - and cost him about as much as this LED kit.

[Gryphon Rider]

Yeah, I didn't look terrible closely at the picture when incorrectly identifying the fan.

One thing that concerns me is that it doesn't appear that there are separate high and low beam LEDs.  It looks as though it is only a low beam.  If there is a high beam LED on the other side, it is only making use of half of the reflector, unlike a standard halogen H4.  An halogen bulb uses the forward-most element for low beam and has it shielded on the bottom side to reflect of of only the top half of the reflector, sending all the light low on the road.  (The light pattern reverses itself vertically at some point forward of the motorcycle so that the top half of the reflector is sending light down, while the bottom half sends light up.)  The rear-most element is unshielded, allowing the top and bottom halves of the reflector to be used to project light above and below the light's centre line.  IF the LED bulb were designed for an identical light pattern, I would expect to see two LEDs on the top and one on the bottom.

[Ken Tarver]

I got the DDM Tuning HID kit , $37.50

http://www.ddmtuning.com/Products/DDM-35W-55W-Single-HiLo-Motorcycle-HID-Kit

i went with the 35w kit, 5000k color bulb, white light

Ken

[bikerboy1951]

I just got off the phone with a tech from Electrical Connection.  The fan just blows against the back of the bulb.  No air enters through the slots that you can see from the front of the bulb.  Both leds light on low beam both leds get brighter when you switch to high beam.
The power supply measures 2 1/2" x 2" X 5/8".
The set up is more expensive than a regular bulb.  The difference is that a led bulb does not burn out.  They eventually get dimmer with age.
I am going to order one and install it when it get a little warmer in sunny ND.

Brad

[Gryphon Rider]

Both leds light on low beam both leds get brighter when you switch to high beam.

If that is true, then their web information is blowing smoke when it says, "The center of the LEDs are in exactly the same place as where light comes from in a standard Halogen bulb.  So what does that mean?  It means that the light projected from the LED array will hit the headlight reflector exactly the same way your halogen bulb does.  This is important."

So, it either uses the low beam pattern or the high beam pattern, or something in-between, which makes it less than ideal.  That's too bad.  I guess I have to wait longer for a proper H4 LED that actually uses the same optics as an H4 halogen bulb.

Thanks for asking them, bikerboy1951.

[BF]

I just got off the phone with a tech from Electrical Connection.  The fan just blows against the back of the bulb.  No air enters through the slots that you can see from the front of the bulb.  Both leds light on low beam both leds get brighter when you switch to high beam.
The power supply measures 2 1/2" x 2" X 5/8".
The set up is more expensive than a regular bulb.  The difference is that a led bulb does not burn out.  They eventually get dimmer with age.
I am going to order one and install it when it get a little warmer in sunny ND.

Brad

When you thaw out enough to install it later this year  please take plenty of pics and post them up here with your install and let the rest of us know how it went and what you think of it.   

[PhredValk]

I doubt this would work with my modulators so no thanx.
Fred.

[Tx Bohemian]

WARNING:  I have read posts at other forums where some cops have a hardon for cars with super bright HID's.  Don't know the law on these deals but when in Texas you may get a visit from the DPS when out on the road.

I Hope!!!

IMO there ought to be a law!!

These super bright lights have got to be the MOST annoying thing on cars/bikes today!!!

I'm reading these posts with interest cause I'm going to install those HID lights on my vehicles as fog/running lights and flip them on when oncoming cars are coming at me with these blinding lights!!

Total inconsideration of your fellow drivers!!

And worse yet when there's doofs that not only has these in their headlights but also as the fog/running lights and has them all shining, whether it's foggy or not!!

[Gryphon Rider]

And worse yet when there's doofs that not only has these in their headlights but also as the fog/running lights and has them all shining, whether it's foggy or not!!

I find those helpful.  To me they're like a warning sign that says, "Caution, idiot driver approaching!"

[Dozer]

WARNING:  I have read posts at other forums where some cops have a hardon for cars with super bright HID's.  Don't know the law on these deals but when in Texas you may get a visit from the DPS when out on the road.

I Hope!!!

IMO there ought to be a law!!

These super bright lights have got to be the MOST annoying thing on cars/bikes today!!!

I'm reading these posts with interest cause I'm going to install those HID lights on my vehicles as fog/running lights and flip them on when oncoming cars are coming at me with these blinding lights!!

Total inconsideration of your fellow drivers!!

And worse yet when there's doofs that not only has these in their headlights but also as the fog/running lights and has them all shining, whether it's foggy or not!!

Probably NOT a good idea. You'll blind the offending butthead and he'll run into you! 

[bikerboy1951]

I found them on Ebay which are identical to the Electrical Connection ones.  I installed one in my standard today and it is BRIGHT.  Took about 5 minutes put it together and install it in the headlight shell.  It is both high and low beam as advertised.  The item number if interested is 261395264826.
There will be naysayers, but to each his own.  I think the brightness and increased visibility is worth it.  I split the box with a fellow Valk rider, so the cost is no more than a high quality PIAA bulb.

Brad

[icemanisintexas]

So I have a question. When you installed this LED headlight did you also keep the bulb reflector piece in the headlight as well or did it have to be removed?

[icemanisintexas]

Something else I forgot to ask is do you have any pictures of the inside of the headlight bucket after you installed it? What about the rubber boot that covers the backside of the bulb? Could you still use it because won't the length of the backside of the light and the attached fan inhibit the re-installation of the rubber boot?

[97BLKVALK]

Holy Bright Light Batman!

Had the the lady out for a ride today and found out I have a gas fume smell coming from under the tank, better check out soon. 

Bikerboy1951 stopped by Friday as I was stuck at work (too many hours this week for sure) and installed the LED.

WOW  WOW  WOW!  did I say WOW that's bright. 

I do most of my riding during the day and early evening, but decided to see what the LED on low beam would look like on the yard after dark.

Wow.  Thanks Brad for finding the LED and a bigger thanks for the install, the next dinner is on me for install and the checks in the mail for the bulb.

Michael

WOW

[Valkorado]

Something else I forgot to ask is do you have any pictures of the inside of the headlight bucket after you installed it? What about the rubber boot that covers the backside of the bulb? Could you still use it because won't the length of the backside of the light and the attached fan inhibit the re-installation of the rubber boot?

Enquiring minds want to know.

[pancho]

Also, is there any problem with the extra length of the lamp and fan assembly?? What about room in the bucket with the power supply?  Like Valkorado asks....  how about a picture in the bucket?

[mmvalk]

see my post on this topic..

http://www.valkyrieforum.com/bbs/index.php/topic,67209.msg655408.html#msg655408 

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[mmvalk]

second attempt...

[blackvalkyrie]

Hi biker boy...now that you've had this kit for awhile I wanted to see how you like it? Also, i put your part # into ebay and it popped up as a Cree LED Car Auto Headlight Lamp Fog Light.. is that the same one? One more question.. i like your rear turns...are they led?? thanks for your time!

I found them on Ebay which are identical to the Electrical Connection ones.  I installed one in my standard today and it is BRIGHT.  Took about 5 minutes put it together and install it in the headlight shell.  It is both high and low beam as advertised.  The item number if interested is 261395264826.
There will be naysayers, but to each his own.  I think the brightness and increased visibility is worth it.  I split the box with a fellow Valk rider, so the cost is no more than a high quality PIAA bulb.

Brad

[bikerboy1951]

It is listed on EBay as a headlight fog lamp kit.  I think it is perfect.  Very bright during the day and lights up the night.  The new Valkyrie, most of the Harleys and more and more cars are going to the led headlights.  The install is fast and easy.  So far I have found no down side to them.

Brad