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Your daughter is being kidnapped from the back yard. What do you do?

Started by bigguy, Mon 25, Aug 2014, 15:15:31

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bigguy

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Your child is being abducted. Do you shoot or don't shoot. I'd have never thought of this solution to this scenario.

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cma1

depends, if he takes her, will he promise to keep her ?

stupid questions deserve stupid answers, right ?

art

Don't like shooting at a 45 degree angle on the ground . Ricochet could hit your daughter. I would say shoot at his feet, stop him and no worry about a bullet hitting the girl in the body.

Chrisj CMA

The rushing is good.  Shooting while running is not recommended without A LOT of training.  What I would recommend is a much faster rush (because you are not thinking about shooting) get closer to him, that way if he tries to shoot you, you are moving faster (harder to hit)

Then hit the ground aim and carefully take out a foot or a leg...if you have no shot shoot anyway at a fence post or something safe but like he said, SHOOT and get his scared up.

Patrick

The man was shooting at the perp's feet trying to assure the bullet impact beyond either person and hoping that maybe one will contact the perps foot/leg. But, basically the shooting was used as a distraction.
I think I can honestly say I wouldn't have shot because I wouldn't have thought quickly enough about that, but, I would have gone thru the window after the POS. Probably in real life, you wouldn't have a gun in your hand at that time. I know I don't have one in my hand every waking second.

Rams

Well, in that I don't sit around with a pistol in my pocket while at home, the decision becomes much easier.    I can't honestly say because there are too many variables but, I can assure you, that child would not leave my back yard while I was still conscience and breathing.    
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I'd throw a hand grenade at him and holler to my daughter to duck.

no, in reality I'd call an ambulance, my daughter would kick his ass and he'd need one. :police:

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MarkT

Golden opportunity to blow up his brain pan with my sniper rifle after blasting out the glass.  That is if I actually had any guns after the boating disaster besides my 10/22 I admit I have.

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Xtracho

Quote from: Rams on Mon 25, Aug 2014, 15:49:08
I can assure you, that child would not leave my back yard while I was still conscience and breathing.    

+1
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cookiedough

I wouldn't shoot if he had the child near his body no way too dangerous.  Even at a 45 degree angle no way.  Up in the air shoot, definitely though is what I would do while rushing him.  If he shoots me then I go down and he runs and I shoot him then if able.

I wouldn't have a gun handy loaded anyways but I have an aluminum baseball bat very close by that I'd beat his brains out until nothing left and wouldn't leave it to judges to decide whether he lives or dies or rots in jail.  He'd be gone as long as he didn't kill/shoot me first. 

I wouldn't trust NO ONE in today's world too many loonies out there even here in small town USA.

hubcapsc


There was a story on the news this morning about a guy who jumped out
the 2nd story window to pull his drowning (niece?) out of the pool...

You gotta hope you do whatever it takes when the **** hits the fan...

-Mike

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I carry a gun at home. I wouldn't have shot through the glass. If he was 2' from the glass, maybe. The farther from the glass he is the more severe the bullet deflection. Same with shooting through brush.

I would have rushed him and shot when my muzzle entered his mouth or just before it touched his neck. You have to be sure no pressure is against the muzzle if it's a semi-auto because pushing back against the slide will trigger the disconnector. No such worries if it's a revolver.

Shooting at the feet would have been a good technique for those who are good at shooting while moving. That's not me. I'm an old fat guy who mostly shoots standing still.

If he had got to a car before I reached him, then I would have shot through the glass.

Truthfully, I would have probably been too angry to pull a gun and feel pretty certain I would have beaten him to death if possible. I kill deer and other game animals I respect with firearms, and I try to do so humanly.

People who hurt children are the worst form of evil and deserve no respect.
"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice.
And... moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.''
-- Barry Goldwater, Acceptance Speech at the Republican Convention; 1964

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Quote from: Rams on Mon 25, Aug 2014, 15:49:08
I can assure you, that child would not leave my back yard while I was still conscience and breathing.    

Yep. Well said.
"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice.
And... moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.''
-- Barry Goldwater, Acceptance Speech at the Republican Convention; 1964

Paxton

Naaahhh...
I'll wait for the ransom note then refuse to pay it! :o  "You broke it you own it" kind of thing! :tickedoff: :2funny: :2funny:
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Xtracho

Quote from: mrider on Wed 27, Aug 2014, 01:48:56
my dogs would have had a snack :cooldude:

Yeah...I'm pretty sure my English Bull Terrier and the Pit mix would beat me to him.
Mark

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MP

Quote from: hubcapsc on Tue 26, Aug 2014, 07:16:31

There was a story on the news this morning about a guy who jumped out
the 2nd story window to pull his drowning (niece?) out of the pool...

You gotta hope you do whatever it takes when the **** hits the fan...

-Mike

That was his story about how he twisted his ankle.

However, there was NO 911 call to report the possible drowning.

And, he is cited in a police report as a robbery suspect for a robbery taking place at the same time!

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/pac12/2014/08/26/steve-sarkisian-josh-shaw-usc-trojans-football-nephew-investigation/14632445/

So.....................

His story may, or may not, be true.

MP

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BudMan

I would immediately make sure I was out of her line of fire. Somebody's fixxin' to get dead, and it ain't gonna be any of my family! :D
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I live rural. Folks who arent local are always scrutinized. If they come through scoping during the day, then back at night they usually have a red dot on the windshield so they can pray.
Too many dogs, neighbors, too far to the paved road.
Actual situation, shoot the feet. Either he cant walk, or she's too hard to drag.
Fire up the back hoe and after an hour of digging your new pool, decide thats just not where the wife wanted it. Fill the hole. Have a nice breakfast and go to work, in your new car,that you can leave in the badder side of town. BTW, I have never done anything like this before.
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Jess from VA

My pistol would be in the pants behind my back.  The perp is armed and I don't want him to start shooting the moment he sees a gun.  I would run out, hands exposed-out, and try to engage him in conversation or anything to slow his leaving.  I might yell to my child to bite that man as hard as you can honey, kick and fight(distraction).  I would continue to move sideways and closer to him, looking for a clear shot.  As soon as I got it, I would draw and shoot.  If he opened fire, I go prone and shoot for the legs.  You cannot let him get her in a car and leave.

But preferably, a double tap to the groin, then a double to center mass.  Then, in case anyone is watching, I make it look like I am rendering first aid, but don't (and especially do nothing to stop blood flow). 

Willow

My youngest daughter is thirty years old.  They all left on their own.  Well there was helping influence.  I didn't shoot any of my sons-in-law.

I think it's good to plan for and train for the unexpected.  That's a scenario I'm not going to spend a lot of time practicing (nor am I going to waste rounds into the ground).  Best preparation is hone your marksmanship and develop the mindset that will allow you to point a gun at someone's face and pull the trigger without flinching.

That mental trait is more rare than you might guess.

Patrick

I know we are talking about daughters and I have said my peace. But, if this happened to my wife I'd sit back, smile, wave and wait. She'd be sent back home pretty quick.  ;D

Jess from VA

Patrick, ever read The Ransom of Red Chief?    ;D

"The Ransom of Red Chief" is a 1907 short story by O. Henry first published in The Saturday Evening Post. It follows two men who kidnap and attempt to ransom a wealthy Alabaman's son; eventually, the men are driven to distraction by the boy's spoiled and hyperactive behavior, and end up having to pay the boy's father to take him back.


Patrick

Quote from: Jess from VA on Wed 27, Aug 2014, 12:40:58
Patrick, ever read The Ransom of Red Chief?    ;D

"The Ransom of Red Chief" is a 1907 short story by O. Henry first published in The Saturday Evening Post. It follows two men who kidnap and attempt to ransom a wealthy Alabaman's son; eventually, the men are driven to distraction by the boy's spoiled and hyperactive behavior, and end up having to pay the boy's father to take him back.









;D

Serk

Quote from: MP on Wed 27, Aug 2014, 07:16:32
Quote from: hubcapsc on Tue 26, Aug 2014, 07:16:31

There was a story on the news this morning about a guy who jumped out
the 2nd story window to pull his drowning (niece?) out of the pool...

You gotta hope you do whatever it takes when the **** hits the fan...

-Mike

That was his story about how he twisted his ankle.

However, there was NO 911 call to report the possible drowning.

And, he is cited in a police report as a robbery suspect for a robbery taking place at the same time!

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/pac12/2014/08/26/steve-sarkisian-josh-shaw-usc-trojans-football-nephew-investigation/14632445/

So.....................

His story may, or may not, be true.

MP

It appears "Not True" was the correct answer:

http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2014/08/27/usc-football-star-suspended-after-admitting-story-rescuing-nephew-lie/

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