Thomas Jefferson vs your president. Eye opening!

[Breeze]

Subject: Who was Thomas Jefferson?
 
Awesome man except for the fact that he was unable to live within his means.  Having visited Monticello, Poplar Forest and the University of Virginia several times, and Colonial Williamsburg 20+ times,  I've probably read each of these at some time or another, but never collected as below.  Remarkable, indeed!  We are witnessing proof of his opinions.
 
Thomas Jefferson was a very remarkable man who started learning very early in life and never stopped.
At 5, began studying under his cousin's tutor.
At 9, studied Latin, Greek and French.
At 14, studied classical literature and additional languages.
At 16, entered the College of William and Mary. Also could write in Greek with one hand while writing the same in Latin with the other.  (I wonder what he could write?)
At 19, studied Law for 5 years, starting under George Wythe.
At 23, started his own law practice.
At 25, was elected to the Virginia House of Burgesses.
At 31, wrote the widely circulated "Summary View of the Rights of British America? And retired from his law practice.
At 32, was a Delegate to the Second Continental Congress.
At 33, wrote the Declaration of Independence.
At 33, took three years to revise Virginia's legal code and wrote a Public Education bill and a statute for Religious Freedom.
At 36, was elected the second Governor of Virginia succeeding Patrick Henry.
At 40, served in Congress for two years.
At 41, was the American minister to France and negotiated commercial treaties with European nations along with Ben Franklin and John Adams.
At 46, served as the first Secretary of State under George Washington.
At 53, served as Vice President and was elected president of the American Philosophical Society.
At 55, drafted the Kentucky Resolutions and became the active head of Republican Party.
At 57, was elected the third president of the United States.
At 60, obtained the Louisiana Purchase doubling the nation's size.
At 61, was elected to a second term as President.
At 65, retired to Monticello.
At 80, helped President Monroe shape the Monroe Doctrine.
At 81, almost single-handedly created the University of Virginia and served as its first president.
At 83, died on the 50th anniversary of the Signing of the Declaration of Independence along with John Adams.
 
Thomas Jefferson knew because he himself studied the previous failed attempts at government. He understood actual history, the nature of God, his laws and the nature of man. That happens to be way more than what most understand today. Jefferson really knew his stuff. A voice from the past to lead us in the future:
John F. Kennedy held a dinner in the White House for a group of the brightest minds in the nation at that time. He made this statement: "This is perhaps the assembly of the most intelligence ever to gather at one time in the White House with the exception of when Thomas Jefferson dined alone."
"When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt as Europe."
-- Thomas Jefferson
 
"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
-- Thomas Jefferson
 
"It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world."
-- Thomas Jefferson
 
"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."
-- Thomas Jefferson
 
"My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government."
-- Thomas Jefferson
 
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
-- Thomas Jefferson
 
"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."
-- Thomas Jefferson
 
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
-- Thomas Jefferson
 
"To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical."
-- Thomas Jefferson
 
Thomas Jefferson said in 1802:
"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.
 
If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property - until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered."
 
I wish we could get this out to everyone!                                                                                           

 Our Leader

 
 
 
You
> may
> recall that a few weeks ago, President Obama spoke of
> three former
> Presidents making prisoner swaps at the end of wars that
> took place on their
> watch, "much like his swap" he said
> convincingly.

>
> CNSNews.com
> carried this quote, "This is what happens at the end of
> wars,"
> President Barack Obama boasted Tuesday when he was asked
> about swapping American
> Army Sgt. Deserter for five vicious Taliban terrorists.
> "That was true for
> George Washington... That was true for Abraham Lincoln and
> that was true for
> FDR. That's been true of every combat situation, that at
> some point, you
> make sure that you try to get your folks back... And
> that's the right
> thing to do."

> Really?
>

> That
> statement blatantly demonstrates that the most
> powerful man in the
> World and term President of the United States lacks
> even a grade
> school level of knowledge of American History; specifically,
> history as it
> relates to three of  his rather critical
> predecessors. It shows me
> that we have essentially elected a foreigner who has no
> understanding of
> the very country that he reigns supreme
> over.

> Allow me to elaborate:

> The
> Revolutionary War ended in 1783... George Washington did not
> become president
> until six years later in
> 1789.
>

> Abraham
> Lincoln was assassinated in mid April of 1865. The
> Civil War ended
> the following month. He was still
> dead at
> that time. No deals were made to exchange prisoners
> after the war. All
> prisoners were simply freed.
>

> FDR
> died of a stroke before the end of WWII. You'll recall
> that Harry S. Truman
> made the decision to drop two nuclear bombs on
> Japan, ending World War II. We made
> no deals for prisoners. We went in and released them when
> necessary...
>

> If any
> Conservative President had made such an uninformed statement
> we'd never hear
> the end of it. None of the Presidents that Obama
> noted were in office
> at the ends of those wars, making it impossible for them to
> make any sort of
> prisoner swaps, let alone the 5 for 1; plus unspecified
> cash; for a
> deserter and traitor by President "57
> States".
>

> It
> should be pointed out that countless deserters and
> traitors were shot or
> hung during all three of the aforementioned
> wars...
>

> What amazes me even more than the ignorance of the President
> is that he has
> somehow managed to surround himself with a staff that
> is just as clueless.
>
 

[Patrick]

His followers are also clueless.


Regarding our founding fathers, I tend to prefer Franklin with Jefferson next in line. Jefferson was a brilliant man, but, changed drastically once in office. He was also one that ended up disliking slavery, but, as others, still found it too profitable to free those he owned. He also had an 'affair' [ a polite way to put it] with one of his slaves for 3 decades. So, it just shows that even great men are flawed, all part of being human I guess.

[Robert]

Very good and well done a great argument for being a citizen since O has a totally different angle of the US since he looks at it As a colonial power  suppressing him and parents instead of a country trying to find its way and blessing it's people. He has a plan and purpose it is not to have a love of a country you want to change otherwise you may not do the things needed. It's willfully being ignorant

[Breeze]

His followers are also clueless.


Regarding our founding fathers, I tend to prefer Franklin with Jefferson next in line. Jefferson was a brilliant man, but, changed drastically once in office. He was also one that ended up disliking slavery, but, as others, still found it too profitable to free those he owned. He also had an 'affair' [ a polite way to put it] with one of his slaves for 3 decades. So, it just shows that even great men are flawed, all part of being human I guess.

Great point about all men being human and being "susceptible" to flaws, corruption, and, and temptations of power. If the few dozen men in that room, who started the war, were the only ones who had to fight that war, there would be no wars. War is too easy to start when you are sending everyone else's sons and daughters to do the fighting and sacrificing.  This is why government must be kept small.

[..]

Just more lies for the willingly ignorant dummasses to soak up.

Anywho, who needs an edukation ?

[Paxton]

Breeze;
Whether one agrees with the content, it appears well researched. Would you mind sharing the link for this piece? ???

[john]

                   " His followers are also clueless "       
          his followers are  brain dead .... 

[Breeze]

Breeze;
Whether one agrees with the content, it appears well researched. Would you mind sharing the link for this piece? ???

An American President, and The Biography of Thomas Jefferson. Also the Library of Congress viewable online. It is the oldest and largest library on earth. The article started out as a research project.

[Willow]

I'm sure it was very well researched and is some interesting reading.

One small correction is in order.  The list makes reference to the Republican party.  Jefferson belonged to the Democratic Republican party which many consider a precursor to the Democratic party of our day.  The political party we know as the Republican party was not founded until some thirty years after Thomas Jefferson's death.

He was indeed a great, great man and many political and cultural factions of today strive to claim relationship to him.

[Oss]

Thanks for the post

I don't think we will see another like him, nor the likes of Franklin and Adams

Just never get tired of reading all I can about those men and the ideas
that got bounced around from 1760 to 1790

An amazing time that kids today should really be required to understand

Drove by Washington's Tappan NY headquarters today, the 76 house where Major Andre was
held and the hill where he was hung.

The folks who served in WWII were great, take nothing away from what they
accomplished beating back Hitler and Japan and boxing in communism, but IMHO the folks who gave birth to the USA were the greatest generation

[Breeze]

I'm sure it was very well researched and is some interesting reading.

One small correction is in order.  The list makes reference to the Republican party.  Jefferson belonged to the Democratic Republican party which many consider a precursor to the Democratic party of our day.  The political party we know as the Republican party was not founded until some thirty years after Thomas Jefferson's death.

He was indeed a great, great man and many political and cultural factions of today strive to claim relationship to him.

if he was a man who found it hard to live within his means, that would explain the nod toward the democrapic party. BTW, I AM NOT A REPUBLICAN.

[Breeze]

Thanks for the post

I don't think we will see another like him, nor the likes of Franklin and Adams

Just never get tired of reading all I can about those men and the ideas
that got bounced around from 1760 to 1790

An amazing time that kids today should really be required to understand

Drove by Washington's Tappan NY headquarters today, the 76 house where Major Andre was
held and the hill where he was hung.Thank you. You and I are much alike. If o had to pass a history lesson first before he was allowed to be the American president, we would have been out of this recession, Putin would never had the balls to do what he is doing, the Middle east would look much better today, health care would be much better, and the economy, jobs and unemployment numbers would all be better by far. He couldn't pass a basic history test.

The folks who served in WWII were great, take nothing away from what they
accomplished beating back Hitler and Japan and boxing in communism, but IMHO the folks who gave birth to the USA were the greatest generation

Thank you. We are a lot alike. How about the part where o flunked basic american history?

[Willow]

if he was a man who found it hard to live within his means, that would explain the nod toward the democrapic party. BTW, I AM NOT A REPUBLICAN.

Please don't draw that conclusion.  Politically the Democratic party of today has very little in common with the Democratic party of seventy-five years ago, let alone over two hundred years gone by.

One thing held in common by the Republican Democrats of Jefferson's time and the Democratic party of fifty years ago is a very strong holding among the southern states. 

[art]

There are plenty of very smart people in this country but the problem is that none of them are stupid enough to get into politics let alone run for president.  By the way was George Jefferson from all in the family a relative of Thomas Jefferson? Ha Ha

[Paxton]

"By the way was George Jefferson from all in the family a relative of Thomas Jefferson? Ha Ha"
============================================================
No. You are thinkin' Jefferson Davis. 

[Patrick]

There are plenty of very smart people in this country but the problem is that none of them are stupid enough to get into politics let alone run for president.  By the way was George Jefferson from all in the family a relative of Thomas Jefferson? Ha Ha

Not such a funny question, as, he could have been.
Lets see, Thomas Jefferson + Sally Hemmings = ?

[Paxton]

Patrick;
You realize that George Jefferson is not a "real" person, do you?

[Breeze]

Another thing that is interesting to see is the lack of comments about how the president can't pass a 2nd grade history test and has managed to surround himself with others who are just as ignorant as he is. It was the vs part of the title. Lets talk about that. He is just making things up to look good and his CNN MSMBC pocket media buddies never call him on it.

[Oss]

What I would love to see is
some school kid telling the President
that he is full of malarky on an open mike

The story of the Emperor's New Clothes comes to mind

[art]

Patrick;
You realize that George Jefferson is not a "real" person, do you?

Just a joke to living things up a bit .

[donaldcc]

Patrick;
You realize that George Jefferson is not a "real" person, do you?

Just a joke to living things up a bit .

  No joking allowed art, this is a serious forum.   

[Oss]

says the man who plays golf in a 70 mph sandstorm   


wish you had a go pro on your hat when you played that front 9

[Gavin_Sons]

Maybe we should put the POTUS on yhat tv show " are you smarter than a 5th grader" and if he fails he gets impeached and deported back to Hawaii Africa.

[Breeze]

Maybe we should put the POTUS on yhat tv show " are you smarter than a 5th grader" and if he fails he gets impeached and deported back to Hawaii Africa.

Now thats a great idea. Funny too. He would be sweating bullets.

[Patrick]

Sherman Helmsley wasn't a real person ? I'll be darned !  The point was that Thomas Jefferson probably had offspring with his slaves as did many other plantation owners. 

[musclehead]

Maybe we should put the POTUS on yhat tv show " are you smarter than a 5th grader" and if he fails he gets impeached and deported back to Hawaii Africa.

tough show! I failed to be able to spell "Mastodon"..... I am NOT smarter then a fifth grader 

[Willow]

Maybe we should put the POTUS on yhat tv show " are you smarter than a 5th grader" and if he fails he gets impeached and deported back to Hawaii Africa.

tough show! I failed to be able to spell "Mastodon"..... I am NOT smarter then a fifth grader 

Depends entirely, doesn't it, on the fifth grader?  I'm sure, based upon past experience, that this administration/organization can put together a team of fifth graders that will make the President look good.   

[czuch]

Howzabout bowling against a Special Olympian.    (That really pissed me off, BTW)
You lose, done, done and done. If he wins, give him the plastic trophy and impeach his ass anyway.

[Chrisj CMA]

czuch.....you said what this thread needed.  The words:

IMPEACH OBAMA

[Patrick]

Thread is getting a bit off course as most do. But, there are even starting to be some of the democratic persuasion calling for impeachment. Its too late for that now to do any good.

[john]

    tv show    " are you smarter than a 5th grader" ....        
          " the gong show " would be more like it .....      

[The emperor has no clothes]

Thread is getting a bit off course as most do. But, there are even starting to be some of the democratic persuasion calling for impeachment. Its too late for that now to do any good.

Chrisj CMA is a DEMOCRAT ???

[Patrick]

Republicans, conservatives and libertarians have been calling for his impeachment for quite some time.

[Chrisj CMA]

Thread is getting a bit off course as most do. But, there are even starting to be some of the democratic persuasion calling for impeachment. Its too late for that now to do any good.

Chrisj CMA is a DEMOCRAT ???

LMAO........you know I might have been many many years ago.  Im not that proud today to see Republican on my voting card.  Sad state of affairs this country is in today

[Chrisj CMA]

Thread is getting a bit off course as most do. But, there are even starting to be some of the democratic persuasion calling for impeachment. Its too late for that now to do any good.

No its not Patrick...it may come to something like an impeachment to get his sorry a$$ out of the White House...I wouldn't be surprised if he tries every trick in the book to over stay his welcome

[Patrick]

Thread is getting a bit off course as most do. But, there are even starting to be some of the democratic persuasion calling for impeachment. Its too late for that now to do any good.

No its not Patrick...it may come to something like an impeachment to get his sorry a$$ out of the White House...I wouldn't be surprised if he tries every trick in the book to over stay his welcome

Over stay his welcome, I agree with that. I think he'd like to be made king for life. I never wanted to make him welcome though, ever.

But, still as far as impeachment. I'm wondering just what good it does. Two presidents have been impeached and both were acquitted. The House impeaches and the Senate acquits. I don't know how it affected Johnson, but, it hasn't seemed to affect Clinton. He seems just as, or more, popular as ever, and, they are some that even think he was a good president.

[Willow]

Impeachment isn't the answer even if it were possible.  Our problem is not so much the man in office as it is the electorate that put him there.

I just can't help but think how impeachment results in Joe Biden.      Anyone who thinks Barrack Obama is not intelligent just wasn't paying attention when he chose his running mate.   

[Chrisj CMA]

Impeachment isn't the answer even if it were possible.  Our problem is not so much the man in office as it is the electorate that put him there.

I just can't help but think how impeachment results in Joe Biden.      Anyone who thinks Barrack Obama is not intelligent just wasn't paying attention when he chose his running mate.   

Joe would only hold the office until the end of the term.  It would take just about that long to impeach so Joe would maybe have the reigns for a few days.  Cant be worse than what it is now.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Impeachment isn't the answer even if it were possible.  Our problem is not so much the man in office as it is the electorate that put him there.

I just can't help but think how impeachment results in Joe Biden.      Anyone who thinks Barrack Obama is not intelligent just wasn't paying attention when he chose his running mate.   

Joe would only hold the office until the end of the term.  It would take just about that long to impeach so Joe would maybe have the reigns for a few days.  Cant be worse than what it is now.

Be careful what you wish for

[Serk]

If it were a choice between Obama and Biden, I'd take Biden...

...Smart and Evil is far more destructive than Dumb and Evil...

But even though I still proudly have my IMPEACH OBAMA stickers on my vehicles, I also agree the time to literally impeach him has passed. In fact, even HE is campaigning on impeachment now, BEGGING for it to move forward. That's about the only thing left that might stir the leftists back up and get them excited again.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/07/28/dems-pump-up-impeachment-talk-in-appeal-for-support-campaign-bucks/?intcmp=HPBucket