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Highbinder
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« on: January 08, 2015, 01:32:22 PM »

they show him making remarkable shots at 900 yds or more with an old Sharp's rifle...I ran across a story that reminded me of that movie today that I decided to share with you....perhaps they got the idea for the shots he made from this story.

On this date, June 27, 1874, a battle began that eventually culminated in a 23-year-old army scout—Billy Dixon—felling a Native American with a Sharps .50-90-2 1/2-inch rifle at 1,578 yards. That’s about 9/10 of a mile. Dixon made his famous shot at the second battle of Adobe Walls, along the Canadian River in Texas.

On the third morning of the attack it was cool and clear, with virtually no wind. Some 15 Native Americans were huddled on a hill that Dixon surmised was about 7/8 mile away. Dixon’s skill as a shootist was well known, and, according to legend, it was Bat Masterson who suggested that Dixon take a crack at them with his Big Fifty. It took Dixon some time to set up the shot—establishing a rest, adjusting the long-range vernier sight and setting the trigger. He stated his target was “the group of riders” on the distant hillside. It took the bullet a bit more than five seconds to make the trip; the deep report of Dixon’s rifle arriving perhaps a second or so before the bullet. Nonetheless, one of the chiefs was knocked from his horse to the ground.
 
It was claimed by Masterson that Billy Dixon killed the chief, however accounts provided by the Native Americans said the bullet broke the chief’s arm and he survived. Regardless, the shot served its purpose and terminated the hostilities

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« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2015, 01:48:10 PM »

Thats a good story, and, that was a good movie. It got me started collecting rolling blocks.
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« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2015, 01:53:21 PM »

I'm sure that freaked them out when the Chief was hit.   cooldude
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« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2015, 01:53:36 PM »

Nice story and a movie I enjoyed. (Have the DVD) cooldude
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« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2015, 01:54:18 PM »

Amazing marksmanship, esp considering you had to hold over a target about 35-40 feet to make those distance shots with those old black powder guns.
 cooldude
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« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2015, 02:30:04 PM »

Look up "Quigley shooters".
They haver a meet in Montane/Wyoming in June.
Great movie based on real events, sadly.
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« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2015, 03:56:59 PM »

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« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2015, 05:58:01 PM »

I live very few miles from that Adobe Walls battle site. Been there many times! cooldude
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« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2015, 04:19:13 AM »

  How in the H*** can you even see a man sized target at that distant (much less hit it) without a scope!!?:"?":??  Shocked

   But I do think the movie was great.  Enjoy it every time I watch it. 
                                                                   Especially the last 10 minutes.  Evil



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« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2015, 05:33:46 AM »

  How in the H*** can you even see a man sized target at that distant (much less hit it) without a scope!!?:"?":??  Shocked

It's not hard to see a mile in good conditions.

Skill put the bullet near the right place. Luck knocked one of the targets off his horse...

-Mike "I can sometimes hit a dog food can with my pistol from almost 20 feet away  cooldude "
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« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2015, 05:53:38 AM »

  How in the H*** can you even see a man sized target at that distant (much less hit it) without a scope!!?:"?":??  Shocked

   But I do think the movie was great.  Enjoy it every time I watch it. 
                                                                   Especially the last 10 minutes.  Evil





From OP:

His target was the "group of riders".

Several Indians, on horses, in a group.  Easy to see at one mile.  He sighted on the "group", and took a shot.

As said above, skill put the bullet into the right area, actually hitting a man was luck.  But, without the skill, "luck" would not have come into play.

I have a 1885 .40-65 Browning.  Winchester replica.  Used for long distance shooting.  Lots of the BPCR matches have targets out to 1000 yards. 3,000 feet.  Over 1/2 mile.  One does not hold over the target with the sights.  You set the sights for the distance, and aim at the target.  The sights make your barrel point up.

It is kind of amazing to see the angle of the barrels into the sky!  These are BIG bullets, slow moving.  So, they have quite a drop over that distance.

There are specs for the pits for the men that set the targets.  If not built right, one can get hit, while in the pit!  The bullet is dropping fast at that range!

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« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2015, 05:54:22 AM »

Wife says I can't even hit the toilet sometimes and I'm standing right over it.

Good Movie and story
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« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2015, 06:35:06 AM »

Wife says I can't even hit the toilet sometimes and I'm standing right over it.

Tell her if you had something the size of a Sharp's rifle it would be easier for you.   cooldude
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« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2015, 06:37:33 AM »

A longer sight radius makes all the difference in the world. Smiley
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« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2015, 06:45:51 AM »



-Mike "I can sometimes hit a dog food can with my pistol from almost 20 feet away  cooldude "

Empty or full?
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« Reply #15 on: January 09, 2015, 06:56:50 AM »



-Mike "I can sometimes hit a dog food can with my pistol from almost 20 feet away  cooldude "

Empty or full?

Creaky old Bonnie eats expensive dog food from the vet...

-Mike "empty"
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« Reply #16 on: January 09, 2015, 07:48:20 AM »

One does not hold over the target with the sights.  You set the sights for the distance, and aim at the target.  The sights make your barrel point up.

Of course I know that.  It is still called holding over.  It is like artillery ranging.  cooldude



 

It's also necessary to have a good spotting scope, since walking out a 1000 yards and back to check your target every few shots gets tiring.   Grin

Thousand yard bulls are pretty big..... but not from a thousand yards away.


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« Reply #17 on: January 09, 2015, 08:09:09 AM »

Those boys have got themselves a decent cross wind.
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« Reply #18 on: January 09, 2015, 11:39:28 AM »

Those old calipher rifles were dam good shooting weapons, I have a 45-70 that I have shot many of Whistle Pigs with from 300 yards and better and when I missed they sure did a lot of dancing....The best shot I ever made was with a Winchester 30-30 while sitting on a horse, shot down a wood duck in flight at about 75 yards...lucky shot for sure, but I still made the shot....the guy with me said do you do that all the time, I said everytime  Wink  He was even more amazed when my dog, a white German Shepard jumped in the water and retrived the duck..best bird dog I ever had... cooldude

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« Reply #19 on: January 09, 2015, 12:10:44 PM »

Wife says I can't even hit the toilet sometimes and I'm standing right over it.

Good Movie and story






An extra 4 inches like Quigley had with his rifle would make all the difference !    Grin
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« Reply #20 on: January 09, 2015, 12:35:18 PM »

                                              AND of course there is this RECORD BREAKER by a TEXAN!!

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 Texas man hits 1MOA target at 2.07 miles!
by Professional Marksmen Inc. | May 22, 2014 | Articles | 22 comments
Texas man hits 1MOA target at 2.07 miles!

RATON, NM — Billy Carter, a native of Spring, Texas, hit a 1 MOA target from a distance of 2.07 miles at the NRA Whittington U Long Distance Range last week. Carter improved the accuracy of his 2013 record, shooting a CheyTac USA M200 Intervention® chambered in .375 CheyTac topped with a Vortex Razor HD Gen1 scope.
“Every time you pull a trigger on a gun, you get more accurate with it,” Carter said. “This time I hope we’ve polished off some of the myth surrounding last year’s shot. I really don’t think anything is impossible at this point.”
Carter, who grew up in Houston, began working at an early age on his family’s gun range. Carter’s Country, now a 50 year staple in the shooting sports community, services an average 5,000 shooters monthly and performs thousands of sight-ins just before hunting season every year.
“I’m not a military trained marksman and definitely not an expert,” Carter relates, “but I have had 40 or more years pulling triggers on all kinds of guns. I’ve learned to get a feel for each gun and its trigger, which aides in the ability to shoot long distance accurately.”
1397696691575In early 2012 Carter, along with friends Jim Elmore, Bruce Mansur, and Gerald Guzman took their rifle-shooting hobby to a new level at the McMillan long range facility in Arizona. The group first felt the thrill of long distance shooting when they attended the NRA Wittington U Extreme Long Range program the following year.
Sights set on the longest distance possible, Carter dug into what had already been done in long range shooting. The answer being: not much. He partnered with CheyTac USA, LLC., and happened upon a gun and a caliber that could go the distance.
Developed to overcome the shortcomings of .50 caliber rifles, CheyTac USA chambered their M200 Intervention® in a necked-down .408 round called .375 CheyTac. “It shoots further, hits harder and is far more accurate than the .50 caliber,” said Dave McCutcheon, President of CheyTac USA.
Though never tested at such extreme distances, the .375 CheyTac’s velocity at shorter distances had Carter and McCutcheon confident the 350 grain .375 CheyTac USA Balanced Flight Projectile® would perform. Perform it did! April 2013 saw Carter hit the never before offered 4 MOA target at 2.07 miles.
One year later, flying into a snow-covered Raton, New Mexico, the team was less than enthusiastic about their chances at reengaging the 2.07 mile target.
Carter took three guns to Whittington U’s Long Distance Range: Two CheyTac USA M200 Intervention® rifles, the .375 CheyTac from 2013 and a new .408 CheyTac.
The third was a McMillan TAC416 in .416 Barrett. Using techniques gained from NRA Instructor Jon Weiler and his previous experience, Carter stepped the .408 CheyTac and the McMillan TAC416 up to the coveted 2.07 miles.
Carter warmed up at 500 yards Sunday. The following Monday he shot targets up to 1200 yards, and 2500 yards Tuesday. Finally, on Wednesday the team set up to engage 3650 yard targets – 2.07 miles.
Confirming hits on the 4 MOA target, Carter called for the 1 MOA target. With a string of eight shots and over 175 MOA in elevation and +2 MOA windage, Carter dialed in the .375 CheyTac and connected twice with the 3 ft x 3 ft steel plate. Velocity on impact was 1008 ft/s, signaling that not only accuracy was possible at long distance but also effectiveness.
 
“These engagements by Billy are stepping stones into the future,” McCutcheon said. “He continues to propel CheyTac USA forward. Some very near changes in both firearms technology in new ammunition changes will allow Billy to shoot more accurately at even longer distances.”
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« Reply #21 on: January 09, 2015, 02:03:47 PM »

Two miles is simply amazing.   cooldude

Heavier bullets are obviously necessary for windage at these ranges.

Can't be the same Billy Carter though.  2funny
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