Score 2 for the good guys

[Skinhead]

http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/25066699/detroit-homeowner-fatally-shoots-2-suspected-intruders

[saddlesore]

But, but, but these were good boys, they just made a mistake.  Gee, I wonder what profile they fit in with.

[Crackerborn]

I notice the LEO took the homeowner in for "questioning" while the DA decides whether or not to press charges. What is wrong with that picture?

[flsix]

Unfortunately I'm not surprised anymore when the families of these dirt bags are interviewed and claim ( they were good boys ). I guess blood is thicker than intelligence.

[alph]

listen to the wording that the female news caster uses to intoduce the story.  she makes it sound like there where two inocent victims shot.  

i wouldn't doubt that in a few more years of this sort of thing, it'll be illegal for home owners to shot to kill an intruder in their house, and that if the home owner does kill an intruder he's going to have to pay in one way or another......  (sarcasm.....)

[Jess from VA]

I notice the LEO took the homeowner in for "questioning" while the DA decides whether or not to press charges. What is wrong with that picture?

PPolice took the homeowner, who has a valid concealed pistol license, to a local precinct for questioning. The Wayne County Prosecutor's Office will determine if the homeowner will face charges.


Pretty much SOP anywhere.  Although a a grand jury may be involved as well. 

Remember, you need not speak without counsel.  And, if they are not arresting you, and just ask you to come in to make a statement (consent), you may not be read your rights before questioning.  You can still tell them you want to talk to counsel first.  Sorry guys, I feel I acted with perfect justification, and have nothing to hide.  But your job is not to help me, that's my job, and I'd like some advice before I talk to you.  

[Marinakorp]

listen to the wording that the female news caster uses to intoduce the story.  she makes it sound like there where two inocent victims shot.  

i wouldn't doubt that in a few more years of this sort of thing, it'll be illegal for home owners to shot to kill an intruder in their house, and that if the home owner does kill an intruder he's going to have to pay in one way or another......  (sarcasm.....)

Remember. We don't shoot to kill we shoot to stop the threat. Keep shooting till the threat stops.

That may result in death, but not the intent was to stop the threat, not to kill.

In many places, killing someone is illegal. It may be justified (a defense) if there was self defense.

[Skinhead]

I'm sure if Obama had sons they would look like the 2 guys who are now taking the big dirt nap.  Rememer what the last guy who defended himself with deadly force went/is still going through.

[.]

I notice the LEO took the homeowner in for "questioning" while the DA decides whether or not to press charges. What is wrong with that picture?

Actually, there is nothing wrong with that picture. Failure to investigate a shooting would be a big problem, mainly because giving people a free rein to shoot other people claiming self-defense and getting a pass will likely lead to more shootings with claims of "self-defense" that are actually nothing more than out and out murder.

If the investigation shows the guy was truly defending himself and he is still charged then that is a problem but it's a mistake to draw any conclusions from the simple fact that the incident is under investigation.

It used to be that, to use deadly force against an attacker, many jurisdictions required that you be in your home under clear threat with no means of escape. The growing use of so-called "Stand Your Ground" laws is an indication that, unless the pendulum swings far back in the opposite direction due to abuse of such statutes, that there is little danger of people having to fear murder charges for defending themselves in their own homes (as it should be-although there will always be jurisdictions that, for whatever reasons, decide to victimize the victims).

And, just to gig Skinhead a little (just because we all need an occasional gigging  ), I'm sure Obama had nothing to do with this. And, if the "last guy who defended himself" is the guy I think you are referring to, the use of the Stand Your Ground defense is so questionable despite the jury ruling that he may be one of the ones you should send a thank you card to if the pendulum does swing back.

And, since I'm on my soapbox ( That's me to the left-on my soapbox), I'll add that the Stand Your Ground defense doesn't seem to work for everyone and until it does there are valid questions that need to be answered concerning the Equal Justice clause.

I'm done. You can resume normal programming now.  

[fudgie]

I notice the LEO took the homeowner in for "questioning" while the DA decides whether or not to press charges. What is wrong with that picture?

It is a homocide. But I agree.

[fudgie]

i wouldn't doubt that in a few more years of this sort of thing, it'll be illegal for home owners to shot to kill an intruder in their house, and that if the home owner does kill an intruder he's going to have to pay in one way or another......  (sarcasm.....)

I live on 220 ac of farm ground and have a shovel.

[Skinhead]

i wouldn't doubt that in a few more years of this sort of thing, it'll be illegal for home owners to shot to kill an intruder in their house, and that if the home owner does kill an intruder he's going to have to pay in one way or another......  (sarcasm.....)

I live on 220 ac of farm ground and have a shovel.

Fudgie, I may need to lease a small piece of property from you from time to time.

[Jess Tolbirt]

i wouldn't doubt that in a few more years of this sort of thing, it'll be illegal for home owners to shot to kill an intruder in their house, and that if the home owner does kill an intruder he's going to have to pay in one way or another......  (sarcasm.....)

I live on 220 ac of farm ground and have a shovel.

you should have never let us know you have 220 acres...just dont shoot me if you see me digging up a little ground in the back 40,,ok?

[Skinhead]

I notice the LEO took the homeowner in for "questioning" while the DA decides whether or not to press charges. What is wrong with that picture?

Actually, there is nothing wrong with that picture. Failure to investigate a shooting would be a big problem, mainly because giving people a free rein to shoot other people claiming self-defense and getting a pass will likely lead to more shootings with claims of "self-defense" that are actually nothing more than out and out murder.

If the investigation shows the guy was truly defending himself and he is still charged then that is a problem but it's a mistake to draw any conclusions from the simple fact that the incident is under investigation.

It used to be that, to use deadly force against an attacker, many jurisdictions required that you be in your home under clear threat with no means of escape. The growing use of so-called "Stand Your Ground" laws is an indication that, unless the pendulum swings far back in the opposite direction due to abuse of such statutes, that there is little danger of people having to fear murder charges for defending themselves in their own homes (as it should be-although there will always be jurisdictions that, for whatever reasons, decide to victimize the victims).

And, just to gig Skinhead a little (just because we all need an occasional gigging  ), I'm sure Obama had nothing to do with this. And, if the "last guy who defended himself" is the guy I think you are referring to, the use of the Stand Your Ground defense is so questionable despite the jury ruling that he may be one of the ones you should send a thank you card to if the pendulum does swing back.

And, since I'm on my soapbox ( That's me to the left-on my soapbox), I'll add that the Stand Your Ground defense doesn't seem to work for everyone and until it does there are valid questions that need to be answered concerning the Equal Justice clause.

I'm done. You can resume normal programming now.  

I'm certainly not apposed to a little giggin (although I won't like it and he may object to it), I just want to clearify that I was in no way suggesting that the Obummer had anything to do with this, merely reiterating his comments concerning the appearance of the now daisey pushers.  and the last guy I was refering to was indeed Zimmerman.  

[.]

I notice the LEO took the homeowner in for "questioning" while the DA decides whether or not to press charges. What is wrong with that picture?

Actually, there is nothing wrong with that picture. Failure to investigate a shooting would be a big problem, mainly because giving people a free rein to shoot other people claiming self-defense and getting a pass will likely lead to more shootings with claims of "self-defense" that are actually nothing more than out and out murder.

If the investigation shows the guy was truly defending himself and he is still charged then that is a problem but it's a mistake to draw any conclusions from the simple fact that the incident is under investigation.

It used to be that, to use deadly force against an attacker, many jurisdictions required that you be in your home under clear threat with no means of escape. The growing use of so-called "Stand Your Ground" laws is an indication that, unless the pendulum swings far back in the opposite direction due to abuse of such statutes, that there is little danger of people having to fear murder charges for defending themselves in their own homes (as it should be-although there will always be jurisdictions that, for whatever reasons, decide to victimize the victims).

And, just to gig Skinhead a little (just because we all need an occasional gigging  ), I'm sure Obama had nothing to do with this. And, if the "last guy who defended himself" is the guy I think you are referring to, the use of the Stand Your Ground defense is so questionable despite the jury ruling that he may be one of the ones you should send a thank you card to if the pendulum does swing back.

And, since I'm on my soapbox ( That's me to the left-on my soapbox), I'll add that the Stand Your Ground defense doesn't seem to work for everyone and until it does there are valid questions that need to be answered concerning the Equal Justice clause.

I'm done. You can resume normal programming now.  

I'm certainly not apposed to a little giggin (although I won't like it and he may object to it), I just want to clearify that I was in no way suggesting that the Obummer had anything to do with this, merely reiterating his comments concerning the appearance of the now daisey pushers.  and the last guy I was refering to was indeed Zimmerman.  

Just don't lose your sense of humor and all will be well. 

[Skinhead]

I notice the LEO took the homeowner in for "questioning" while the DA decides whether or not to press charges. What is wrong with that picture?

Actually, there is nothing wrong with that picture. Failure to investigate a shooting would be a big problem, mainly because giving people a free rein to shoot other people claiming self-defense and getting a pass will likely lead to more shootings with claims of "self-defense" that are actually nothing more than out and out murder.

If the investigation shows the guy was truly defending himself and he is still charged then that is a problem but it's a mistake to draw any conclusions from the simple fact that the incident is under investigation.

It used to be that, to use deadly force against an attacker, many jurisdictions required that you be in your home under clear threat with no means of escape. The growing use of so-called "Stand Your Ground" laws is an indication that, unless the pendulum swings far back in the opposite direction due to abuse of such statutes, that there is little danger of people having to fear murder charges for defending themselves in their own homes (as it should be-although there will always be jurisdictions that, for whatever reasons, decide to victimize the victims).

And, just to gig Skinhead a little (just because we all need an occasional gigging  ), I'm sure Obama had nothing to do with this. And, if the "last guy who defended himself" is the guy I think you are referring to, the use of the Stand Your Ground defense is so questionable despite the jury ruling that he may be one of the ones you should send a thank you card to if the pendulum does swing back.

And, since I'm on my soapbox ( That's me to the left-on my soapbox), I'll add that the Stand Your Ground defense doesn't seem to work for everyone and until it does there are valid questions that need to be answered concerning the Equal Justice clause.

I'm done. You can resume normal programming now. 

I'm certainly not apposed to a little giggin (although I won't like it and he may object to it), I just want to clearify that I was in no way suggesting that the Obummer had anything to do with this, merely reiterating his comments concerning the appearance of the now daisey pushers.  and the last guy I was refering to was indeed Zimmerman. 

Just don't lose your sense of humor and all will be well. 

It'll never happen.  That's the only thing that keeps me going.

[GiG]

I'm certainly not apposed to a little giggin (although I won't like it and he may object to it),

Sinkhead -  Your neighbor got gigged this summer, & she didn't seem to mind at all. 
In fact, she even picked up a new nickname that day...

[Skinhead]

I'm certainly not apposed to a little giggin (although I won't like it and he may object to it),

Sinkhead -  Your neighbor got gigged this summer, & she didn't seem to mind at all. 
In fact, she even picked up a new nickname that day...

Well that gettin' gigged don't look like any fun a'tall!