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Started by Patrick, Mon 14, Apr 2014, 14:00:02

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Patrick

http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/14/us/kansas-jewish-center-shooting/



What the hell is going on with this country, or, world for that matter. Maybe it is time to ban all religions.

DIGGER

Or maybe bring "GOD" back into the picture.

The emperor has no clothes

I don't think religion had anything to do with it. I think he was a 73 year old white supremacist . At least that's what they said last night when I watched the news. Some people are just evil, I don't know how you cure that. Wish I did.

Maldog

I agree Digger its not religion causing the problems its the lack of religion or a selfish misuse  or interpretation of religion or Gods teaching With out a powerful moral measuring stick social behavior will continue to  worsen ,

Psychotic Bovine

Quote from: Patrick on Mon 14, Apr 2014, 14:00:02
http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/14/us/kansas-jewish-center-shooting/



What the hell is going on with this country, or, world for that matter. Maybe it is time to ban all religions.
Whether this is in jest or not, it's pretty ignorant.
There are a million reasons for one person to hate another, a difference of religion is just one.
And, believe it or not, religion is not even close to the main reason for the majority of war on this world.
 
"I aim to misbehave."

Willow

Quote from: Patrick on Mon 14, Apr 2014, 14:00:02
What the hell is going on with this country, or, world for that matter. Maybe it is time to ban all religions.

Pretty stupid comment, Patrick.

The shooter was not concerned with religion but with ethnicity.  Two of his dead victims were Methodists, a grandfather and his grandson.  There are multiple community events, not just Jewish religious events held at the center.

My wife knows at least four people who were present at the site during the shootings.  Only one of the four was Jewish ethically or religiously.

What's wrong with this country?  There are several hundred million very sane people in this country.  If you're ready to be making dramatic policy restrictions based upon the behavior of one insane person out of several hundred million, it's not the country that's at fault.   

alph

Quote from: Willow on Mon 14, Apr 2014, 14:21:44
Quote from: Patrick on Mon 14, Apr 2014, 14:00:02
What the hell is going on with this country, or, world for that matter. Maybe it is time to ban all religions.

Pretty stupid comment, Patrick.

 

yeah, don't you know how important religion is!!  it's the back bone of this country.....

then again, you might have posted that comment to "bate" me......

the problem with religion is when a person entwines emotion with their belief, then lets one overtake the other.  this KKK shooter believes "his" beliefs are the right beliefs, and that whom ever is not like him is against him. there are a lot of people that believe that.  the problem came in when his emotions took over.  "HE" thought he was doing the better for the community, much like hitler believed getting rid of the jews would solve all the worlds problems......  just like I've found myself hating people that are similar to obummer (you know, liberals and democrats in general).  I dislike those type of people, but I also know that the truest freedom is to allow others to have their "own" beliefs and if "I" infringe on their freedoms, sooner or later, my own freedoms would be eroded away.....
Promote world peace, ban all religion.

Ride Safe, Ride Often!!  :cooldude:

Willow

Quote from: alph on Mon 14, Apr 2014, 15:10:24
then again, you might have posted that comment to "bate" me......

No, Al, I was just stating my opinion.

I'm really not the type to "bait".  I'm pretty straight forward in what I have to say.  Either you didn't bother to read my complete post or it failed to connect with your level of understanding.   ;)

Quote from: alph on Mon 14, Apr 2014, 15:10:24
... I also know that the truest freedom is to allow others to have their "own" beliefs and if "I" infringe on their freedoms, sooner or later, my own freedoms would be eroded away.....

Somehow that statement seems inconsistent with your signature line.   ???

Fritz The Cat


miscott




The emperor has no clothes

Alph, do you really hate liberals & democrats? Or are you just prone to inflammatory statements?

Willow

Quote from: meathead on Mon 14, Apr 2014, 16:10:01
Alph, do you really hate liberals & democrats? Or are you just prone to inflammatory statements?

You may be using the wrong conjuction there.   ;D

The emperor has no clothes

Quote from: Willow on Mon 14, Apr 2014, 16:21:08
Quote from: meathead on Mon 14, Apr 2014, 16:10:01
Alph, do you really hate liberals & democrats? Or are you just prone to inflammatory statements?

You may be using the wrong conjuction there.   ;D
I ain't smart enough for no stinkin conjunctions :D

Davet261

Quote from: Patrick on Mon 14, Apr 2014, 14:00:02
http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/14/us/kansas-jewish-center-shooting/



What the hell is going on with this country, or, world for that matter. Maybe it is time to ban all religions.

Don't blame religion, it's racist people that do terrible things, just look what someone here on this board  posted.
   
local welfare story
« on: Yesterday at 07:27:43 AM »
   
A young man with his pants hanging half off his ass, two gold front teeth, and a half inch thick gold chain around his neck; walked into the local welfare office to pick up his check.


Skinhead

Quote from: Davet261 on Mon 14, Apr 2014, 17:32:26
Quote from: Patrick on Mon 14, Apr 2014, 14:00:02
http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/14/us/kansas-jewish-center-shooting/



What the hell is going on with this country, or, world for that matter. Maybe it is time to ban all religions.

Don't blame religion, it's racist people that do terrible things, just look what someone here on this board  posted.
   
local welfare story
« on: Yesterday at 07:27:43 AM »
   
A young man with his pants hanging half off his ass, two gold front teeth, and a half inch thick gold chain around his neck; walked into the local welfare office to pick up his check.



DISGUSTING!

Friendsville, TN - Troy, MI

MP

Quote from: Davet261 on Mon 14, Apr 2014, 17:32:26
Quote from: Patrick on Mon 14, Apr 2014, 14:00:02
http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/14/us/kansas-jewish-center-shooting/



What the hell is going on with this country, or, world for that matter. Maybe it is time to ban all religions.

Don't blame religion, it's racist people that do terrible things, just look what someone here on this board  posted.
   
local welfare story
« on: Yesterday at 07:27:43 AM »
   
A young man with his pants hanging half off his ass, two gold front teeth, and a half inch thick gold chain around his neck; walked into the local welfare office to pick up his check.



Huh?  And this is racist...... Why?

Is this young man white, or black, or hispanic, or oriental, or WHAT?  Other than someone who should be working.

MP

"Ridin' with Cycho"

Patrick

I'm not going to comment about a couple of those responses.

Davet261

Quote from: MP on Mon 14, Apr 2014, 17:38:42
Quote from: Davet261 on Mon 14, Apr 2014, 17:32:26
Quote from: Patrick on Mon 14, Apr 2014, 14:00:02
http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/14/us/kansas-jewish-center-shooting/



What the hell is going on with this country, or, world for that matter. Maybe it is time to ban all religions.

Don't blame religion, it's racist people that do terrible things, just look what someone here on this board  posted.
   
local welfare story
« on: Yesterday at 07:27:43 AM »
   
A young man with his pants hanging half off his ass, two gold front teeth, and a half inch thick gold chain around his neck; walked into the local welfare office to pick up his check.



Huh?  And this is racist...... Why?

Is this young man white, or black, or hispanic, or oriental, or WHAT?  Other than someone who should be working.

MP

I'd like to see you say that to the Bloods or Crips, get real MP it don't take a rocket scientist to see its about blacks.

Trynt

Quote from: MP on Mon 14, Apr 2014, 17:38:42
Quote from: Davet261 on Mon 14, Apr 2014, 17:32:26
Quote from: Patrick on Mon 14, Apr 2014, 14:00:02
http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/14/us/kansas-jewish-center-shooting/



What the hell is going on with this country, or, world for that matter. Maybe it is time to ban all religions.

Don't blame religion, it's racist people that do terrible things, just look what someone here on this board  posted.
   
local welfare story
« on: Yesterday at 07:27:43 AM »
   
A young man with his pants hanging half off his ass, two gold front teeth, and a half inch thick gold chain around his neck; walked into the local welfare office to pick up his check.



Huh?  And this is racist...... Why?

Is this young man white, or black, or hispanic, or oriental, or WHAT?  Other than someone who should be working.

MP

In that posting the individual's race was not delineated, yet Dave's comment indicates Dave assumed he was other than white.  That assumption reveals Dave's own racial prejudices.  :2funny:

motomama

This is a very, very sad situation.  The people that I know that were there at the time are having a very difficult time dealing with it.  Their children, ages 3&5 were terrified and still are.  Both of the little boys had nightmares about it last night.  Carl and I were eating lunch not far from there yesterday when it took place, but we did not know about it until later yesterday.  It can happen to any of us, anytime, anywhere.  There is so much evil in this world and the shooter was a prime example of that.  I know I am spending time praying for those that involved in this situation and their families!
Motomama

Davet261

Quote from: Trynt on Mon 14, Apr 2014, 17:57:35
Quote from: MP on Mon 14, Apr 2014, 17:38:42
Quote from: Davet261 on Mon 14, Apr 2014, 17:32:26
Quote from: Patrick on Mon 14, Apr 2014, 14:00:02
http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/14/us/kansas-jewish-center-shooting/



What the hell is going on with this country, or, world for that matter. Maybe it is time to ban all religions.



Don't blame religion, it's racist people that do terrible things, just look what someone here on this board  posted.
   
local welfare story
« on: Yesterday at 07:27:43 AM »
   
A young man with his pants hanging half off his ass, two gold front teeth, and a half inch thick gold chain around his neck; walked into the local welfare office to pick up his check.



Huh?  And this is racist...... Why?

Is this young man white, or black, or hispanic, or oriental, or WHAT?  Other than someone who should be working.

MP

In that posting the individual's race was not delineated, yet Dave's comment indicates Dave assumed he was other than white.  That assumption reveals Dave's own racial prejudices.  :2funny:

I have two 1/2 black and 1/2 white grandchildren. To uphold racist posts makes you no different than the ones who post them.  

Trynt

#21
Quote from: Davet261 on Mon 14, Apr 2014, 18:13:07
Quote from: Trynt on Mon 14, Apr 2014, 17:57:35
Quote from: MP on Mon 14, Apr 2014, 17:38:42
Quote from: Davet261 on Mon 14, Apr 2014, 17:32:26
Quote from: Patrick on Mon 14, Apr 2014, 14:00:02
http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/14/us/kansas-jewish-center-shooting/



What the hell is going on with this country, or, world for that matter. Maybe it is time to ban all religions.



Don't blame religion, it's racist people that do terrible things, just look what someone here on this board  posted.
   
local welfare story
« on: Yesterday at 07:27:43 AM »
   
A young man with his pants hanging half off his ass, two gold front teeth, and a half inch thick gold chain around his neck; walked into the local welfare office to pick up his check.



Huh?  And this is racist...... Why?

Is this young man white, or black, or hispanic, or oriental, or WHAT?  Other than someone who should be working.

MP

In that posting the individual's race was not delineated, yet Dave's comment indicates Dave assumed he was other than white.  That assumption reveals Dave's own racial prejudices.  :2funny:

I have two 1/2 black and 1/2 white grandchildren. To uphold racist posts makes you no different than the ones who post them.  

Big deal. I have both a black niece and nephew (whom I like and respect). I find it amusing that you have the arrogance to believe you can read the minds of others and know what lies in their hearts. :uglystupid2:

Davet261

Quote from: Trynt on Mon 14, Apr 2014, 18:19:07
Quote from: Davet261 on Mon 14, Apr 2014, 18:13:07
Quote from: Trynt on Mon 14, Apr 2014, 17:57:35
Quote from: MP on Mon 14, Apr 2014, 17:38:42
Quote from: Davet261 on Mon 14, Apr 2014, 17:32:26
Quote from: Patrick on Mon 14, Apr 2014, 14:00:02
http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/14/us/kansas-jewish-center-shooting/



What the hell is going on with this country, or, world for that matter. Maybe it is time to ban all religions.

I don't have to read their mind, I can read their posts



Don't blame religion, it's racist people that do terrible things, just look what someone here on this board  posted.
   
local welfare story
« on: Yesterday at 07:27:43 AM »
   
A young man with his pants hanging half off his ass, two gold front teeth, and a half inch thick gold chain around his neck; walked into the local welfare office to pick up his check.



Huh?  And this is racist...... Why?

Is this young man white, or black, or hispanic, or oriental, or WHAT?  Other than someone who should be working.

MP

In that posting the individual's race was not delineated, yet Dave's comment indicates Dave assumed he was other than white.  That assumption reveals Dave's own racial prejudices.  :2funny:

I have two 1/2 black and 1/2 white grandchildren. To uphold racist posts makes you no different than the ones who post them.  

Big deal. I have both a black niece and nephew (whom I like and respect). I find it amusing that you have the arrogance to believe you can read the minds of others and know what lies in the hearts. :uglystupid2:

Big Al of Tennessee

Religion, divides.

Love Unites.

Jesus preached Love your Neighbor as you love Yourself.

I choose to follow the God Man Messiah that rose on the 3rd day so you and I can live

through his sacrifice. All a man has to do is accept him, it is free.

Remember religion leads you to a place no one should go. Jesus leads you to eternal life.

But Freedom of Religion ensures we can worship, not shoot each other.
GOD SAVE THE UNITED STATES from the democrats is my prayer.



Big Al of Tennessee

Let's See the guy was an avowed racist.

KKK

Hated Jews, Blacks, and well anyone he wants to I guess.

Remember 1 in 24 in this country, are Psychopathic.

We came from all over the world and were thrown out of places all over the world.

A Psycho like this, latches onto an Idea. He has no empathy or compassion or compunction about

killing.

Asbergers is similar. There is no rhyme or reason or anything we can do to stop them.

Just be ready to meet your maker or not, at anytime.

You can't make sense out of hate and calling each other names here ain't helping either.
GOD SAVE THE UNITED STATES from the democrats is my prayer.



Romeo


Big Al of Tennessee

Quote from: Romeo on Mon 14, Apr 2014, 18:59:11
Ok, DANCEOFF

I like it.

Dance Off, that knocks a lot of the folks out of the race right there.


I can dance.
GOD SAVE THE UNITED STATES from the democrats is my prayer.



Robert

#27
When evil is called good and good is called evil, when every example of good is lost Hollywood stars and gov is corrupt. When we take God out of the US what would you expect to happen. John Lennon's Imagine is actually happening here in the US and now we see the results. We no longer have to imagine.
"Some people see things that are and ask, Why? Some people dream of things that never were and ask, Why not? Some people have to go to work and don't have time for all that."

Crackerborn

Is fascism a religion? Make no mistake, this man is a fascist. We all are a product of our upbringing to a certain extent. We are the ones that allow that past to influence our present. I was brought up in the deep south where the Deacons of my church were proud members of the John Birch Society. Does that mean I had to accept the tenets of their belief system? Because I live in a country that allows me the freedom to think and act upon my own, I must accept the responsibility of my actions. This perpetrator of the heinous acts committed is solely responsible for his actions and should suffer the consequences. Pretending that this man is anything other than the murderer that he is denigrates our society. Is he a bigot? Absolutely!!!! Does that alone make him worthy to swing by the neck until "he be dead"? NO. His beliefs were his own until the actions that made him a criminal were committed. It is a hard line to draw since this POS was being watched and how could someone being "watched" get this far? Is the KKK any different than some of the Muslim extremists out there? How about the Black Panthers? Rainbow Coalition? Racism still exists in many forms and it is our responsibility as adults to not be sucked into the media hype that continues to feed racism. Reasonable people are allowed to disagree and have a discourse about their differences. Fascists don't want to allow that discourse since it doesn't serve their purpose.

Draw your own conclusions.
Life is about the ride, not the destination.
97 Valkyrie Tour
99 Valkyrie Interstate

The emperor has no clothes

Quote from: motomama on Mon 14, Apr 2014, 18:06:28
This is a very, very sad situation.  The people that I know that were there at the time are having a very difficult time dealing with it.  Their children, ages 3&5 were terrified and still are.  Both of the little boys had nightmares about it last night.  Carl and I were eating lunch not far from there yesterday when it took place, but we did not know about it until later yesterday.  It can happen to any of us, anytime, anywhere.  There is so much evil in this world and the shooter was a prime example of that.  I know I am spending time praying for those that involved in this situation and their families!
It is very sad. And the impact it is having and will have on these young kids seems to be getting lost in this discussion. I will pray and hope for them also.

Oss

Tragic

Playing God never ends well

Prayers for the families harmed and the community itself which will have to deal
with the media and those politicians and other wackos who have agendas

Attacking a place of prayer is an ultimate act of cowardice and rage

If Kansas needs a volunteer to flick a switch I am sure there will be many ready

If you don't know where your going any road will take you there
George Harrison

When you come to the fork in the road, take it
Yogi Berra   (Don't send it to me C.O.D.)

BF

Quote from: DIGGER on Mon 14, Apr 2014, 14:02:01
Or maybe bring "GOD" back into the picture.

Who's god would we bring?
I can't help about the shape I'm in
I can't sing, I ain't pretty and my legs are thin
But don't ask me what I think of you
I might not give the answer that you want me to



G-Man

Quote from: Davet261 on Mon 14, Apr 2014, 18:13:07
Quote from: Trynt on Mon 14, Apr 2014, 17:57:35
Quote from: MP on Mon 14, Apr 2014, 17:38:42
Quote from: Davet261 on Mon 14, Apr 2014, 17:32:26
Quote from: Patrick on Mon 14, Apr 2014, 14:00:02
http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/14/us/kansas-jewish-center-shooting/



What the hell is going on with this country, or, world for that matter. Maybe it is time to ban all religions.



Don't blame religion, it's racist people that do terrible things, just look what someone here on this board  posted.
   
local welfare story
« on: Yesterday at 07:27:43 AM »
   
A young man with his pants hanging half off his ass, two gold front teeth, and a half inch thick gold chain around his neck; walked into the local welfare office to pick up his check.



Huh?  And this is racist...... Why?

Is this young man white, or black, or hispanic, or oriental, or WHAT?  Other than someone who should be working.

MP

In that posting the individual's race was not delineated, yet Dave's comment indicates Dave assumed he was other than white.  That assumption reveals Dave's own racial prejudices.  :2funny:

I have two 1/2 black and 1/2 white grandchildren. To uphold racist posts makes you no different than the ones who post them.  

Which half of them is black and which half of them are white?

And where I live, the young man with the teeth, the pants, the jewelry, the limp, the awful destruction of English, etc. could very well be black, white, hispanic, asian, indian, arab, or a really butch chick.

Xtracho

Quote from: crackerborn on Mon 14, Apr 2014, 21:31:09
Is fascism a religion? Make no mistake, this man is a fascist. We all are a product of our upbringing to a certain extent. We are the ones that allow that past to influence our present. I was brought up in the deep south where the Deacons of my church were proud members of the John Birch Society. Does that mean I had to accept the tenets of their belief system? Because I live in a country that allows me the freedom to think and act upon my own, I must accept the responsibility of my actions. This perpetrator of the heinous acts committed is solely responsible for his actions and should suffer the consequences. Pretending that this man is anything other than the murderer that he is denigrates our society. Is he a bigot? Absolutely!!!! Does that alone make him worthy to swing by the neck until "he be dead"? NO. His beliefs were his own until the actions that made him a criminal were committed. It is a hard line to draw since this POS was being watched and how could someone being "watched" get this far? Is the KKK any different than some of the Muslim extremists out there? How about the Black Panthers? Rainbow Coalition? Racism still exists in many forms and it is our responsibility as adults to not be sucked into the media hype that continues to feed racism. Reasonable people are allowed to disagree and have a discourse about their differences. Fascists don't want to allow that discourse since it doesn't serve their purpose.

Draw your own conclusions.

Damn well said.... :cooldude:
Mark

"To live you must be willing to die" - Amir Vahedi
My father gets smarter each day he is gone.

In the stable:
'84 GW Aspencade
'47 Indian Chief
'98 Valkyrie

Patrick


dragon96

There's only one God ! Don't let anyone fool you ! There will be many imposters but only one True God !
I had to rant !

Patrick

Quote from: dragon96 on Tue 15, Apr 2014, 07:29:47
There's only one God ! Don't let anyone fool you ! There will be many imposters but only one True God !
I had to rant !



So, not their's, yours.
Of course, thats understandable. Even in just this country, religion has been causing trouble amongst groups since the Pilgrims and Puritans.
It's similar to those that claim racism when none was implied.
People just can't get along.

alph

it's interesting how some people are so convinced how they've got the "only way" to some kind of mythical (unproven) heavenly afterlife.  they're so convinced that there is a "life after death" even though there's absolutely no evidence for it.

what's scary is they'll even kill to promote their beliefs, and if you're not like them, you're against them. that's what this "cross" guy believed.

I was watching a UW Madison professor talking about how he came from a "well diverse" town in upper Wisconsin.  he said; "sure we had a LOT of diversity, we had Norwegians, Germans and Polish people in town, we even had several different religions like Catholics, Lutherans, even Protestants!!"

I had to laugh.  man, that's some serious diversity there!!  and to think he ended up as a professor at UW Madison.
Promote world peace, ban all religion.

Ride Safe, Ride Often!!  :cooldude:

Big Al of Tennessee

Quote from: alph on Tue 15, Apr 2014, 09:12:53
it's interesting how some people are so convinced how they've got the "only way" to some kind of mythical (unproven) heavenly afterlife.  they're so convinced that there is a "life after death" even though there's absolutely no evidence for it.

what's scary is they'll even kill to promote their beliefs, and if you're not like them, you're against them. that's what this "cross" guy believed.

I was watching a UW Madison professor talking about how he came from a "well diverse" town in upper Wisconsin.  he said; "sure we had a LOT of diversity, we had Norwegians, Germans and Polish people in town, we even had several different religions like Catholics, Lutherans, even Protestants!!"

I had to laugh.  man, that's some serious diversity there!!  and to think he ended up as a professor at UW Madison.

Any Church that says they are the only way, I mean that Church, is a cult.

Jesus was never a religion, they only called themselves as people of the WAY.

As he said he was the way.

I had a friend that was clinically dead, or OK his heart stopped and he left his body.

CPR for 28 minutes and then defibrillated back to the land of the living.

He said it is nothing to be afraid of, dying. Easiest thing you will ever do.

Would not talk about what he saw. He told most it was darkness. He knew it was more

than that. Just kept it to himself.

Well this year he died of Flu and Double Pneumonia, I will see him again. Sure miss him

right now though.

Jesus, don't leave this Earth without him.
GOD SAVE THE UNITED STATES from the democrats is my prayer.



Big Al of Tennessee

Quote from: G-Man on Mon 14, Apr 2014, 23:59:57
Quote from: Davet261 on Mon 14, Apr 2014, 18:13:07
Quote from: Trynt on Mon 14, Apr 2014, 17:57:35
Quote from: MP on Mon 14, Apr 2014, 17:38:42
Quote from: Davet261 on Mon 14, Apr 2014, 17:32:26
Quote from: Patrick on Mon 14, Apr 2014, 14:00:02
http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/14/us/kansas-jewish-center-shooting/



What the hell is going on with this country, or, world for that matter. Maybe it is time to ban all religions.



Don't blame religion, it's racist people that do terrible things, just look what someone here on this board  posted.
   
local welfare story
« on: Yesterday at 07:27:43 AM »
   
A young man with his pants hanging half off his ass, two gold front teeth, and a half inch thick gold chain around his neck; walked into the local welfare office to pick up his check.



Huh?  And this is racist...... Why?

Is this young man white, or black, or hispanic, or oriental, or WHAT?  Other than someone who should be working.

MP

In that posting the individual's race was not delineated, yet Dave's comment indicates Dave assumed he was other than white.  That assumption reveals Dave's own racial prejudices.  :2funny:

I have two 1/2 black and 1/2 white grandchildren. To uphold racist posts makes you no different than the ones who post them.  

Which half of them is black and which half of them are white?

And where I live, the young man with the teeth, the pants, the jewelry, the limp, the awful destruction of English, etc. could very well be black, white, hispanic, asian, indian, arab, or a really butch chick.

I like the really Butch Chicks, I can beat them at Urinating Contests every time.
GOD SAVE THE UNITED STATES from the democrats is my prayer.