this is what is wrong with this country

[rainman]

I believe this statement is 100% TRUE 

http://www.westernjournalism.com/phil-robertson-lost-jesus-nation/#XMQgePIsBOUFYuRx.97

[bscrive]

The world has always been in turmoil.  It's just that these days we can see everything going on in a nano second.  People are just more aware because of the news coverage.  Wars have been raging since the dawn of time.  Although, religion has the most to do with the wars.  Most of them are because of it.  Phil Robertson is just a know it all idiot.

[rainman]

The world has always been in turmoil.  It's just that these days we can see everything going on in a nano second.  People are just more aware because of the news coverage.  Wars have been raging since the dawn of time.  Although, religion has the most to do with the wars.  Most of them are because of it.  Phil Robertson is just a know it all idiot.

I agree with about the wars.  but you need to listen to the reason way the wars are what they are
always trying to take control, forcing people or country's to believe in there ways 

[Jess from VA]

I think Phil is a great human being, and right on the money.  His point is simple, and amazingly accurate.

The only thing I would note is that strongly believing in and following Judeo Christian values/morality/ethics/rules/laws/commandments as rules to guide your life are more important than personal spiritual belief in Deity.  Perhaps not to save your soul, but I think so to save humanity from itself.

I certainly mean no offense to anyone.  

[crow]

Yes, kinda like those righteous Spanish conquistadors.  Or we amiercans, giving out smallpox tainted blankets.

[Chrisj CMA]

Know Jesus = Know Peace

No Jesus = No Peace

Period

Sorry if your toe is stepped on, Im sure you will recover

Go Phil 

[Gavin_Sons]

The world has always been in turmoil.  It's just that these days we can see everything going on in a nano second.  People are just more aware because of the news coverage.  Wars have been raging since the dawn of time.  Although, religion has the most to do with the wars.  Most of them are because of it.  Phil Robertson is just a know it all idiot.

Phil is a very smart man. Idiot by no means. He is 100% on the money in everything he said. Our government has gone soft to allow all these other religions push us around and threaten us. This is a christian country and if you dont like it get the F*** out. I kinda like that know it all idiot.

[Regis]

Phil Robertson is just another media scripted fake to lead the masses around by the nose . Its well documented that his whole family were a bunch of pampered preps that changed their look as their business and show took center stage with the showbiz world . just like Larry the Cable Guy . All an act . they keep pitchin and you keep swinging .

[Bighead]

so you are saying since the show is scripted he doesn't hold CHRISTian beliefs?

[Regis]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KW343K1-upo

[Regis]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZgVtYaho5k

[Bighead]

so now you are comparing him with Osama? dude you got problems.

[Regis]

I  don't know what he believes , I just don't believe what on the TV or reported about his make believe world on the news

[Regis]

no , I gave a couple of examples of what has been reported debunking his gloriousness , don't tell me that you think I have problems from your POV based on 2 videos

[Regis]

that's like me saying you believe he is the new Christ based on 1 comment

[Oss]

Oss takes a deep breath, writes, edits and hits the post button

Lets look at our history for a moment

Christians killing Christians is what got many to this country  The Pilgrims were not just out for a joyride
The Quakers, the Jews of Spain and England and mid Europe were also not just out for a 3 hour tour
they were mostly coming here to LIVE and not die from famine, war or religious persecution

once here in the late 1600s it became the christians of england (church of england) against the church of france  Granted, there were also horrific wars among the native americans and no shortage of slavery death and disease with pretty regular indian v indian among many but not all tribes killing entire villages and taking hostages for slaves until such time as they would be killed. Down in what was south of the US human sacrifice was going on !   We did not bring killing to the new world

Did the europeans bring diseases for which the natives had no natural immunity... of course
not on purpose initially but in every generation there are those in whom True Evil rises  The blanket story is true and it is a pox on our country that we try to put behind us by many means, not all successful

Now were there jews here in the 1600's of course there were  They fought in our revolutionary war and washington's trip to rhode island (the government shall NOT establish a state religion tour)
is well known  Jews were here both in the north and the south and also jews were in south america and the carribean islands as they were kicked out of spain in 1492> It was called the Inquisition for a reason   Jews fought for the north or south wherever they lived as they were all, all of our ancestors
fighting for their country and their state.

  So I dont belive the jesus is what built our country argument for a moment   It is to me DIVISIVE
I would rather say that there was a profound feeling among many of those
who wrote our founding documents that our creator wants us to be free.
If you want to say Jesus is the son of the Lord that is ok with me but not to where it
becomes DIVISIVE which is what the pastor was doing

  I feel the same about the   "-"  people use to describe themselves   german-american  irish-american
african-american  You either ARE an american and swear to protect the constitution or you are an potential enemy or someone who needs to GO HOME NOW  Thats my point of view

What is harming us is two main things 1. people who  dont want to work perhaps because they could be lazy, or a group perhaps a large portion of well meaning folks who have now gave up trying to work after being laid off for progress or some merger or just because the workplace let them go and 2. a group of people who have been around for over a millenium  but who have mostly I believe come in the last few decades.  Many of these people came from a place in the middle east and practice Islam which is fine with me  What is not fine with me is a person practing any religion and telling me we all have to follow their practice.  That is exactly what Washington warned about in Rhode Island in 1780 or so.

In WWII yes hitler and stalin and even Mao were godless scum.  If you pick a scapegoat you can mobilize a people and control them.  Lesson learned over and over.
So after WWII the State of Israel was re created, the arabs reacted two ways  One was Jordan, who got to keep most of the "palestinian mandate"  and King Abdullah quickly realized that by keeping a class, the Palestinians, dirt poor and unassimilatable they had a great source of soldiers to fight against the jewish state.  The rest instead of making green fields like the Israeli's or developing industry tech and otherwise squirrels the oil money away kills their women when not beating them and cultivates
a culture which romances suicide bombers for the jihad against Israel and the west.  

Our leaders, who want the arabs to like us still fail to recognize that the Koran teaches its followers TO LIE TO THE INFIDEL and then KILL THE INFIDEL

So my friend Steve, I will grant you that a person can have Jesus in his or her heart and be a
wonderful human and role model.   but it is easy to use his name for another purpose as well

I would rather follow a Huckabee than an Obama any day and Steve, you are a good man and
  I will always wish you a Merry Christmas or Happy Easter and have your back.  But dont tell me its just Christian Values that make this land ours

[Regis]

Very good reply Oss ! I agree ! I'm not religious myself , but respect others outlooks on their beliefs . I just don't buy the Phil Robertson story . Sorry if its offensive  , but , its how I feel about him .

[Gavin_Sons]

I agree most of it is put on but he is still a very smart man. Yes the kids were preps. Can't believe everything on the net or tv.

[Robert]

I agree whole hardheartedly with the original post, you can say any other name except the name of Jesus. But its the values and beliefs that are being removed one by one through every level of government and the US as a whole. WE are a nation founded on Christianity.
  
As for Duck Dynasty they are people who the Lord saved out of some very bad lifestyles. When you get saved and forgiven there is a true change from your old life. If there is not then the question remains are you truly saved? I am eternally grateful to Jesus and the Father for my Salvation, I am a changed man, but that doesn't mean that I forgot how the old man was. That along with tv drama to make things interesting could be the reason for a seemingly not Christian family. You must remember they have to soil up people for tv otherwise some would not watch. Its also the direction the US is taking on.  

Oss actually the Pilgrims did not come as the church of England. It was the church of England that was under the direction of the king and not a true free religious institution. So there was religious persecution, at command of the king that used the church for control of the people. To the point that the Bible could not be read by normal everyday people. It was heresy if you did not believe what the church and king told you to believe. It was the Pilgrims that wanted a true church to worship as the Bible spoke of doing. The Pharisees and Sadducee actually did the same thing to all the Jews.  When the Mayflower Compact was signed it was the model of how the US was formed and for what purpose. This document was the only one to govern America for 150 years. The early government of the US after 1776 you could not hold a government post and not be a Christian.

The first book printed on a printing press was actually the Bible. The US schools as a book used to give out Bibles as some of the first school books.

    In the name of God, Amen. We, whose names are underwritten, the loyal subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord King James, by the Grace of God, of Great Britain, France, and Ireland, King, defender of the Faith, etc.

    Having undertaken, for the Glory of God, and advancements of the Christian faith and honor of our King and Country, a voyage to plant the first colony in the Northern parts of Virginia, do by these presents, solemnly and mutually, in the presence of God, and one another, covenant and combine ourselves together into a civil body politic; for our better ordering, and preservation and furtherance of the ends aforesaid; and by virtue hereof to enact, constitute, and frame, such just and equal laws, ordinances, acts, constitutions, and offices, from time to time, as shall be thought most meet and convenient for the general good of the colony; unto which we promise all due submission and obedience.

    In witness whereof we have hereunto subscribed our names at Cape Cod the 11th of November, in the year of the reign of our Sovereign Lord King James, of England, France, and Ireland, the eighteenth, and of Scotland the fifty-fourth, 1620.


Thomas Linacre

In the 1490’s another Oxford professor, and the personal physician to King Henry the 7th and 8th, Thomas Linacre, decided to learn Greek. After reading the Gospels in Greek, and comparing it to the Latin Vulgate, he wrote in his diary, “Either this (the original Greek) is not the Gospel… or we are not Christians.” The Latin had become so corrupt that it no longer even preserved the message of the Gospel… yet the Church still threatened to kill anyone who
read the scripture in any language other than Latin… though Latin was not an original language of the scriptures.
William Tyndale wanted to use the same 1516 Erasmus text as a source to translate and print the New Testament in English for the first time in history. Tyndale showed up on Luther's doorstep in Germany in 1525, and by year's end had translated the New Testament into English. Tyndale had been forced to flee England, because of the wide-spread rumor that his English New Testament project was underway, causing inquisitors and bounty hunters to be constantly on Tyndale's trail to arrest him and prevent his project. God foiled their plans, and in 1525-1526 the Tyndale New Testament became the first printed edition of the scripture in the English language. Subsequent printings of the Tyndale New Testament in the 1530's were often elaborately illustrated.

They were burned as soon as the Bishop could confiscate them, but copies trickled through and actually ended up in the bedroom of King Henry VIII. The more the King and Bishop resisted its distribution, the more fascinated the public at large became. The church declared it contained thousands of errors as they torched hundreds of New Testaments confiscated by the clergy, while in fact, they burned them because they could find no errors at all. One risked death by burning if caught in mere possession of Tyndale's forbidden books.

[Robert]

Christianity must also be overthrown because it is based on Jewish sources the rule of Jesus must come to an end because only the rule of force is right in the world order of the axis powers the individual has no rights he has no freedom except in so far as he serves the state there will be no liberty of thought or conscience all issues will be decided by the state and the private citizen will have no right to an opinion men will be drafted like slaves into the service of the state

 Alice Bailey externalization of hierarchy

[John Schmidt]

Say what you will about the Robersons, but unless you spend some time actually talking to them you have no clue what they're really like. My son-in-law lives in Louisiana and at one time taught school not far from Monroe. He has had a chance to talk to them, and his take is rather simple; through all the hoopla surrounding the entertainment business and all the stuff that has come out concerning their real lives, they are in fact very wholesome and true to the Word of God.

[cookiedough]

Phil Robertson makes some good points.  Not 100% sure on the Jesus thing, but he has some very valid points.

My opinion is our govt. is so wrapped up in being politically correct that they cannot get off their keester and man up to the evils in this world and blast them 6' under and let the chips fall where they may.   The US being a melting pot is so bad nowadays that anyone can get in and create evil.   Capital punishment being an eye for an eye is my opinion on what should be done. 

Love thy neighbor (to a degree as a figure of speech) and live and let live is my motto.  Once either interfer with MY life and well being,  shoot them all dead.   

[BF]

I  don't know what he believes , I just don't believe what on the TV or reported about his make believe world on the news

The whole world is fake man!!!  We're all just a computer simulation on some 13 year old alien kid's computer.

[Regis]

yep , I agree whole heartedly !

[Chrisj CMA]

Hey Oss, you cite atrocities done by Christians.  I say anything evil done in the name of Christianity was done by those that don't know Jesus.  Anyone can claim to be a Christian or claim to be serving a Christian Church, that doesn't make one a Christian. 

Having a relationship with Jesus Christ transcends religion, and even Jews (many have) can come to know the Lord in that way.

In fact the Bible says that a true Jew is one that has been circumcise in the heart (talking about a person converted through salvation) or born again.

I respect your belief but I keep expressing mine because I care about all my friends.  I don't want to get to the day when Im asked, why didn't you explain this to them,

[Romeo]

Wow, interesting reading for a gray winters morning in Michigan. I've been trying to organize my thoughts so I can attempt at least a somewhat thoughtful addition to the discussion.
What I think is this. Religion at its worst, is divisive. At its best is nurturing and healing. I believe that applies to all religions. Christianity has had some very dark days over history, caused, I believe by people in power that happened to be at best, mistaken in the message of scripture, at worst, just plain evil.
I think the same applies to all religions. To be sure, Islam and some of its teachings, opens itself up to a more decisive and evil interpretation.
I believe the real problem in our country lies in a recent phenomenon, that of believing their is NO EVIL, only misunderstanding and ignorance. We used to call it secular humanism. Now we call it progressive thought. It, of course is a belief by many that we can solve all the problems of the world if only we could convince everyone that everyone has good within them, and the only true evil is ignorance. People that believe in this manner have no room in their values to allow for the fact that a force for evil exists, and has always existed. They refuse to acknowledge that this same force for evil is working in them constantly.
I believe without a doubt, our country was founded on values that have their grounding in Judeo- Christian ethic. Not Islam, not Hindi, not Buddhism, not Taoism, or any other ism.
I also believe that we became a shining beacon of light around the world because we, by in large,
 held these values as important.
Part of our belief was acknowledging the existence of evil.