Outlawing 556 ammo

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

Anybody see this?
The was I see this is as follows.
Since "you know who" can't get anyone to vote for gun control he intends to outlaw what is probably the most widely used ammo for the most popular rifle in America. And, the way I read this, nearly any rifle ammo could be outlawed the same way since there are handguns chambered for nearly all rifle ammo. I would think even the 140+ year-old 45/70 cartridge could be outlawed since it's chambered in revolvers. And to outlaw any other ammo, someone would just need to manufacture a revolver, magazine fed bolt action or semi-auto handgun that can fire it.

I hope I'm wrong about the implications of this but I doubt that I am.

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20150213/batfe-to-ban-common-ar-15-ammo

[Jess from VA]

I've been expecting more firearm pushback for the remainder of sh!thead's term.  So here we go.

[Serk]

Combined with their other recent ruling reversing a previous stance, now saying that if you take a legal stabilizer brace on a AR15 or AK pistol and bring the weapon up to your shoulder, now the act of shouldering the otherwise legal weapon is a federal felony (Manufacture of unlicensed short barreled rifle)... Yeah...

Gotta love law making by fiat... 

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/01/16/sig-brace-no-go-per-atf/

[Jess from VA]

The only way it becomes a rifle (an NFA short barreled rifle - SBR), is by considering the human arm as part of the butt-stock.  Which is really a bunch of BS.

So now what's the difference if I reach one or both arms out straight to hold my long barrel handgun?  An attachment point?

I seem to recall there being some problems with NFA over some older auto pistols that had attachable butt-stocks as accessories (I have an old hi power with the slots for a butt-stock)

I got a short barreled finger for them.  

I've seen a number of these AR-handgun-with-forearm-wrap-rear-ends on them for sale lately on my local gun boards.
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As far as the M855 62 gr 5.56 ammo goes, it's my understanding it was designed to do better against personnel at longer ranges (like in Iraq/Afghanistan) than the older M195 55gr ammo was.  And barrel twist rates were changed (speeded up to stabilize it).  And despite it's green tip it was never designed to be armor piercing (AP), and even BATFE had removed it from the AP list of prohibited ammo in the past.

So now it's politically correct to call it AP again?  Who told the BATFE to do this? (the HMFIC)

http://bearingarms.com/goodbye-greentip-atf-seeks-ban-common-ss109m855-5-56-ammunition/

http://www.itstactical.com/warcom/ammunition/military-ammunition-and-why-green-tip-m855-is-not-armor-piercing/

[Gavin_Sons]

Typical Obama bull crap. Just because it is the most popular riund fired out of one of those scary black guns they call an assult rifle. Because everyone now thinks AR stands for assult rifle. Good thing none of mine are chambered in 223.

[PAVALKER]

The only way it becomes a rifle (an NFA short barreled rifle - SBR), is by considering the human arm as part of the butt-stock.  Which is really a bunch of BS.

So now what's the difference if I reach one or both arms out straight to hold my long barrel handgun?  An attachment point?

I seem to recall there being some problems with NFA over some older auto pistols that ha'd attachable butt-stocks as accessories (I have an old hi power with the slots for a butt-stock)

I got a short barreled finger for them.  

I've seen a number of these AR-handgun-with-forearm-wrap-rear-ends on them for sale lately on my local gun boards.
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As far as the M855 62 gr 5.56 ammo goes, it's my understanding it was designed to do better against personnel at longer ranges (like in Iraq/Afghanistan) than the older M195 55gr ammo was.  And barrel twist rates were changed (speeded up to stabilize it).  And despite it's green tip it was never designed to be armor piercing (AP), and even BATFE had removed from the AP list of prohibited ammo in the past.

So now it's politically correct to call it AP again?  Who told the BATFE to do this? (the HMFIC)

http://bearingarms.com/goodbye-greentip-atf-seeks-ban-common-ss109m855-5-56-ammunition/

http://www.itstactical.com/warcom/ammunition/military-ammunition-and-why-green-tip-m855-is-not-armor-piercing/

Jess,

Please correct me if I am wrong...... But, I think they believe the way the arm brace is used determines what the gun is called.  If the butt of the arm brace is brought to the shoulder as the butt of a rifle would be, I think they are calling that the SBR and that falls under the NFA criteria.  However, just because it has the capability to be misused doesn't mean they should all be classified as such.  That would be like classifying all women with the proper body equipment to function as a hooker, or all men with a penis a rapist. 

And as for the 5.56 Green Tip, being classified as armor piercing,... As I understand it has been classified that for a long long time, but was exempted because it was not fired from a hand gun I believe.  Now  with that AR pistol, I think they are rethinking that.  I don't think the government should have their nose in saying what we should be permitted to have or not have..... The 2nd amendment allows us to have it, so be it.

[Chrisj CMA]

Just ordered some .500 ammo.  Shoot one box, order two, that has been my strategy, so my reserve keeps going up.  If they add other rounds to the banned list this one could be a hot target.


Oh did I mention we should IMPEACH OBAMA

[Jess from VA]

PAVALKER, I think you are right on all counts.

At this point, M855 is out of stock everywhere.

But in the spirit of the moment, I have about 100 lbs of other stuff coming my way.

[Serk]

For an online petition that carries a tiny bit more weight than just some random one, click here to win a free IRS audit (Or worse) - https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/stop-batfe-banning-xm855-ammunition/XrvVh1cj

[PAVALKER]

PAVALKER, I think you are right on all counts.

At this point, M855 is out of stock everywhere.

But in the spirit of the moment, I have about 100 lbs of other stuff coming my way.

   mo better than 100 rounds. 

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

A very good explanation of what's going on and where this could lead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rs-Pu8n_BHg&feature=youtu.be

[Jess from VA]

Nails it.

And the point about tissue damage from 55gr rounds likely tumbling in the body, and 62gr (M855) likely going through-and-through completely destroys all arguments against M855.

Hey kids, .22 long rifle ammo, from a rifle, penetrates most LE soft armor.

Defund BATFE.

[old2soon]

The 556 ban would be the very tippy top of the old proverbial iceberg.  This would be the "testing the waters" analogy. Well THAT went well let's now go after .357 .45 .40 .38 you DO see where this is headed. Attack on as many fronts as possible when it comes to the "certain inailable rights" granted to us by Our Constitution. Our Constitution DO NOT fit into their plans of this/OUR countries take over! Once they get the crack started their aim is too break it all completely beyond any hope of survival or repair. Might could be time to holler wolf? RIDE SAFE.

[Serk]

If you wanna send a nice letter to your senators requesting they defund the ATF until they back down on this and a few other things, this site has a nice pre-made one, fill out a few places and it'll do the rest:

http://cqrcengage.com/gunowners/app/write-a-letter?8&engagementId=80535

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

If you wanna send a nice letter to your senators requesting they defund the ATF until they back down on this and a few other things, this site has a nice pre-made one, fill out a few places and it'll do the rest:

http://cqrcengage.com/gunowners/app/write-a-letter?8&engagementId=80535

Done.
Thanks Serk

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

In case anybody is interested, below is the E mail I sent to my US Senators. I sent a similar one to my Representative.


As a working gunsmith I have some knowledge of firearms and ammunition. Thompson Center, Freedom Arms, Remington and many other manufacturers make or have made handguns chambered for virtually all rifle cartridges including the 30/06, 45/70, 7mm08 and .308 Winchester. These are some of most popular hunting cartridges in America and all could be banned using the administrations new interpretation of old laws.

As a matter of fact, I suspect banning virtually all rifle ammunition is the long term goal of this new interpretation. American citizens are the largest armed group on the face of the planet. This makes our country and citizens uniquely safer and better protected from all threats than any other group of citizens on the planet. It's also the reason so many world wide are trying to take away our rights.

Please, use your office to the fullest to protect our citizens from this attempt to circumvent one of the most basic civil rights guaranteed by our Constitution.

[solo1]

I've already contacted my Do nothing Congress.

I do not own a 5.56 shooter of any kind but if I wait until the sob goes after mine, then.............

Let's not get into the semantics here, just let YOUR do nothing ones in DC know what you think about the latest command from our king, errr, our POTUS.

[Jess Tolbirt]

i heard it was the .222 and not the 5.56 that was banned on the radio this morning.

[Jess from VA]

Nothing is banned yet, but it is the 5.56 M855 (nearly all rifles will also take .223) they are going after.

Not .222

[Jess Tolbirt]

oops my bad i meant 223

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

They are using the reasoning that ammo chambered in handguns that can penetrate some body armor can't be sold to civilians.

Since most rifle rounds are also chambered in handguns this argument could be used to outlaw virtually all rifle ammo used in America.

[bigguy]

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Say the Govt hasn't LIED again   

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2015/03/06/exclusive-atf-has-already-banned-common-at15-green-tip-ammunition-n1966761#!