Pitt Bull Attacks

[BF]

And now, for a different take on the Pit Bull.....the Bull Wiener.    







And yes....it's real.  

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2932758/Rami-pitbull-dachshund-goes-viral-potential-owners-line-adopt-rare-mix.html

Rami the Pithund : A Pitbull-Dachshund Mix Exists This Is Not A Joke	powered by Aeva

Dachshund-Pitbull mix has a huge head and tiny feet	powered by Aeva

[Xtracho]

That little dog has thousands of potential adoption applications pending.

[Jersey mike]

I came across this bit of news w/ video this morning and remembered this thread was ongoing.

it apparently is from October '14 about a Pit and a baby deer...only about 1 minute long.

http://www.littlebudha.com/this-injured-deer-is-caught-in-the-fence-now-watch-what-the-pit-bull-does/?utm_source=outbrain&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=this-injured-deer_LB_Desktop_Only

[Xtracho]

Have seen that video. There are thousands more like that as well & far outnumber the anecdotal stories posted by the haters.

[dreamaker]

I am totally lost now, what is the point or objective to this thread. Not wanting to be disrespectful to anyone, but we sound like a bunch of women. OK!! Understand, humans are the only ones, on the face of the earth that kill for pleasure, so when a pit bull, shows compassion to a deer, I don't see that as be unusual. But keeping in mind, that pit bulls are something humans whipped up from their chemistry set, so they can be unpredictable.  Normally animals kill for two reasons, for food and to protect and survive. But some human has a better idea and screws with nature and then wonders why it has gone bad, that is sad. Here we are comparing lemons to nuts and snakes, lion and what ever, so I am totally LOST.  So can some briefly explain the point to me.

[Gavin_Sons]

A pit's jaws do not lock....a myth perpetrated by the same ilk of people in this thread with nothing more than mere anecdotes to support their weak ass position on the animal. I trust my dogs around my kids more than I would many of you. Just as you trigger happy, "mouthful of lead" kind of paranoiacs would immediately shoot a pit, vicious or not, should it wander onto your property....I will defend my dogs with equal force. Don't like my dogs....there is a damn good chance I'm not going to care very much for you either.

But guess what? If I shoot and kill your agressive dog on my property and you get all pissed because you were not being a responsible owner ( not saying your not, just a scenario) and you return the favor of shooting and killing me, you spend the rest of your life behind bars and only get to kiss your wife and kids with a 3/4" piece of glass between you. Just saying. And no I would not just shoot any dog that wonders onto my property. I'd me more inclined to play with it and if it was hungry offer it food, but if it tries to bite me I will kill it.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I am totally lost now, what is the point or objective to this thread. Not wanting to be disrespectful to anyone, but we sound like a bunch of women. OK!! Understand, humans are the only ones, on the face of the earth that kill for pleasure, so when a pit bull, shows compassion to a deer, I don't see that as be unusual. But keeping in mind, that pit bulls are something humans whipped up from their chemistry set, so they can be unpredictable.  Normally animals kill for two reasons, for food and to protect and survive. But some human has a better idea and screws with nature and then wonders why it has gone bad, that is sad. Here we are comparing lemons to nuts and snakes, lion and what ever, so I am totally LOST.  So can some briefly explain the point to me.

Threads take on a life of their own. There is no point.

[dreamaker]

I am totally lost now, what is the point or objective to this thread. Not wanting to be disrespectful to anyone, but we sound like a bunch of women. OK!! Understand, humans are the only ones, on the face of the earth that kill for pleasure, so when a pit bull, shows compassion to a deer, I don't see that as be unusual. But keeping in mind, that pit bulls are something humans whipped up from their chemistry set, so they can be unpredictable.  Normally animals kill for two reasons, for food and to protect and survive. But some human has a better idea and screws with nature and then wonders why it has gone bad, that is sad. Here we are comparing lemons to nuts and snakes, lion and what ever, so I am totally LOST.  So can some briefly explain the point to me.

Threads take on a life of their own. There is no point.

I guess your right!!  Just like a woman, Right!!     LOL

Speaking of owner responsibility, as I said before I ride my bicycle on the bike trails, I remember last summer one thing got my attention.  Was young lady, kind of hot and fit, pushing a baby stroller, with two Labs on leashes(Labs were social and friendly) and she was on rollerblades going down the trail. What do you think responsible or not for an owner.

[Xtracho]

responsible owner

And that, Gavin, is the crux of the matter.

My apologies for my comments. I tend to let my passion for my dogs guide my fingers sometimes.

[Gavin_Sons]

responsible owner

And that, Gavin, is the crux of the matter.

My apologies for my comments. I tend to let my passion for my dogs guide my fingers sometimes.

Hey, no worries here. I love my dogs too and would be devastated if someone shot one.

[DIGGER]

Have seen that video. There are thousands more like that as well & far outnumber the anecdotal stories posted by the haters.

in the following article from Dogbite.ORG  it states that from January 1, 2014 to April 11, 2014 Pitt Bull attacks were FATAL EVERY 9.2 DAYS.   Every 9.2 days someone lost their life, their dreams, their families.....to a Pitt Bull.    For every good article about Pitt Bulls you can give.....I can give you an attack news article......

U.S. Fatal Dog Attacks Accelerate During First Part of Year (January 1, 2014 to April 11, 2014)

DogsBite.org - In the first 101 days of this year, 16 Americans were killed by dogs. On average, that is a fatal attack inflicted by a canine every 6.3 days in the U.S. since January 1. Pit bulls and their mixes are responsible for 69% (11) of these deaths. Pit bulls alone have an average kill rate of every 9.2 days during this period. Followed by the only other dog breed to inflict more than one death so far in 2014, bullmastiffs 13% (2). Three other dog breeds have inflicted one death.

[dreamaker]

Just thinking out loud, we assume that the only changed are on the outside, meaning the body itself. We always assume that the creation or breeding of the animals, is of a positive change. Maybe, the pits brain is not developed, for a domestic environment. Sort of retardation, very low temperament, low tolerance threshold, like could happen when, say in an incest situation. Like breeding immediate family members together. And rather the mental defect being a one time problem, it becomes the characteristic of the dog. Don't know, but to many incident are happening.

[BF]

I love dogs...and for the most part, dogs seem to love me. 

However, take this for what you will, and just from my personal experience, the only dog breeds that have ever acted like they wanted to eat me are a couple different Chihuahuas, one German Shepard back in the '70's, and several different Pit Bulls over the years. 

Other than those, I've never had a problem with ANY other dog, whether mutt or pure breed. 

[Lyn-Del]

Man breeds animals to suit needs/desires.  The Border Collie, among others, was developed to work livestock.  The average Border Collie has very strong herding instincts (mine, on the other hand, was terrified of sheep).  Labradors, Goldens, etc., were bred to have strong retrieves, and the Terriers were developed mostly to handle vermin.

The sport of animal fighting was popular at one time, and those dogs that showed the most aptitude for fighting were bred in order to create even stronger aptitudes.  At that time, dogs that bit humans were NOT desired, and that trait was not intentionally encouraged.   These fighting dogs were bred to never surrender or accept surrender.

Sometimes breeds of dogs get popular, and the breed suffers mightily.  Thanks to Disney's 101 Dalmatians, there was a time that the Dalmatian breed was outrageously popular AND everyone who had a Dal was determined to breed and make money from it.  Consequently, for a too-long period of time, entire litters of Dals were destroyed as they grew up without being sold.  Finally the craze died down, and there is a higher number of well-bred dogs instead of "fast money" Dals.

Pit Bulls have become one of the "fad" dogs.  In the quest of being "tough" some folks have taken these dogs, mishandled and mistreated them, bred them indiscriminately, and given the breed in general a bad name.  

Breed specific legislation was put into place in many areas, outlawing Pit Bulls, and now those laws are being repealed as they had no effect on the problem.  

Many people choose dogs based on no information, or misinformation.  Many dogs are chosen strictly because of their appearance.  I have had Dalmatians (as well as other breeds) since 1975.  They were not chosen for their appearance (ok, not only for appearance), but for their other breed characteristics.  Dalmatians were developed to guard against "highwaymen" and they traveled alongside or under the coaches as people traveled.  As the dogs were always in the company of horses, an affinity for horses was selected for in breeding (I have had one Dal who was disliked horses, her litter brother used to run out into the pasture and graze with them).  People choose the dog for it's striking looks, and are dismayed because the dog is destructive and aggressive.   Do you know the difference between aggression and protection?  Most people don't.  Often, "aggression" is misguided protection.  That's another story.  Anyway, the dogs are not given the amount of exercise they need -- these dogs are marathon runners -- or the training and guidance a protection dog needs in order to distinguish between friend and foe.

Back to the Pit Bulls......  Many so-called Pit Bulls aren't.  I recall a picture of a "Pit Bull" in a newspaper some years back -- it was a PUG.  Short coat, shortened muzzle.  That's the basic definition of a Pit Bull when breed is determined of a stray.   Boxers have been called Pits, along with several other breeds.  

You can't tell a dog's ancestry just by glancing at the dog.  My Ranger is a mix, I owned his parents (his mother died Thursday).  Almost every one who meets him thinks he's a Lab mix, often with Greyhound.  His mother was my German Shepherd, his father was a liver and white (brown and white) Dalmatian.  She came in season two months early while I was out of town.  Oops.  He's jet black, with a small white area on his chest.  His ears are neither prick ears like his mother, nor drop ears like his dad.  They're "rose" ears like the Greyhound.  But if someone were to describe him to officials, he would likely be a Lab mix.  Just like a lot of strays are "Pit Bulls" when described.  

Take a look at http://www.pickthepit.com/

I've spent time with quite a few Pit Bulls.  They are intelligent dogs, and good at problem solving.  Which means that, if the dogs are NOT given training and kept exercised, one of the problems they may solve is how to get out and get some exercise and have fun.  

[Gavin_Sons]

That test is completly wrong in my opinion. That pit bull they say is one looks nothing like the full blooded pits I have been around. There are so many variations in body shape and head shape in the pit bull gene pool who is to say what is what? I think im with dreamaker on this. Maybe the majority of pits are mentally challenged because of inbreeding to get the perfect dog. Just makes sense.

[Bighead]

The pictures are correct only one Pit in the whole group. Would look exactly like mine did if it were darker brown.Maybe those were not full blooded pits you were around and you said what is what.
I have a friend who has two Staffordshire Terriers and they are mistaken for Pit bulls all the time.

[dreamaker]

You know, Lyn-Del you made a good point about the pits intelligent. The pit from across the street, on other occasions, I would be working in garage and watch him negotiate a way to open the gate. On three occasions that I know of, he would get out, finally they lock and chained the gate. He just wanted to visit and say Hi and stretch his legs. He scared crap out of me the first time I met him, but he was just friendly baby like, interesting thing though. It kind of got my attention, he put his mouth around my wrist, like a bone, didn't bit down, but seem odd he would do that. To this day I make a clicking sound with my mouth and he is tail wagging and wanting to visit.

Now on the other hand, I was in  Mt Clemens, on bike an car night, I was sitting in a chair just off the sidewalk. Lots of people walking by, cars an bikes cruising in the street. OK!!  There was a group of about six people off the sidewalk talking among themselves, and not paying any attention around themselves. Here comes a guy walking a pit bull down the same walk, as they approached , I was looking at the pit and noticed he got sort of white eyed looking at the group of people talking. Now they weren't the only people on the sidewalk, the dogs sight were on the group and then he suddenly lunged at them barking and wanting a piece of them.  The owner pulled him away and continued walking.  The only thing I could figure was, because dogs have super smelling capabilities, a smell posed a threat to him. Because it suddenly all came out of no where, then when they passed it was back to normal. Seemed odd!!

[DIGGER]

http://blog.dogsbite.org/2015/01/2015-dog-bite-fatality-7-year-old-boy.html

[Patrick]

This is one type of critter that I don't like or trust. Pits are real problem in our small town.
The dogs in this article sure seem to have had some breeding issues, but, regardless, a Pit is an animal that I don't trust and would not turn my back on.

[Big Al of Tennessee]

Understand whey these things continue to be allowed.

Kids, woman and others maimed or killed seems like too often.

Another child mauled and killed in Pa.

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/2-Year-Old-Mauled-to-Death-by-Pit-Bull-in-Pittsburgh-Suburb-293638291.html?partner=xfinity1

[Gavin_Sons]

[BF]

But those are the sweetest, most family friendly dogs that you could ever own.....right up until they rip your face off. 

[BobB]

 

But those are the sweetest, most family friendly dogs that you could ever own.....right up until they rip your face off. 

[Mobile Mayor]

Any dog can be a mean dog.  I had a somewhat aggressive pit, a doberman, and a german sheppard. If you don't know how to turn bad traits into good conduct, or encourage agressive behavior, you shouldn't have the dog.  All of mine were good with me, strangers and kids, and other animals.  Because of circumstances they had to un-learn some bad traits.

[Lyn-Del]

Dogs have needs in order to have a chance to be good citizens.  They need training and guidance from their people, they need purpose in their lives.  Funny, that's an awful lot like kids, huh?

Dogs that are "backyard dogs" will be more likely to be dogs that get out and cause trouble.  Dogs that are family members and are trained properly will be less likely to be a dog that gets out and looks for trouble.

A bored dog is a dog that will FIND something to do.  That would include finding a way to get somewhere else.

Puppies are often removed from litters too young.  Yes, they are often fully weaned by 5 weeks, but that's when the lessons begin.  Over the next few weeks, puppies learn from their mother and from each other how to behave respectfully with other dogs.  Puppies bite in play, but if they bite too  hard, the intended playmate won't play.  So puppies learn to control their bite -- we call this "bite inhibition" and it's what allows us to play bitey games with our dogs without bleeding.  I've had dogs that would play tug  with me -- my hand was the "tug toy".  No blood shed, because the dog knew how hard it was safe to bite.

Yes, Pit Bulls are strong, powerful dogs.  And yes, their history is that they were bred and developed for dog fighting.  HOWEVER, in the days of dog fighting, the dog handlers could go into the ring and separate two dogs that were locked in battle, and those dogs did NOT bite the handlers.  Any dog that did bite a  human was usually removed from the gene pool.  Immediately. 

There are a lot of Pits that I know and love.  Do I have one?  No.  They aren't on my "I want one" list, but that doesn't mean I won't end up with one some day. 

We don't need more dog laws, any more than we need more gun laws.  There are good laws on the books, they just need to be enforced.  Leash laws are in effect in most places, and if dogs were kept on leash or otherwise secured on the owner's property, there wouldn't be as many problems.  But people want the "bad ass" image that is attached to Pit Bulls, but they don't necessarily want the dog itself.  So the dog ends up tossed into a back yard with little attention.  Or worse, it ends up chained, which really builds a lot of frustration for the dog -- he can't get to anything, but it can all get to  him.  Enough to drive anyone mad.

Some people say that a dog is a dog, but man intervened there a long time ago.  We created dogs with very different traits to serve very different purposes.  Now, many of those jobs are no longer common, and dogs are chosen for looks rather than for characteristics.  Ever known anyone with a Lab that can't break the dog from carrying everything around?  Yep, that's why they're RETRIEVERS, they fetch stuff.  Constantly. sometimes.  Herding dogs are likely to nip at your kids' heels, trying to herd the kids into place and control them.  The dog isn't a bad dog, he's just a dog driven to do a job when there's really no job to be done.

It's not the dog's fault.  He is what he is.  He would benefit from an owner -- not a guardian, not a "pet parent", but an owner -- that cares enough for the dog to spend quality time with the dog, training and shaping the dog to become a dog that's a good neighbor.

Yes, there are some dogs that seem to be born bad.  I have one.  He started out attacking people when he was five months old.  It's been hard work, but he went out this weekend and earned his Nose Work 1 title, never paying much attention to any of the people milling around.  Four of my dogs competed over the weekend, each in a different trial.  Three titled, the one that didn't is my 13 year od who was entered just for fun.  She did better than I had expected, so it was worth it to enter her.  We spent three long days, and had some fun together.

Working with aggressive dogs, or dogs with "issues" is not easy, it's not fast.  But improvement can be seen.  I can't change my boy into one of those "loves everybody all the time" dogs but I have made him into a dog that can safely be around people and other dogs as long as I am vigilant and maintain control of the dog and the situation.   Works for us.

It would probably work for many of the problem dogs that end up in the news, too.

[art]

We have had many different dogs and the most loyal and scariest was a 150lb female Akita which is also on the homeowners ins. list. She would go after any dog that came near her in a threatning (spelling?)way. I've seen her in action,not good. We saved a pit from certain death on the socal freeway and took it home to our back yard. The Akita found him down by the garage about 250" from the house and attacked him twice before we had to separate them. I finally found a home for the pit. I belive my Akita saved my family from danger one night while I was working the swing shift. My wife found blood on the door screen in the back yard ,75 ' down the walk,100' up the driveway ,over the gate and down the street. The dog house was in the back near the screen door. Someone or something got hurt that night. Sure do miss that Akita.

[Jess from VA]

Akita's don't like other dogs.  A good friend had one and he was a great dog for the family, right up until he killed the blind neighbor lady's seeing eye dog (over her fence, in her yard).  He got put down that day (and bought her a new seeing eye dog).

If you have an aggressive dog of any breed, it's on you to control him 24 X 7 X 365. Anything he does is your fault, period. 

[art]

Your right, every other dog she came into contact she was ready but we kept her under control. One time camping in Ca.  my son was bit by another big dog and it was just a scratch. The owner said the dog had all his shots. A few nights later the dog came down to our cam p ground and was barking at us and some friends. I went up to confront the owner. He was a much bigger guy than I but I had the akita and a trusty 45 automatic. His dog attacked and my akita got up to attack back . His dog took off so fast that we never seen it again. As to the other two make campers they stopped dead in there tracks when they seen what happened and that I was armed. I called the park rangers and told them what went down and their response was if that dog was aggressive it would be shot . They never seen it either but took the owner away. Like you say they are dogs to be careful around but do make very good home watch dogs and will protect family.

[Patrick]

My cousin rescued an abused Akita which turned out to be a great big baby. He was a great happy dog. I think he was always grateful to get into a good home. At the time we had a 100# male lab and a 10# female Shih Tzu.  That 'little crap Su ' could crawl all over and abuse both those dogs as could the kids.

[DIGGER]

Another 2 yr old child dies a violent death in PA. to a Pitt Bull this week

http://www.fatalpitbullattacks.com/

[Patrick]

That article says death by Pit bull now averages 21/yr.  Thats an average I don't like.

[Jess from VA]

If you like your pit bull, keep your pit bull.

If you don't like it, send it to congress (WH, DOJ, IRS, BATFE).

[Dred]

Yikes ... guess I'm part of the problem.  I didn't read the thread, but I do love and care for a pair (mother and son) of ferocious pitbulls.  Ferocious is sorta relative 'cause my Frenchie is the boss of the pack, but ...

Gotta believe what you gotta believe.

[Patrick]

If you like your pit bull, keep your pit bull.

If you don't like it, send it to congress (WH, DOJ, IRS, BATFE).

LOL

[Xtracho]

Gotta believe what you gotta believe.

Ain't that the cursed truth.

[Spirited-6]

And now, for a different take on the Pit Bull.....the Bull Wiener.    







And yes....it's real.  

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2932758/Rami-pitbull-dachshund-goes-viral-potential-owners-line-adopt-rare-mix.html
Rami the Pithund : A Pitbull-Dachshund Mix Exists This Is Not A Joke

Dachshund-Pitbull mix has a huge head and tiny feet

This "dog" has a very CRAZEY LOOK IN HIS EYES . IMOP. 

[big d]

Almost every pitbull attack I've seen or heard are caused by idiots who buy this breed of dogs and let them loose in the backyard the whole day without giving them any attention or affection whatsoever. Pitbulls like any other dogs need the right amount of socialization, training, attention, and love. You give them all this and they will be the sweetest dog in the world. I know this because I have an Amstaff that I rescued 2 years back. She is sweet, emotional and temperamental but very very loyal and obedient. I know if a time ever comes, she will put her life at stake to protect ours.

Untill she wakes up with an earache one morning and when you reach to pet her she takes your hand off.   These dogs are a time bomb and will attack sooner or later.

Digger, it is obvious you hate any dog that can be listed as a pit bull. It is not the dog, it is frequently the owner( lack of knowledge of training and or breeding) that is the problem.
 While growing up my parents got a Saint Bernard. A big lovable breed. Found out later it was way too closely bred. It would lay down and roll over on its back offering his belly for you to rub. If you watched closely you could see his manor change along with his eyes. Next, before you could react he would be up with, you on your back and his paws on your shoulders. Growling in your face. He weighed in at two hundred pounds. If a Saint Bernard bit down on your arm or leg he would snap the bones with out even trying very much. Most power of all dogs in their jaws.
 Also in the same time frame a neighbor had an Irish setter that would terrorize the neighborhood. Had to walk past this house in order to walk to school and it would try to attack everyone passing by. The Irish setter bit 6 children in the neighborhood.
 Goes to show any animal that is not trained properly will act out. The media chooses to magnify all dog attacks when it involves pit bulls.

[DIGGER]

Almost every pitbull attack I've seen or heard are caused by idiots who buy this breed of dogs and let them loose in the backyard the whole day without giving them any attention or affection whatsoever. Pitbulls like any other dogs need the right amount of socialization, training, attention, and love. You give them all this and they will be the sweetest dog in the world. I know this because I have an Amstaff that I rescued 2 years back. She is sweet, emotional and temperamental but very very loyal and obedient. I know if a time ever comes, she will put her life at stake to protect ours.

Untill she wakes up with an earache one morning and when you reach to pet her she takes your hand off.   These dogs are a time bomb and will attack sooner or later.

Digger, it is obvious you hate any dog that can be listed as a pit bull. It is not the dog, it is frequently the owner( lack of knowledge of training and or breeding) that is the problem.
 While growing up my parents got a Saint Bernard. A big lovable breed. Found out later it was way too closely bred. It would lay down and roll over on its back offering his belly for you to rub. If you watched closely you could see his manor change along with his eyes. Next, before you could react he would be up with, you on your back and his paws on your shoulders. Growling in your face. He weighed in at two hundred pounds. If a Saint Bernard bit down on your arm or leg he would snap the bones with out even trying very much. Most power of all dogs in their jaws.
 Also in the same time frame a neighbor had an Irish setter that would terrorize the neighborhood. Had to walk past this house in order to walk to school and it would try to attack everyone passing by. The Irish setter bit 6 children in the neighborhood.
 Goes to show any animal that is not trained properly will act out. The media chooses to magnify all dog attacks when it involves pit bulls.

Man.....I don't hate all dogs....had my share of them in the pst.   It's not that I hate Pitt Bulls....It's just that I love Little children.  On that website i posted most of the Pitt Bull victems are beautifull little children who died an EXTREMELY VIOLENT DEATH by pitt bull.....torn limb by limb.....not just a Pitt Bull......but the Pitt Bull of a good family who treated and loved their dog well....the family Pitt Bull.....they are killers and JMHO no one needs to have one in a house with little children....they are a ticking time bomb.......yeah....you have a right to own the dog of your choice.....but the parents of the kids on the website thought their pitt bull wouldn't hurt a fly either....if you have a pitt bull in your home along with small children.....please reconsider.

[Xtracho]

Had them for over 20 years. Raised two daughters with them. Raising two grand kids now. Not one "ticking time bomb" incident....ever. The only ticking time bomb incident you'll ever witness with my pits, or my English Bull Terrier, is if you try to harm my wife, my daughters, or my grand kids.

[Jess from VA]

I think it's now official.

This subject is now more divisive/controversial than car tires or oil (or secretaries).

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Esp when the opposing viewpoints are as well thought out and (mostly) respectfully written, backed with facts, and sincerely presented by most posters on both sides of the fence.

But please, dueling is now illegal almost everywhere.