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Patrick
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« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2015, 11:53:25 AM » |
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I agree. Its hard to comment, because this is so stupid. The article is unbelievable. I think the sheriff wants the gun for himself.
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Big Rig
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« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2015, 12:00:17 PM » |
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As I live in the state...I will say...the gun laws here are by far the WORST!
They use the law to throw away common sense...trust me, there are plenty of shootings in this state...I am quite sure they last time someone was shot with or at with a flint lock in this states was well over 100 years ago.
I can not wait to move away from this state of confusion...
Camden NJ is second only to Detroit as the most violent city in the USA...
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« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2015, 12:20:32 PM » |
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A good example of the willingly ignorant voting in those who would do them harm.
Enjoy, dumb ass voters.
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« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2015, 12:32:13 PM » |
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Yay Detroit.  |
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« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2015, 01:01:36 PM » |
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they were waiting for ballistics  Words escape me...  Black Dog
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« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2015, 01:03:27 PM » |
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they were waiting for ballistics Words escape me... Black Dog ....he probably had a couple thousand rounds of those "cop killer" hollow points for it as well  |
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Live From Sunny Winter Springs Florida via Huntsville Alabama
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« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2015, 01:12:30 PM » |
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He needs this NJ lawyer at all costs http://www.evannappen.com/about.html |
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« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2015, 01:49:40 PM » |
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I've been to joisey.  Think I'd rather have a root canal without pain killers than to go back! A 1700s era flint lock-who ever said the sheriff must want that weapon may be closer to the truth than we know! So historical weapons are NOT exempt? THIS is ALL of the reason I NEVER consent to a search. NOT that I have a flint lock or drugs but let them wake up a judge. But I digress-any one with GOOD COMMON sense would KNOW this weapon is not a threat in this guys possession. BUT when was the last time that sheriffs dept or the politicians there were accuse of having GOOD COMMON sense??  RIDE SAFE. |
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« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2015, 01:59:40 PM » |
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A perfect example of a "common sense gun law" the left is always talking about  |
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« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2015, 03:06:36 PM » |
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Any gun made before January 1, 1899 is legally an aantique and not considered a firearm under federal law. So he will get to walk free no matter what. They are just harassing him because they want what he has. Crooked politics is all it is. No matter what gun laws they put in place you can still own a firearm as long as it was made pre 1899.
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« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2015, 04:40:56 PM » |
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Any gun made before January 1, 1899 is legally an aantique and not considered a firearm under federal law. So he will get to walk free no matter what. They are just harassing him because they want what he has. Crooked politics is all it is. No matter what gun laws they put in place you can still own a firearm as long as it was made pre 1899.
Hmmm, I didn't know that. I wonder if he does ? |
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« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2015, 04:43:34 PM » |
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Ballistics is purely comedic. This is a smoothbore using a soft lead round ball. There is no ballistic signature.
Wrong on the Federal Curio and Relic laws (1899), this is State law and a State prosecution. Unless unconstitutional, States can and regularly do exceed Federal regulations/restrictions in many areas.
Any state prosecutor who takes this to trial should be removed of his manhood.
Even if dismissed, he will not get his no doubt expensive antique back.
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« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2015, 04:45:00 PM » |
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Idiots all of them! WTF are they thinking? oh I forgot they are not thinking at all. |
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« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2015, 05:36:13 PM » |
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NJ state law, he had the pistol in the glove box, no ammo and wrapped in cloth. He did everything but have a rope/string wrapped around the cloth which would have met all requirements of transporting it.
If he was required to have a pistol permit is something else based on the age of the gun.
another insane Nazi jersey law, it is illegal to have any type of knife on ones person.
all knives are illegal, if they can prove your criminal intent for the reason one has the knife.
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« Reply #15 on: February 18, 2015, 05:43:53 PM » |
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Wow, you Jersey folks need to vote in some new politicians. Whoever comes up with these laws are stupid and the people that vote for them are even "stupider". I carry a gun and 2 knives with me daily if I were in New Jersey I would be locked up and treated like a terriost by the sounds of it.
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« Reply #16 on: February 19, 2015, 07:07:56 AM » |
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I carry a knife daily, as all my guns were lost in a boating accident...
I carry with no criminal intent...I also do not carry for self defense...I carry for incidental contact...
I agree, these laws have been in place for a long time before I moved here. I will tell you, that this guy will not have a carry/purchase permit. He will walk but without the gun.
At this point, I do not know where to point the finger, the state is full moronic laws and of people who follow them blindly...
Hey, but our guv-nor is a cowboy fan and is not afraid to show it...stoopid is what stooooooopid does...
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« Reply #17 on: February 19, 2015, 08:47:38 AM » |
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they were waiting for ballistics Words escape me... Black Dog Maybe they're hoping to solve a cold case, finally bringing a suspect to justi... never mind. |
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« Reply #18 on: February 19, 2015, 09:01:25 AM » |
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Yay Detroit. Detroit has always been #1 But seriously, most riders I know in metro Detroit carry concealed. |
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« Reply #19 on: February 19, 2015, 09:35:42 AM » |
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Take a closer look at NJ law; they specifically included antiques. Makes you wonder how many felonies have been committed with smoothbore, muzzleloading, cap-and-ball or flintlock pistols in the last 100 years or so. Maybe they have some really old Minuitemen that have gotten nasty and gone rogue after they passed 200 years old.
Possession
It is unlawful to knowingly possess any handgun, including any antique handgun, without first having obtained a Permit to Carry, and it is unlawful to knowingly possess any rifle or shotgun without having first obtained a Firearms Purchaser Identification Card (FID), however, no Permit to Carry or FID is required:
Antiques and Replicas
“Antique Firearm” means any rifle or shotgun incapable of being fired or discharged; or which does not fire fixed ammunition, regardless of date of manufacture; or was manufactured before 1898 for which cartridge ammunition is not commercially available, and is possessed as a curiosity or ornament or for its historical significance or value.
Carrying
It is unlawful to knowingly have in your possession a:
Handgun, including any antique handgun, without first obtaining a Permit to Carry. No distinction is drawn between carrying openly or concealed.
Rifle or shotgun without first obtaining a FID card. It is Illegal to carry a loaded shotgun or rifle in any vehicle, or to shoot from any vehicle or across any road.
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« Reply #20 on: February 19, 2015, 10:14:50 AM » |
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i was stationed in new jursey back in 1972 at lake hurst,, i got a ticket for stopping in the middle of the road for no cause,, the light turned red, i stopped, i couldnt get going again because of the 2 feet of snow,, the cop and I were the only two idiots on the road at that time at 2:30 in the morning...my excuse was i was from Tx and didnt know how to drive in that stuff, i asked him what his excuse was when he couldnt get going again either,,the cop came to court with me and got the ticket dismissed but i still had to go to court...
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« Reply #21 on: February 19, 2015, 11:33:08 AM » |
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I have an 1898 Colt Naval Service Revolver 41 caliber. It has antique status. It was recommended to me not to carry it (legally) without a FOID card. If it was taken by police to be shown in court , It would probably get lost if it was supposed to be returned to me. I have the origional holster (poor condition) with this gun .
It was issued to a relative in the Chicago Police deparement in 1906 (I believe).
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Patrick
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« Reply #22 on: February 19, 2015, 05:44:12 PM » |
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Its being said that 'they' can give this guy 42 months !
Its still absolute BS to even think twice about this, ridiculous to arrest him.
As I mentioned, the sheriff wants this mans gun.
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« Reply #23 on: February 20, 2015, 05:00:55 AM » |
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Nazi jersey has concealed carry law on the books, but rarely approves them for anybody. they'll take your money and application but a judge always denies one from having it.
last I checked only about 700 people have one in the most densely populated state in the nation.
most who have them had to prove they are bonded and carry large sums of money for a business.
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« Reply #24 on: February 20, 2015, 06:36:59 PM » |
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Ballistics is purely comedic. This is a smoothbore using a soft lead round ball. There is no ballistic signature.
Queen Anne's did come in rifled variations. You would still have to take ballistics off the patch if it were rifled, providing the ball size was exact, and the patch thickness were the same you might be able to measure smudge to smudge and make a guess. |
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Jess from VA
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« Reply #25 on: February 20, 2015, 06:53:41 PM » |
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Ballistics is purely comedic. This is a smoothbore using a soft lead round ball. There is no ballistic signature.
Queen Anne's did come in rifled variations. You would still have to take ballistics off the patch if it were rifled, providing the ball size was exact, and the patch thickness were the same you might be able to measure smudge to smudge and make a guess. Yeah, I thought about that later. And a 200+yo smooth bore probably has some scrapes/rust inside the bbl which might show up if the soft lead ball didn't completely deform or fly into pieces on what it hits. I still think performing ballistic testing on it is a comedy. Ahaa, we finally can close that case on Paul Revere.  And I really doubt the NJ (or any other) data base has one single record on a flintlock round ball weapons crime. |
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