Resigned

[dreamaker]

Is it my imagination or have a lot of people connected to the White-house resigned, quite or just left?  It seems many people have left key positions that had ties to the Prez or cabinet. Or is it just the media playing it up?

[Patrick]

Yep, many have left or are leaving. Of course, they all resign, but, the question is whether its their own decision or not.
And, if you had to work for that nit-wit who wouldn't resign.

[Jess from VA]

Rats often depart a sinking ship.

When you hire people primarily based on their political orientation, the fact they lack actual skills for the position does not take long to show.  

And when you micromanage your people, they don't like it.
 

[art]

Rats often depart a sinking ship.

When you hire people primarily based on their political orientation, the fact they lack actual skills for the position does not take long to show.  

And when you micromanage your people, they don't like it.
 

Took the word out of my mouth,RATS.

[BF]

Rats often depart a sinking ship.

When you hire people primarily based on their political orientation, the fact they lack actual skills for the position does not take long to show.  

And when you micromanage your people, they don't like it.
 

Read an article recently about Robert Gates.  It said that on one of his trips to Afganistan, he found a phone that was a direct line from the White House. 

He made them rip it out and stood there until it was done to make sure it was.  Told them something to the effect that if those bozos from the White House call you again, you hang up on the bastards and tell them to call me and that he was the Secretary of Defense, not the White House. 

Don't know if that was true, but I like the sentiment. 

[Robert]

I asked a dozen serving and recently retired senior military officers with high-level White House  access, many of whom were not comfortable speaking on the record, if they knew of any military leaders with whom the president had a close and warm personal relationship. In every case, the initial response was a long silence. “That’s a great question,” said one retired senior officer, after a lengthy pause. “Good question. I don’t know,” said a second. “I don’t think he’s close to anyone,” commented a third. He just doesn’t seem to have any interest in “getting to know” the military, a retired general concluded.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2013/11/obama-vs-the-generals-99379.html#ixzz3KjwdOZXv

Full List: 197 Officers Removed from Obama’s Military During the Purge

http://www.standupamericaus.org/breaking-news/obama-purging-the-military-197-officers-in-5-years/

In testimony regarding Benghazi, Gaouette, who was in charge of Air Craft Carriers in the Mediterranean Sea on the night of the attack, told Congress there may not have been time to get flight crews to Libya. But under cross examination, he admitted he could have sent planes to that location.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/arnold-ahlert/obamas-military-purge/

In Obama’s America, the military must forsake their constitutional oath in favor of blind allegiance to their new commander. And whether it’s top nuke commanders being removed for failing to play ball with the global elite, or just silencing potential whistleblowers, top military generals are now speaking out about the ‘mass purge’ within the United States military.

Read more: http://www.storyleak.com/top-generals-reveal-obamas-secret-high-level-military-purge/#ixzz3KjxKvDQu

[dreamaker]

Some times I get the feeling that the people that are suppose to watch over us, protect us and working in our best interest, are forcing our way of life to circle the toilet bowl.

[Chrisj CMA]

Is it my imagination or have a lot of people connected to the White-house resigned, quite or just left?  It seems many people have left key positions that had ties to the Prez or cabinet. Or is it just the media playing it up?

People with honor have resigned or been fired to leave the ones willing to push lies and deception.  This has been happening throughout the military as well, and also government agencies like the INS,IRS,EPA and others.  Its just about criminal.  Another reason (among many) to IMPEACH OBAMA

[dreamaker]

That is the confusing thing to me. Here we got a guy that basically got his knob polished and almost got impeached.  Now here we have a another guy that seems to be selling us out, seems the be trying to make our economy fail by owing everybody money and basically doing what he wants with no repercussions or accountability.  And never a mention of impeachment from the company.

[GiG]

ALMOST got impeached??? 

[Willow]

That is the confusing thing to me. Here we got a guy that basically got his knob polished and almost got impeached.  Now here we have a another guy that seems to be selling us out, seems the be trying to make our economy fail by owing everybody money and basically doing what he wants with no repercussions or accountability.  And never a mention of impeachment from the company.

There's a bit of confusion here.  Bill Clinton was impeached but not convicted.  He was not impeached for getting his "knob polished."  He was impeached for lying under oath.  I believe he was in fact disbarred for that behavior.   Interesting that our system of government can identify a man who is not eligible to represent you as an attorney but can represent the country as a standing president.

Oh, and regarding the original topic of resignations, they are fairly common with two term presidents as those appoints tend to be used by the office holders as stepping stones to more money or power.  With an unpopular president you may see people choosing to distance themselves (power) before the end of term and elections.  I'm pretty sure that's what you saw with Hillary Clinton, possibly .

Over the past couple hundred years we have only impeached three presidents and two of them were acquitted.  What we have proven is that the impeachment and conviction tends to follow party lines, that is it depends more upon who is in power than what the evidence indicates.  It really doesn't work as designed.

As far as the original topic of resignations, they tend to be fairly common with two term presidents as the appointees often use these offices as stepping stones to increasing power or money for the holder.  With an unpopular president you may see some trying to distance themselves prior to the end of term and elections (power).  I believe that's what we witnessed with Hillary Clinton, possibly others.

[Chrisj CMA]

That is the confusing thing to me. Here we got a guy that basically got his knob polished and almost got impeached.  Now here we have a another guy that seems to be selling us out, seems the be trying to make our economy fail by owing everybody money and basically doing what he wants with no repercussions or accountability.  And never a mention of impeachment from the company.

There's a bit of confusion here.  Bill Clinton was impeached but not convicted.  He was not impeached for getting his "knob polished."  He was impeached for lying under oath.  I believe he was in fact disbarred for that behavior.   Interesting that our system of government can identify a man who is not eligible to represent you as an attorney but can represent the country as a standing president.

Over the past couple hundred years we have only impeached three presidents and two of them were acquitted.  What we have proven is that the impeachment and conviction tends to follow party lines, that is it depends more upon who is in power than what the evidence indicates.  It really doesn't work as designed.

Carl, I think that is because we require lawyers to tell the truth 

[cookiedough]

It's like that with most employers as well.  The good hard working and deserving reward get fired (or should I say get paid off in hush money severance package) if not in bed with the higher ups.  I have seen it dozens of times working the past 20+ years for several companies.  I was on the severance package end only after 5 months of employment because not that I was a worthless employee, but I was not in bed (suck up) with the President like my boss was and she was as well a psycho, micromanaging bitch literally seeing a pshychiatrist for her emotional distress, no pleasing her at all.   I'll NEVER meet such a whacked out psycho crazy lady like that ever again, she was nuts.  If she didn't offer me a severance package for 5 months, I was going to quit anyways.  That same job of mine was posted a few times afterwards I saw in the past 1 year after I left.  Wonder why, what a nut job she was no pleasing her at all am sure the 2-3 other people hired after me quit ASAP.  The up and coming booming  going thru 'growing pains' computer company got bought out several years ago by a major computer company since am sure the infrastructure wasn't working with the psycho's in charge. 

My wife just found out last week at her job that a very nice, hard working male employee who was her boss at one time years ago having been there about 15 years doing a good job just got let go in his V.P. job in finance.  Am sure he was making 100 grand or more per year and those jobs in that salary range are hard to come by without moving away not being local jobs.   My wife is upset over it since the guy now in charge of his job whom she has to work with is a complete idiot and doesn't know what he is doing.  Just goes to show you that it is not what you know, but who you kiss ass to that matters.  My wife got offered a supervisory/managerial role to supervise a bunch of idiots under her making guessing 15-20K more than she is now.  She declined the offer since money is not everything since when asked why she did not want it, she told them (HR and hiring manager) if she was in charge, she would fire all but 1 of the employees immediately under her for not working and screwing up daily big time.  Plus, she would have to put up with more idiots than she does now even though she can do the job and as in some places of employment, the higher up you go, the more apt to get the ax and get shafted-fired for no good reason other than being an escape goat for the big wigs in charge.

Loyalty and hard work does not mean much in employment any longer which is truly sad.  One slacker lady I work side by side with should have been fired 20 years ago if it wasn't for her being best buds with our boss allowing her knowing full well she wastes 2-3 hours every single day at work and she has even seen her doing it right in front of her face.  One hard working been there 15 years or so full time asst. supervisor got fired recently at my work who did his job well while another loyal, hard working, retired from his other full time job, seasonal older person told the new boss just hired if he is not good enough meeting 'their B.S. standards' I officially 'retire' and handed him his badge last week and walked out for good.  Do you really think it is any different in the White House?   

Get used to it, it is like that all over it seems like.  Happens more than anyone thinks it does.

[Patrick]

Impeachment.

I'm only aware of 2 presidents that have been impeached. Both were acquitted.

Its the House job to impeach, or not. Its then the Senates job to agree, or not. So, just because the House Impeach's doesn't make it an Impeachment without Senate approval.

I'd enjoy seeing obama Impeached, but, I feel its just another waste of Congress' time, and, our money. However, now that the republicans have control,,,,,,maybe,,,,, just maybe,,,,,

[The emperor has no clothes]

That is the confusing thing to me. Here we got a guy that basically got his knob polished and almost got impeached.  Now here we have a another guy that seems to be selling us out, seems the be trying to make our economy fail by owing everybody money and basically doing what he wants with no repercussions or accountability.  And never a mention of impeachment from the company.

There's a bit of confusion here.  Bill Clinton was impeached but not convicted.  He was not impeached for getting his "knob polished."  He was impeached for lying under oath.  I believe he was in fact disbarred for that behavior.   Interesting that our system of government can identify a man who is not eligible to represent you as an attorney but can represent the country as a standing president.

Over the past couple hundred years we have only impeached three presidents and two of them were acquitted.  What we have proven is that the impeachment and conviction tends to follow party lines, that is it depends more upon who is in power than what the evidence indicates.  It really doesn't work as designed.

Carl, I think that is because we require lawyers to tell the truth 

Since when do lawyers tell the truth? They work for their client, truth and lawyers have little in common.

[Chrisj CMA]

Since when do lawyers tell the truth? They work for their client, truth and lawyers have little in common.

Yes, in practice you are right, they say what they need to to win.  BUT, when they get caught lying they get fired.  Politions on the other hand usually just get re-elected.

[Serk]

Impeachment.

I'm only aware of 2 presidents that have been impeached. Both were acquitted.

Its the House job to impeach, or not. Its then the Senates job to agree, or not. So, just because the House Impeach's doesn't make it an Impeachment without Senate approval.

I'd enjoy seeing obama Impeached, but, I feel its just another waste of Congress' time, and, our money. However, now that the republicans have control,,,,,,maybe,,,,, just maybe,,,,,

I concur, I can only find references to two presidents who have been impeached, Andrew Jackson and Bill Clinton. Curious who the third was that Willow was referring to?

Articles of impeachment were passed by the judiciary committee but President Nixon resigned before his impeachment could be considered by the full house of representatives, if Nixon was the third one?

[dreamaker]

I thought Johnson, Abraham Lincoln's Vice President was the only one that got impeached.

[Patrick]

3 Impeachment hearings were held.
Johnson
Clinton
Nixon
Johnson and Clinton were Impeached by the House but acquitted by the Senate.
Nixon resigned before a full House vote was reached, so, apparently 'that don't count'.
This, anyway, is my understanding of all this.

[Willow]

I thought Johnson, Abraham Lincoln's Vice President was the only one that got impeached.

Patrick is indeed mostly correct.

Richard Nixon was impeached by the House but not tried by the Senate.  Impeachment is done by the House.  Subsequently the Senate conducts a trial during which the impeachment issues are or are not found worthy of conviction.

Andrew Johnson was the only president impeached and convicted.  The conviction was very much along party or at least political grouping lines.  Richard Nixon resigned to avoid the distraction and embarrassment of a trial and sure conviction in the Senate.

Presidents and attorneys are at times expected to tell the truth.  The issue with Bill Clinton was not just that he lied but that he lied under oath.  Perjury is unacceptable to the bar for a practicing attorney.  The Senate at Bill Clinton's trial decided that even perjury was not a reason for conviction.  Party lines. 

[Jess from VA]

Impeachment is a funny (archaic but still valid) business.  It takes both houses to remove a president from office, but the House has the heavy lifting actual trial on the merits and hears all evidence and if substantial guilt of charges is found, recommends the senate approve THE or A sentence/punishment of some sort (kicked out or a written reprimand are possible).  

Terminology-wise, if the House finds guilt, impeachment warranted, the president is considered impeached (like Clinton).  But if the Senate does not approve a sentence or punishment, he is not considered convicted (like Clinton).  

In truth, impeachment by the House should be considered impeachment and a conviction, but however you label the stages, if the Senate does nothing or only issues a censure, there is no real result other than embarrassment and stories for the history books.

Not all lawyers lie, either in their lives or professional work.  But some do, like everyone else.  You are ethically allowed quite a bit of leeway in confusing, subverting, arguing, throwing up a smoke screen,  suggesting alternative scenarios are fairly supported by the evidence, without actually lying.  You may not knowing allow your client to lie under oath, without trying to withdraw from the case (a judge will almost never let you out of the case) or refusing to assist in his direct examination. OK, Mr Pinocchio, tell your side of the story... then sit down.  (which telegraphs the whole educated world you know him to be lying).  And lets be clear, you may feel in your heart your client is lying, but that is not the same thing as KNOWING he is lying.

[Serk]

I thought Johnson, Abraham Lincoln's Vice President was the only one that got impeached.

Patrick is indeed mostly correct.

Richard Nixon was impeached by the House but not tried by the Senate.  Impeachment is done by the House.  Subsequently the Senate conducts a trial during which the impeachment issues are or are not found worthy of conviction.

While you are correct that impeachment is done by the house and conviction/removal by the senate, Nixon was never impeached by the house. A subcommittee voted to move forward with his impeachment, but the full house never voted to impeach him, he resigned before this could happen.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_in_the_United_States

While articles of impeachment against Richard Nixon were passed by the House Judiciary Committee in 1974, Nixon resigned the Presidency before the impeachment resolutions could be considered.

[Patrick]

Johnson was acquitted in May 1868

[Willow]

Johnson was acquitted in May 1868

I stand corrected on both points.  Johnson and Clinton were both acquitted (not guilty) by the Senate.  Nixon resigned actually before the vote for impeachment. 

[art]

It's too bad we just couldn't fire his ass and him an the old bag can take their bed out of the White House too. Who would want to sleep in it anyway?

[Patrick]

It's too bad we just couldn't fire his ass and him an the old bag can take their bed out of the White House too. Who would want to sleep in it anyway?

Didn't we have that chance ?  Actually twice ?  And we re-hired him !

[CaribouHunter]

The maggots morph into flies and depart the carcass. 

[Safety Steve]

I just don't get it, it seems to me that Obama is trying to bring down this country, I have a friend that thinks that he is a sleeper cell, that he is trying and doing a good job of making this country weak and have us fight among are selves.
He is the worst President in my life time and may be the worst in the history of the USA...

[Jess from VA]

Actually, my rats deserting the ship analogy, is probably not accurate.

In the utopian view of our (no experience) leader, when things don't go right, heads must roll for image sake (even though those department heads were probably micromanged to death by the leader's minions all along).

Of course, this is why the Hildabeast got out as early as she did.

[dreamaker]

I just don't get it, it seems to me that Obama is trying to bring down this country, I have a friend that thinks that he is a sleeper cell, that he is trying and doing a good job of making this country weak and have us fight among are selves.
He is the worst President in my life time and may be the worst in the history of the USA...

Glad someone else notices it. See American people are much smarter then most third world country people, that get pushed around and intimidated by their government.  It is allot harder to push real Americans around, and I stress the point of real, If you check our history, American take only so much crap then they start pushing back.  They don't want to see that, so they will take us down through our economy.  Think about the logic, Why do they borrow about a trillion dollars from another wealthy country, then give the money away to every other meat head country that extorts our government. Bring in 5 million illegal aliens and give them our SSI  and Medicare for their criminal act of sneaking into our country. Then turns around and tax us to death, raise cost on garbage health benefits and turn their backs on our vets. when they need help. Does that make sense???? Just my observation and my opinion!!!!

[RainMaker]

It's like that with most employers as well.  The good hard working and deserving reward get fired (or should I say get paid off in hush money severance package) if not in bed with the higher ups.  I have seen it dozens of times working the past 20+ years for several companies.  I was on the severance package end only after 5 months of employment because not that I was a worthless employee, but I was not in bed (suck up) with the President like my boss was and she was as well a psycho, micromanaging bitch literally seeing a pshychiatrist for her emotional distress, no pleasing her at all.   I'll NEVER meet such a whacked out psycho crazy lady like that ever again, she was nuts.  If she didn't offer me a severance package for 5 months, I was going to quit anyways.  That same job of mine was posted a few times afterwards I saw in the past 1 year after I left.  Wonder why, what a nut job she was no pleasing her at all am sure the 2-3 other people hired after me quit ASAP.  The up and coming booming  going thru 'growing pains' computer company got bought out several years ago by a major computer company since am sure the infrastructure wasn't working with the psycho's in charge. 

My wife just found out last week at her job that a very nice, hard working male employee who was her boss at one time years ago having been there about 15 years doing a good job just got let go in his V.P. job in finance.  Am sure he was making 100 grand or more per year and those jobs in that salary range are hard to come by without moving away not being local jobs.   My wife is upset over it since the guy now in charge of his job whom she has to work with is a complete idiot and doesn't know what he is doing.  Just goes to show you that it is not what you know, but who you kiss ass to that matters.  My wife got offered a supervisory/managerial role to supervise a bunch of idiots under her making guessing 15-20K more than she is now.  She declined the offer since money is not everything since when asked why she did not want it, she told them (HR and hiring manager) if she was in charge, she would fire all but 1 of the employees immediately under her for not working and screwing up daily big time.  Plus, she would have to put up with more idiots than she does now even though she can do the job and as in some places of employment, the higher up you go, the more apt to get the ax and get shafted-fired for no good reason other than being an escape goat for the big wigs in charge.

Loyalty and hard work does not mean much in employment any longer which is truly sad.  One slacker lady I work side by side with should have been fired 20 years ago if it wasn't for her being best buds with our boss allowing her knowing full well she wastes 2-3 hours every single day at work and she has even seen her doing it right in front of her face.  One hard working been there 15 years or so full time asst. supervisor got fired recently at my work who did his job well while another loyal, hard working, retired from his other full time job, seasonal older person told the new boss just hired if he is not good enough meeting 'their B.S. standards' I officially 'retire' and handed him his badge last week and walked out for good.  Do you really think it is any different in the White House?   

Get used to it, it is like that all over it seems like.  Happens more than anyone thinks it does.

One of my old bosses told me "the higher you go, the bigger the target on your back" referring to both the money and responsibility increasing as you advance in a career.  Sometimes, you let good people go to take a cheaper, not better, alternative, hoping the new person will grow into what you had with the more highly paid individual.  It's dumb business in the long run, but makes stockholders happy in the short term.  Same stupid logic of reducing sales incentives because a salesman is being paid more than anyone else in the company.  I saw it happen twice.  Reduced their incentive and they could not make the same money so they left.  Why cause them to go somewhere else?  Be happy writing that check.  But accountants and stockholders run most large corporations, not visionaries.

[dreamaker]

One of my old bosses told me "the higher you go, the bigger the target on your back" referring to both the money and responsibility increasing as you advance in a career.  Sometimes, you let good people go to take a cheaper, not better, alternative, hoping the new person will grow into what you had with the more highly paid individual.  It's dumb business in the long run, but makes stockholders happy in the short term.  Same stupid logic of reducing sales incentives because a salesman is being paid more than anyone else in the company.  I saw it happen twice.  Reduced their incentive and they could not make the same money so they left.  Why cause them to go somewhere else?  Be happy writing that check.  But accountants and stockholders run most large corporations, not visionaries.
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Based on my experience, that is the way it is in corporate type of atmosphere.  I use to work at a world headquarters and that pretty much the way it works. Two things I was told by my supervisor, when I started 23 years ago, "Keep your head down" "Be careful what you say, good or bad, because it will be used against you". Use to be that it was about your talent or ability or ambition, now it is how many plaques and Docs. you have hanging on the wall, even if you can't preform like they say they could.

[cookiedough]

One of my old bosses told me "the higher you go, the bigger the target on your back" referring to both the money and responsibility increasing as you advance in a career.  Sometimes, you let good people go to take a cheaper, not better, alternative, hoping the new person will grow into what you had with the more highly paid individual.  It's dumb business in the long run, but makes stockholders happy in the short term.  Same stupid logic of reducing sales incentives because a salesman is being paid more than anyone else in the company.  I saw it happen twice.  Reduced their incentive and they could not make the same money so they left.  Why cause them to go somewhere else?  Be happy writing that check.  But accountants and stockholders run most large corporations, not visionaries.

Based on my experience, that is the way it is in corporate type of atmosphere.  I use to work at a world headquarters and that pretty much the way it works. Two things I was told by my supervisor, when I started 23 years ago, "Keep your head down" "Be careful what you say, good or bad, because it will be used against you". Use to be that it was about your talent or ability or ambition, now it is how many plaques and Docs. you have hanging on the wall, even if you can't preform like they say they could.
[/quote]

Yep, that is the main reason my wife never accepted that offer as a supervisor making 15K or more per year.  She is as high up in the company as she wants to go, any further, and you may get the ax at any given moment without notice.   It sucks, but it is what it is.  There is absolutely NO loyalty and reward for hard work in most, but not all, companies nowadays.  We all are replaceable at our jobs, but companies and mgrs. don't realize that their own company will suffer in the long run usually by not compensating their good workers so they don't leave.    My former co-worker and I quit our jobs about same time 12 years ago basically a 2 person office operation with a useless CFO good at theory only, but no idea on how to do our jobs. He reaped the rewards vs. us doing all the work with one of my jobs doing billing and collections from insurance companies so we have as a non-profit organization enough monthly income to pay our own employees with already a struggle to do that every single month.   A few months later after not getting anyone qualified into our vacant positions, the accounting office support went to national headquarters to do and the rest of the staff suffered costing other jobs as well including our CFO.  They are now a fraction of the staff it once was.