Buddy Holly

[GiG]

This day has always held special significance for me.


CHEERS,
~GiG~

[T-Bird]

THE DAY THE MUSIC DIED

[john]

I was only seven               ???                  what a drag

[Patrick]

Unfortunate needless accident. Sad.

[GiG]

59 years ago today:

Buddy Holly's last show was FEB 2 (NOT Feb 3 - that is when the plane was found)... 
 

Happy Candlemas to all.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candlemas

Candlemas, also known as the Feast of the Presentation of Our Lord Jesus and the Feast of the Purification of the Blessed Virgin Mary, is a Christian Holy Day commemorating the presentation of Jesus at the Temple. It is based upon the account of the presentation of Jesus in Luke 2:22-40. In accordance with Leviticus 12: a woman was to be presented for purification by sacrifice 33 days after a boy's circumcision. It falls on February 2, which is traditionally the 40th day of the Christmas–Epiphany season.[1] While it is customary for Christians in some countries to remove their Christmas decorations on Twelfth Night (Epiphany Eve),[2] those in other Christian countries historically remove them on Candlemas.[3][4] On Candlemas, many Christians (especially Anglicans, Methodists, Lutherans, Orthodox and Roman Catholics) also bring their candles to their local church, where they are blessed and then used for the rest of the year;[5][6] for Christians, these blessed candles serve as a symbol of Jesus Christ, who referred to himself as the Light of the World.

The Feast of the Presentation is one of the oldest feasts of the Christian church, celebrated since the 4th century AD in Jerusalem. There are sermons on the Feast by the bishops Methodius of Patara (died 312), Cyril of Jerusalem (died 360), Gregory the Theologian (died 389), Amphilochius of Iconium (died 394), Gregory of Nyssa (died 400), and John Chrysostom (died 407). It is also mentioned in the pilgrimage of Egeria (381–384), where she confirmed that the celebrations took place in honor of the presentation of Jesus at the Temple.

XXVI. [The Purification of the Blessed Virgin Mary.] But certainly the Feast of the Purification is celebrated here with the greatest honour. On this day there is a procession to the Anastasis; all go in procession, and all things are done in order with great joy, just as at Easter. All the priests preach, and also the bishop, always treating of that passage of the Gospel106 where, on the fortieth day, Joseph and Mary brought the Lord into the Temple, and Simeon and Anna the prophetess, the daughter of Famuhel, saw Him, and of the words which they said when they saw the Lord, and of the offerings which the parents presented. And when all things have been celebrated in order as is customary, the sacrament is administered, and so the people are dismissed.[8]

Christmas was, in the West, celebrated on December 25 from at least the year AD 354 when it was fixed by Pope Liberius. Forty days after December 25 is February 2. In the Eastern parts of the Roman Empire, Roman consul Justin established the celebration of the Hypapante on February 2, AD 521.

Pope Gelasius I (492–496) contributed to the spread of the celebration, but clearly did not invent it. Moreover, the link made by Cardinal Baronius between the presentation of Jesus and Lupercalia is probably inaccurate since Lupercalia was not celebrated in Jerusalem and it was only there that one finds some celebrations of the presentation of Jesus around this date. But it appears that it became important around the time of the Plague of Justinian in 541, before slowly spreading West. The ancient Romans celebrated the Lupercalia in mid-February, in honor of Lupercus, the god of fertility and shepherds. The celebration of Feralia occurred at the same time.

The Lupercalia have frequently been linked to the presentation of Jesus at the temple, particularly by Cardinal Cesare Baronio in the 16th century[9][10] especially because of the theme of purification that the two festivals share. In fact, Pope Gelasius I had much earlier written a letter to a senator Andromachus, who wanted to reestablish the Lupercalia for the purpose of purification, and the so-called Gelasian Sacramentary mentions the celebration of the Presentation of Jesus, lending support to the conclusion that Gelasius substituted a Christian festival for a pagan one. However the Gelasian Sacramentary shows a strong Gallican influence and was actually compiled between AD 628 and AD 731, so it is possible that the addition of the celebration was not due to Pope Gelasius at all. Moreover, when Gelasius addressed Andromachus, he did not try to use his authority, but contented himself to arguing for example that the Lupercalia would no longer have the effect it once had and was incompatible with Christian ideals.[9] This could be interpreted as evidence that he had limited influence on the Roman aristocracy.

[MarkT]

This is interesting.  Read this - all of it.  I never knew American Pie had such deep meaning.  Explains why it has stood the test of time so well.

http://understandingamericanpie.com/

[ridingron]

I liked that song for awhile. But after feeling beaten over the head by the massive air play, I changed stations when ever it was played. I like several other Don McLean songs.

[f6gal]

The Crickets weren't at that venue, were they?

[Ken aka Oil Burner]

This is interesting.  Read this - all of it.  I never knew American Pie had such deep meaning.  Explains why it has stood the test of time so well.

http://understandingamericanpie.com/

Very interesting article. Reading the intro pages, it felt like our current situation is similar to the 50s 60s transition, but obviously not the same. It really seems that the world, and the USA specifically, is headed down paths that we'll never be able to return from. The "values" I grew up with have changed; dramatically. I never thought we'd get to a point where how many genders there are would be a question.

Sorry; wasn't trying to derail the thread. Just an observation I had from the link. As Mark said, I had no idea there was such depth to the song. I always thought it was a catchy tune, but not a whole lot more than that.

[MarkT]

Go to the links on the interp of the lyrics too, if you didn't already.  Also. there are links on this page at the bottom, Other's interps and discussions on the meanings in the lyrics. If you lived through this decade - 1959-70 - this is some deep and significant stuff.  Interesting.

http://understandingamericanpie.com/links.htm

[Ken aka Oil Burner]

I did read all of the linked pages as well, Mark. I did find it very intriguing.

I was born in 1973, so my only experience through that time period is with TV show reruns 

[Serk]

I was born in 1973

Woot! I'm not the youngest one around here anymore!!! Finally!!

[Ken aka Oil Burner]

I was born in 1973

Woot! I'm not the youngest one around here anymore!!! Finally!!

I'm the youngest at 44?   Damn. I guess the Valkyrie isn't a young guy's dream anymore like it was for me. Either that, or the younger ones are only on the Facebook page. Well, I enjoy the board. I found my (mostly right-leaning) political family. I came just for the motorcycles, but enjoy the rest too.

[fudgie]

I was born in 1973

Woot! I'm not the youngest one around here anymore!!! Finally!!

I'm the youngest at 44?   Damn. I guess the Valkyrie isn't a young guy's dream anymore like it was for me. Either that, or the younger ones are only on the Facebook page. Well, I enjoy the board. I found my (mostly right-leaning) political family. I came just for the motorcycles, but enjoy the rest too.

Nope theres a lot younger here. Im 41 and had my Valk since I was 24/25.

[fudgie]

Go to the links on the interp of the lyrics too, if you didn't already.  Also. there are links on this page at the bottom, Other's interps and discussions on the meanings in the lyrics. If you lived through this decade - 1959-70 - this is some deep and significant stuff.  Interesting.

http://understandingamericanpie.com/links.htm

Thx for the read! 

[MP]

The Crickets weren't at that venue, were they?

No. Waylon Jennings was playing for him. Luckily he was on the bus. It took him years to get over a joking comment to Buddy, that he hoped the plane crashed! (Because he was going in the cold bus)

[bill-jr]

37 here ....

[f6gal]

The Crickets weren't at that venue, were they?

No. Waylon Jennings was playing for him. Luckily he was on the bus. It took him years to get over a joking comment to Buddy, that he hoped the plane crashed! (Because he was going in the cold bus)

I was asking because Gig's poster says Buddy Holly and the Crickets.  Seemed odd since they weren't on the tour.

[f6gal]

37 here ....

I'm 29.... have been for years.   

[MP]

The Crickets weren't at that venue, were they?

No. Waylon Jennings was playing for him. Luckily he was on the bus. It took him years to get over a joking comment to Buddy, that he hoped the plane crashed! (Because he was going in the cold bus)

I was asking because Gig's poster says Buddy Holly and the Crickets.  Seemed odd since they weren't on the tour.

They had just been replaced, and I imagine the posters we're printed before that happened.

[Ken aka Oil Burner]

I'm 29.... have been for years.   

HaHaHa.  Love it. I like how you think. I've been 25 for 19 years now.

[Wizzard]

Because of that accident, (which I remember) a very young Bob Dylan was asked to fill in and most likely got him his start.

[semo97]

Twenty years ago while driving through the Lubbock area had a local radio station on. The daily trivia question was, what was Buddy Holly's first bands name? It went for an hour and finally and older guy said it was Buddy Holly and The Saddle Men. This guy grew up with him and were friends.

[MP]

Because of that accident, (which I remember) a very young Bob Dylan was asked to fill in and most likely got him his start.

Sorry, no.
Bobby Vee filled in in Moorhead, MAN.
Bob Dylan did not. Dylan had met him three days earlier in Duluth, MAN, and was greatly influenced by him. But he did not fill in for him.