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Premimums higher? Out of pocket more expensive? You're a liar!!!

Started by Black Dog, Thu 27, Feb 2014, 08:35:46

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Black Dog

Is this man really that stupid?

"Those tales turned out to be just that: tales, stories made up from whole cloth, lies distorted by the Republicans to grab headlines forming political advertisements," Reid said.

http://news.yahoo.com/senate-leader-reid-blasts-koch-brothers-over-obamacare-180121699--sector.html

Let's see how they wiggle outta this one...

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98 T

Strikes me as not a good way to win an argument by calling the  5-6 million people who have lost their doctors or insurance plans as liars.

People who are directly, negatively affected by ACA know what's happening in their lives with their own healthcare plans.  I think  Dirty Harry is coming unhinged.

I can't figure what the upside is for him to do this unless it's to distract  low-information voter's attention.

We ALL gotta clean house in congress this coming election.  If we could only find a way to not have illegal aliens, dead people,  and dogs from voting and some people from multiple voting. Most of our country is NOT like Chicago. We shouldn't register new voters at graveyards!
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solo1

It seems to me that ALL of the Democrats in Congress have taken the same path as the POTUS and his administration., they all are liars!

Unfortunately the Republicans aren't without guile either.  They can't even seem to get along within their ranks.  I hope that the midterms aren't another example of 'snatching defeat from the Jaws of Victory!"  So far, the Republicans are very good at that!

Serk

Quote from: Black Dog on Thu 27, Feb 2014, 08:35:46
Is this man really that stupid?

No, he's not... But he's betting that just enough voters are that he and his party can hold on with this sort of blatant lie.

Never ask a geek 'Why?',just nod your head and slowly back away...



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Jess Tolbirt

I am directly affected by the ACA,, send em to my place and lets have a talk,,o yea i might need you guys to bail me outta jail if they show up..
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bagelboy

Dropped my policy that I had for years, gave me a new one, which is basically the same thing. They doubled my premiums, and upped my deductible. Now after paying healthcare for 30 years, I don't know how long I can afford to pay the new premiums. So, I am month to month! I went from $550/month and $10,000 deductible to $1100/month and $12,000 deductible. I reach the deductible because my middle son has a lifelong disease that needs treatment every 2 weeks. So, my cost is up  $8500/ year because of Obamacare. Now where do I get that money from? That's another $700/month!
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G-Man

Quote from: Serk on Thu 27, Feb 2014, 09:28:51
Quote from: Black Dog on Thu 27, Feb 2014, 08:35:46
Is this man really that stupid?

No, he's not... But he's betting that just enough voters are that he and his party can hold on with this sort of blatant lie.



EXACTLY!  And several of my New York Lib friends on FB have been posting billboards, signs, pics, and slogans blaming the Repubs all along for the ACA's failure.  These are the folks he's speaking to.

MP

Liars!  Those of you who are posting about raised costs, LIARS!

Say you do not like Obummercare?  LIAR

Say your costs went up?  LIAR

Say your plan was cancelled?  LIAR

Since they cannot defend the plan, ATTACK the naysayers.  Just call them LIARS, over and over again.

I guess I can join the club.  BOTH of my sons and their families plans were CANCELLED.  I guess I am one of those LIARS too!

MP

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G-Man

Quote from: bagelboy on Thu 27, Feb 2014, 10:11:45
Dropped my policy that I had for years, gave me a new one, which is basically the same thing. They doubled my premiums, and upped my deductible. Now after paying healthcare for 30 years, I don't know how long I can afford to pay the new premiums. So, I am month to month! I went from $550/month and $10,000 deductible to $1100/month and $12,000 deductible. I reach the deductible because my middle son has a lifelong disease that needs treatment every 2 weeks. So, my cost is up  $8500/ year because of Obamacare. Now where do I get that money from? That's another $700/month!

You see, Obama sings to heavens about folks with pre-existing conditions being guaranteed coverage, but he neglected to say that you'll pay through the nose for it.


Big Al of Tennessee

Harry Reid is a creepy little man, he told lies about Romney killing a man's wife because

the plant her husband worked at was closed down.

Truth was she had her own insurance but unfortunately succumbed to her cancer anyway.

It will be a dog fight.

If repubs get the senate Obama will be impeached. Done deal and they know it.

I hate them all, some more than others, Obama is the root of most of the evil.

Nuff said.
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BF

Quote from: Serk on Thu 27, Feb 2014, 09:28:51
Quote from: Black Dog on Thu 27, Feb 2014, 08:35:46
Is this man really that stupid?

No, he's not... But he's betting that just enough voters are that he and his party can hold on with this sort of blatant lie.



Not to mention the true believers who can't wait to swallow it hook, line and sinker whether it's true or not.....won't matter to them. 
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MAD6Gun

 Obamacare has not effected me personally YET. I am on my wife's insurance through her job, working for, get this a national health insurance company. Our deductible is $3,200 and out of pocket is $7,200 and this is the best policy her company offers their employees. NICE right?

Anyhow her son had Ulcerative Colitis since he was 14. He is 24 now. He had 3 major surgeries to correct the problem in the last 2 years. Fortunately she had help from the Hospital on the surgeries. Before that he was on some very expensive drugs. Except for a colonoscopy every year he should be OK from now on. But Twila is still paying for bills from three years ago. With a deductible that high you can never catch up. You get one bill paid up and then get sick and get another one. Its a never ending cycle. For a lot of people with the ACA its only going to get much worse......

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This whole insurance crap really screwed up my insurance. I hope our "wonderful" president has the craps for the rest of his term!   :cooldude:
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Patrick

Its time for harry reid [ and his ilk] to go home and 'watch the flowers bloom' .

There are those that will only listen to his like, you know, the MSNBC watchers.

Its finally become public that the Veterans Administration insurance is not recognized by ACA. I know a few folks that have full coverage by the VA and they are being told they now have to by additional obama approved insurance.

Master Blaster

No news here, everybody knows that if you just turn everything that Obama and his minions say around 180 degrees it will equal the truth every time.  But wait it wont be long until they lie about the lies again.
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Quote from: bagelboy on Thu 27, Feb 2014, 10:11:45
Dropped my policy that I had for years, gave me a new one, which is basically the same thing. They doubled my premiums, and upped my deductible. Now after paying healthcare for 30 years, I don't know how long I can afford to pay the new premiums. So, I am month to month! I went from $550/month and $10,000 deductible to $1100/month and $12,000 deductible. I reach the deductible because my middle son has a lifelong disease that needs treatment every 2 weeks. So, my cost is up  $8500/ year because of Obamacare. Now where do I get that money from? That's another $700/month!
This is exactly what they want,for you to not be able to afford it then be reliant on the Goverment (Medicaid) so they can own you. Then they will have to raise all peoples (working) taxes so you will only be able to feed yourself (barely) and nothing else. Then when you hit a certain age quit covering any illness.
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dreamchaser

At 69 yrs old what am I going to need to supliment Medicare  To be good to go in the eyes of the chief of Socialistic endeavors?  Right now I am so pi$$ed of that I am ready to start dumping tea in the Pacific!  This is a slap in the face and a boot in the a-------------!

musclehead

good ole' harry, he's heard about the truth but it's not something he personally believes in.  :evil:
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cookiedough

don't worry only a couple more years of this a-hole obummer in charge and the hopefully we get another nut in the office who repels all this obummer crap.

Insurance sure is not like it used to be.  Premiums keep going up and up and up with LESS coverage and higher deductibles.  Our plan already increases the rate a lot if you or family member covered smokes (I can see that I guess), but they also increase our premiums if the spouse has the capability to get, even if crappier higher insurance,  by 40 bucks out of the paycheck every 2 weeks.  Pretty soon they will implement a penalty for 3 of the 4 of our family members being obese and yet we rarely EVER go in for anything?  We've paid enough in premiums over the past 20 years rarely being used (guessing 10K total max used in past 20 years) to afford a new house and corvette and a few extra Valks to ride around in. -  NOW it is Valk related?

czuch

All they had to do was be able to buy across state lines.
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Serk

Quote from: cookiedough on Fri 28, Feb 2014, 08:14:15
only a couple more years of this

If you're curious, we've got days left until we get to Meet the New Boss, Same as the Old Boss...

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old2soon

Quote from: Serk on Fri 28, Feb 2014, 09:32:50
Quote from: cookiedough on Fri 28, Feb 2014, 08:14:15
only a couple more years of this

If you're curious, we've got days left until we get to Meet the New Boss, Same as the Old Boss...


The SCARY part is-it's like 90% certain to be da hilda beast.  :-[ The fix is in.  :uglystupid2: Think deceased voters and illegal types and ghost names.  :evil: Sides-what doe's it matter??  :'( :'( REALLY need a super sarcasm font!!  :tickedoff: RIDE SAFE.
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Quote from: old2soon on Fri 28, Feb 2014, 12:07:24
Quote from: Serk on Fri 28, Feb 2014, 09:32:50
Quote from: cookiedough on Fri 28, Feb 2014, 08:14:15
only a couple more years of this

If you're curious, we've got days left until we get to Meet the New Boss, Same as the Old Boss...


The SCARY part is-it's like 90% certain to be da hilda beast.  :-[ The fix is in.  :uglystupid2: Think deceased voters and illegal types and ghost names.  :evil: Sides-what doe's it matter??  :'( :'( REALLY need a super sarcasm font!!  :tickedoff: RIDE SAFE.



I agree. If the repubs don't hurry up and get their ducks in a row, the beast will probably end up in charge and at this point I think it does matter. Its amazing the number of people that are still in love with that women.

G-Man

This reminds me of the backlash Obama got when he blamed the failing economy (on Bush of course but also) on Americans living beyond their means.  Folks like me who live responsibly fired back everywhere they could and he had to walk that one back.

Obama holds the record for lie of the decade, but Reid HAS to hold the record for most quantity of lies.