Still clinging to the idea that Obama is a Christian?

[BF]

 “And I have to say that sometimes when I listen to less-than-loving expressions by Christians, I get concerned.”

https://nicedeb.wordpress.com/2015/04/07/video-obama-slams-less-than-loving-christians-as-christian-genocide-continues-throughout-the-world/

Steve Hayes, Editor of the Weekly Standard, noted on Fox News that it was odd that Obama would use the occasion of the prayer breakfast to talk about Christians not being loving – rather than the recent massacre of Christians in Kenya, Nigeria and elsewhere.

“It’s not just that he didn’t take this opportunity to point out the struggles Christians are dealing with throughout the world, Hayes said. “It’s also his focus on ‘non-loving things’ Christians are saying at the same time that his administration just this past week sort of shrugged off these ‘death to America’ chants that we heard in Iran – led and embraced by the Iran Supreme Leader.”

Hayes continued, “he doesn’t seem to be troubled by those…but he likes to focus on the alleged misdeeds or misstatements or anger of Christians.”

Al Sharpton was in attendance. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zEGqVmPp_M

[98valk]

Here’s the list of 10 Reasons Why Obama Is Not A Christian (according to the very non-Christian group, Defend Christians:

1.) Economics: Obama advocates for failed Marxist/socialist economic schemes that are based on envy and class warfare that divides the country and uses the government to steal from one group to give it to another.

2.) Marriage: Obama abdicated his sworn presidential duty to defend the laws of the United States by refusing to defend the Defense of Marriage Act and even actively worked to undermine the law.

3.) Religious Liberty: Obama signed “Hate Crimes” legislation that can result in prosecution for speaking against homosexuality. Even pastors who preach the biblical view of sexuality could face prosecution in certain situations.

4.) Abortion: Obama’s policies have caused taxpayer funded abortions in other nations and fund of embryonic stem cell research that kills human embryos. He gave $50 million to UN population agency for promoting abortion and working with China’s murderous “one child” policy. He eliminated federal funding for abstinence-only education and overturned the ban on funding abortions within Washington, D.C. During the 2011 budget debates, Obama refused to end funding for Planned Parenthood, almost causing the government to shut down.

5.) Homosexuality: Obama signed a bill repealing the “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy which opened the door to open homosexuality in the military. Now military chaplains will be pressured to perform homosexual unions. Obama had militant homosexuals as part of his inaugural events and even hosted a reception in the White House celebrating the fortieth anniversary of the homosexual rights movement.

Click here to join us in exposing Obama’s anti-Christian beliefs and actions!

6.) Liberal / Marxist Liberation Theology: Obama sat under a radical, Marxist minister, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, for 20 years and has adopted all of his Marxist ideology. Obama denies Christ’s atonement and mocks the Bible and rarely attends church, yet we are supposed to believe he’s Christian. Many believe he’s really a Muslim, and for some good reasons.

7.) National Christian Heritage: In a speech given in Turkey, Obama said, “we do NOT consider ourselves a Christian nation.” Obama intentionally misquotes the Declaration of Independence omitting “our Creator” as the source of our unalienable rights.

8.) Supreme Court Appointments: Justice Elena Kagan is a hardcore liberal on abortion, gun rights and homosexual marriage and is suspected to be a lesbian. Kagan wrote a brief supporting Clinton’s veto of a ban on partial birth abortion. While a Dean at Harvard, Kagan banned military recruiters from the campus. Kagan also opposed the Federal Defense of Marriage Act. Justice Sonia Sotomayor is a liberal and activist judge who believes courts should make policy not just interpret the constitution. Sotomayor argued for unlimited abortions for any reason throughout pregnancy and for taxpayer funding of abortions.

9.) Obama-care: Your tax dollars will pay for abortions and the older you get your life will be considered a liability and expendable. Some bureaucrat on a “DEATH PANEL” will ultimately decide if YOUR life is worth saving or not.

10.) Radical Czars: Kevin Jennings, Obama’s Safe School “czar,” is a militant, homosexual activist from Massachusetts. Radical pro-abortion advocate Kathleen Sebelius is Obama’s Secretary of Health and Human Services. She took a quarter of a million dollars from George Tiller, the notorious late term abortionist. Chai Feldblum, a lesbian law professor was appointed to the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. Feldblum said in any conflict that might arise between religious liberty and homosexual “rights,” she would have a hard time coming up with any case in which religious liberty should win.
http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/christian-anti-defamation-org-10-reasons-why-obama-is-not-a-christian/politics/2011/12/09/31572

[98valk]

Obama On “My Muslim Faith”

            On September 5th, 2008, in an ABC television network on-air conversation with former Clinton advisor turned political pundit, George Stephanopoulos, Obama uttered the line, “You’re absolutely right that John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith.”  Stephanopoulos quickly saved Obama from political disaster by reminding him that he meant to say his “Christian” faith.

            “I have never met a Christian, especially one who claims to have been a Christian for twenty years, mistakenly confuse Islam with Christianity when referring to his or her personal faith,” notes Dr. Cass.  “Perhaps this was Obama’s only candid public comment on his belief system since people started keeping track of the things he has said.”

didn't obama have this man killed???

Libyan Strongman Identifies Obama as Muslim

            On June 11th, 2008, Libyan leader Mu’ammar Al-Qadhafi was videotaped and broadcast on Al-Jazeera TV at a gathering as he referred to: “A black citizen of Kenyan African origins, a Muslim who studied in an Islamic school in Indonesia.  His name is Obama.  All of the people in the Arab and Islamic world and in Africa applauded this man.  They welcomed him and prayed for him and his success and they have been involved in a legitimate contribution campaign to win the American presidency.”

            Dr. Cass observes, “Clearly one of the world’s most vocal anti-American Arab leaders is convinced that Obama is a Muslim and is cheering the possibility of having a brother Muslim named the leader of the free world.  Just as troubling is the candid admission that Muslims in Arab countries and in Africa are making financial contributions to the Obama campaign.  It is against U.S. election laws for foreign nationals to give money to any candidate for federal office, but that is apparently not a deterrent to Obama or to Qadhafi.”

Obama’s Muslim Roots

Dr. Cass explains, “The most glaring misstatement of fact in the packaging of Obama for the presidency is assertion that—in his words—he is rooted in Christian tradition.  The claim is unsubstantiated.  His mother was, at best, an agnostic.  His biological father was a Muslim.  His stepfather was from a devout Muslim family.  Throughout his formative years, Obama lived in Indonesia, the world’s most populous Muslim society where—according to a passage in his first memoir, Dreams from My Father—he studied the Koran.  He lived his teen years with his maternal grandparents who, by his own description, were Universalists, not Christians.”

In a 2007 New York Times interview, entitled Obama, A man of the World, Obama fondly recalled the Islamic evening call to prayer as “one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.”  According to the article, “Obama went on to recite its opening lines with a perfect Arabic accent: “Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme! I witness that there is no god but Allah! I witness that there is no god but Allah! I witness that Muhammad is his prophet!”   

“A devoted follower of Jesus Christ would never say ‘Allah is supreme and there is no god but Allah,’” argues Dr. Cass.  “Sitting in a pew from time to time doesn’t make someone a Christian.  If anything, Obama is rooted in Islamic tradition.” 

too read more...
http://www.christianadc.org/resources/69-news-analysis-of-7-reasons-campaign

[Chrisj CMA]

Obama is no Christian.  He is a Muslim through and through, a friend of the Muslim brotherhood and afraid to call terrorists terrorists.  I guess that makes him more of a terrorist than a Christian.  I would like to see him clinging to his Koran in gitmo, that's what I would like to see.  OK, We can all dream cant we?

[Robert]

If for no other reason, no Christian would do to Netanyahu and Israel what this pres has done. You cannot love God and hate Israel, you cannot respect the Bible and what it teaches and turn on Israel. You cannot want whats best for the US and curse Israel.


Gen 12:2  And I will make you a great nation, And I will bless you, And make your name great; And so you shall be a blessing;
Gen 12:3  And I will bless those who bless you, And the one who curses you I will curse. And in you all the families of the earth will be blessed."

[Jess from VA]

Hard to be a Christian and the Antichrist at the same time.   

[3fan4life]

Obama is no Christian.  He is a Muslim through and through, a friend of the Muslim brotherhood and afraid to call terrorists terrorists.  I guess that makes him more of a terrorist than a Christian.  I would like to see him clinging to his Koran in gitmo, that's what I would like to see.  OK, We can all dream cant we?

That's not just a dream............. That's a WET dream.   

[Big Al of Tennessee]

FACTS:

Indonesia; Registered at the local primary school,,,A Young Muslim Barrack Hussein Obama,,,He has

 a statue there of

himself. Well he went by the name Barry Soetoro at the time to be fair.

Changed it to his namesake, later, on his own, for his PAPA in Kenya was an avowed Muslim

and Communist. Which is crazy, due the fact Muslims, and Godless Communists are a queer

kinship in the least.



 He Once quoted John 6:13, thinking, I am sure he was, thinking of John 3:16.

John 6:13 from memory states,,,,,They do these things because they do not know me.

I revert back to he does not know Christ or even his address.

Lying as a policy, does not lead one to believe he knows what a Christian is.


NOT CLINGING to his beliefs, as a Christian, but demonstrably berating Christians, for

Catholic sponsered raids on the

Holy Land, and Spanish Inquisition activities as a rule to stamp his approval on

Christian Egyptian Beheadings in Libya, by ISIS.

Inexcusable


Jeremiah Wright, Obama's Pastor of more than 20 years, states, yeah he was one of mine.

Jeremiah is quoted as saying" GOD DXXX, America, not God Bless America.

Barack could not remember he even attended the church of Mr. Wright.

Wright said he will say that so he can get elected.

[The emperor has no clothes]

FACTS:

Indonesia; Registered at the local primary school,,,A Young Muslim Barrack Hussein Obama,,,He has

 a statue there of

himself.

He ate dog as a meal. With his Muslim Papa.

 He Once quoted John 6:13, thinking, I am sure he was, thinking of John 3:16.

John 6:13 from memory states,,,,,They do these things because they do not know me.

I revert back to he does not know Christ or even his address.

Lying as a policy, does not lead one to believe he knows what a Christian is.


NOT CLINGING to his beliefs, but demonstrably berating Christians, for Catholic raids on the

Holy Land, and Spanish Inquisition activities as a rule to stamp his approval on

Christian Egyptian Beheadings in Libya.

Inexcusable

I ate cat in the P.I. I hope that doesn't make me a Muslim.

[Chrisj CMA]

For anyone that is offended by calling it as it is

[Big Al of Tennessee]

FACTS:

Indonesia; Registered at the local primary school,,,A Young Muslim Barrack Hussein Obama,,,He has

 a statue there of

himself.

He ate dog as a meal. With his Muslim Papa.

 He Once quoted John 6:13, thinking, I am sure he was, thinking of John 3:16.

John 6:13 from memory states,,,,,They do these things because they do not know me.

I revert back to he does not know Christ or even his address.

Lying as a policy, does not lead one to believe he knows what a Christian is.


NOT CLINGING to his beliefs, but demonstrably berating Christians, for Catholic raids on the

Holy Land, and Spanish Inquisition activities as a rule to stamp his approval on

Christian Egyptian Beheadings in Libya.

Inexcusable

I ate cat in the P.I. I hope that doesn't make me a Muslim.

I took the dog part out, later, it does not lend to the subject or point.

Thanks for pointing that out. Woof Woof,, Meow Meow.

[Chrisj CMA]

I took the dog part out, later, it does not lend to the subject or point.

Thanks for pointing that out. Woof Woof,, Meow Meow.

Good, cause I know I ate cat tacos in Okinawa, and Im pretty sure some of that "beef" was woof woof in Korea.  I wouldn't want to be ex-communicated again!

[old2soon]

Had monkey in the PI and some "stuff" I was less than sure what it was!   "Stuff" did not make me sick or kill me AND I wuz a LOT younger.   RIDE SAFE.

[Alien]

Who cares if he's Christian or not?  Seriously, what difference does/would it make?  Presidents are not required to be Christians, much as that may not sit well with some here.

[Serk]

Who cares if he's Christian or not?  Seriously, what difference does/would it make?  Presidents are not required to be Christians, much as that may not sit well with some here.

For me, from a "Is he Christian or not" perspective it makes no difference at all. Honestly, I'd prefer we get a non-religious president (Or at least one that can separate what THEY believe from what WE should believe), but, and this is where Obama fails, NOT one that won't stand up and publicly profess their lack of belief.

THAT is the difference. He has publicly claimed to be a Christian, which means if he isn't, he's demonstrably a liar.

[Alien]

Ah.  Point taken.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Who cares if he's Christian or not?  Seriously, what difference does/would it make?  Presidents are not required to be Christians, much as that may not sit well with some here.

For me, from a "Is he Christian or not" perspective it makes no difference at all. Honestly, I'd prefer we get a non-religious president (Or at least one that can separate what THEY believe from what WE should believe), but, and this is where Obama fails, NOT one that won't stand up and publicly profess their lack of belief.

THAT is the difference. He has publicly claimed to be a Christian, which means if he isn't, he's demonstrably a liar.

And if he is a Christian?

[Serk]

Who cares if he's Christian or not?  Seriously, what difference does/would it make?  Presidents are not required to be Christians, much as that may not sit well with some here.

For me, from a "Is he Christian or not" perspective it makes no difference at all. Honestly, I'd prefer we get a non-religious president (Or at least one that can separate what THEY believe from what WE should believe), but, and this is where Obama fails, NOT one that won't stand up and publicly profess their lack of belief.

THAT is the difference. He has publicly claimed to be a Christian, which means if he isn't, he's demonstrably a liar.

And if he is a Christian?

Then there's one less thing he's lied about, but... only one...

[The emperor has no clothes]

 

[Robert]

I doubt we have had a Christian president for a very long time. O is not only not Christian but also not really a person who has had a US upbringing. So he cannot sympathize with most US citizens nor feel empathy with what we go through here in the US. This allows him to trample the constitution, write executive orders at will, destroy the middle class and generally think of the US as a imperialist nation suppressing his people. This what he is in the processes of changing persuaded by people like George Soros and others on how its done. When you don't have sympathy for those you govern you can do anything to anyone and have a clear conscience.

  This country was ruled by the Mayflower compact essentially for 150 years. It was deemed inadequate for rule in a modern society so that is why we came up with the constitution and the governing documents we have now. The Mayflower Compact was christian rule the Constitution was Christian based rule of law. Most presidents have had a personal agenda that was not for the good of the country. When most people say they don't want Christian rule we have not really had it. Most have been Christian in name only, and that is where the problem arises.
     
    Who in their right minds or without a agenda would give someone else the control and ability to print money and then tax the very people who the money is printed for? At a substantially high interest with no ability to question this. True Christian values would not have allowed this.

   When you say you do or dont want a Christian president understand what that really means. Since it was mostly Christians who formed this country and formed the Constitution which this country was supposed to be based on. Understand that what we see today are not Christians in gov for the most part.

Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.

John Adams

I say that this is what we see today neither moral or religious people governing this country for the good of the people. The agenda of those who govern today is apparent and proceeds along a straight course that is guided to reach its predetermined end. But make no mistake it is not Christian. Like the loopholes in business contract we have had those hole filled with self serving interests that have for the most part nothing to do with the good of this nation.


 Christian rule says government by and for the people not people by and for the government. Because humans are pretty self serving and without checks and balances either by morals established by a loving God or a conscience established by a loving God then we see the corruption we see today. Morals in society change and sometimes not for good.

[Chrisj CMA]

Who cares if he's Christian or not?  Seriously, what difference does/would it make?  Presidents are not required to be Christians, much as that may not sit well with some here.

I don't much care that hes not a Christian, but in these days to be a Muslim and definetly stand on THAT side of the fence when the chips are down (paraphrased quote) then THAT I have a problem with

[G-Man]

Who cares if he's Christian or not?  Seriously, what difference does/would it make?  Presidents are not required to be Christians, much as that may not sit well with some here.

How about credibility from our leader and his administration.

The number of lies over the last 7 years is absolutely astounding.  I don't care what others have lied about previously, we already beat that horse.  This guy and his people just keep piling on the lies and deceptions from IRS e-mails to Clinton's e-mails, from lies about premiums going down to lies about keeping your Dr. (Lie Of The Decade, BTW).  Then lies about a deserter (serving with distinction) to an ambassador's death due to a youtube video.  Lies about being the most transparent to not turning over documents in subpeonas from congress.  Then fabricating lies about wars on women, children, grandma, gays, blacks, hispanics, and creating the newest wedge yet calling it "White Privilege" effectively trying to turn EVERYBODY against white people.  And before anyone says this was not Obama's and his people's fault, where is their outrage, or denials, or denouncements of all of these so-called wars??

Which will be the lie, I mean straw, that will finally break your back?  

Credibility is all in the mind of an Obama supporter.  

[Gryphon Rider]

If for no other reason, no Christian would do to Netanyahu and Israel what this pres has done. You cannot love God and hate Israel, you cannot respect the Bible and what it teaches and turn on Israel. You cannot want whats best for the US and curse Israel.


Gen 12:2  And I will make you a great nation, And I will bless you, And make your name great; And so you shall be a blessing;
Gen 12:3  And I will bless those who bless you, And the one who curses you I will curse. And in you all the families of the earth will be blessed."

God's blessing of Israel in Biblical times was always dependent on their fidelity to God.  When they were unfaithful, God Himself was against them, in the OT and NT.  Christians are NOT commanded to support Israel regardless of whether they act honourably or wickedly.

[old2soon]

G-Man nailed it.  RIDE SAFE.

[FLAVALK]

Who cares if he's Christian or not?  Seriously, what difference does/would it make?  Presidents are not required to be Christians, much as that may not sit well with some here.

For me, from a "Is he Christian or not" perspective it makes no difference at all. Honestly, I'd prefer we get a non-religious president (Or at least one that can separate what THEY believe from what WE should believe), but, and this is where Obama fails, NOT one that won't stand up and publicly profess their lack of belief.

THAT is the difference. He has publicly claimed to be a Christian, which means if he isn't, he's demonstrably a liar.

And if he is a Christian?

He's NOT a Christian, his actions prove the point.

[Robert]

As Christians we are also Abrahams children grafted in or adopted so how should we feel about our brothers who have gone astray

Rom_11:17  But some of these branches from Abraham's tree—some of the people of Israel—have been broken off. And you Gentiles, who were branches from a wild olive tree, have been grafted in. So now you also receive the blessing God has promised Abraham and his children, sharing in the rich nourishment from the root of God's special olive tree.
Rom_11:18  But you must not brag about being grafted in to replace the branches that were broken off. You are just a branch, not the root.
Rom_11:23  And if the people of Israel turn from their unbelief, they will be grafted in again, for God has the power to graft them back into the tree.

Christians owe a debt of eternal gratitude to the Jewish people for their contributions that gave birth to the Christian faith. Jesus Christ, a prominent Rabbi from Nazareth said, "Salvation is of the Jews!" (St. John 4:22) consider what the Jewish people have given to Christianity:

Deu 32:21  They have roused My jealousy by worshiping things that are not God; they have provoked My anger with their useless idols. Now I will rouse their jealousy through people who are not even a people; I will provoke their anger through the foolish Gentiles.

Rom 10:19  But I ask, did the people of Israel really understand? Yes, they did, for even in the time of Moses, God said, "I will rouse your jealousy through people who are not even a nation. I will provoke your anger through the foolish Gentiles."
Rom 10:20  And later Isaiah spoke boldly for God, saying, "I was found by people who were not looking for Me. I showed Myself to those who were not asking for Me."


God will never abandon His people, if He can abandon the Jews then what is to say He could not abandon us? He has said He is faithful to the faithless. God has called us before we were saved hence He knew us before we knew Him and if salvation counted on us we would never have been saved. So with God all things are possible.

[czuch]

That horse aint well. No need to beat him any more.
Its OK to lie, as a muzzy if it furthers the end result.
 It does, he is.
The coup is already in place.
Farmer Grant's pork based bullet dip and bomb spread is the cure.

[Willow]

You know we do have a tendency to take things way off track.

The purpose of pointing out that he's not a Christian was that that was the roundabout way of expressing by some that he would stand on our side against the hostile Muslim world.  He couldn't possibly be a muslim sympathizer and be a practicing Christian at the same time.

Truthfully, there are a lot, a great lot, of folks that claim to be Christian and have either no or flawed signs of a relationship with Jesus Christ.  It's not my place to decide who is and who isn't.  There are a lot of us that have been at some pretty rough, sometimes unrecognizable, places along the way.  I can say that the words and actions of Mr. Obama indicate that he is very much a muslim sympathizer at least.

Along the lines of his words of criticism for Christians I am with a lot of folks in being troubled by the context and consistency of those critical remarks.  That said, if it were simply a stand alone statement I would be in complete agreement when he says, "I am troubled in hearing a lot of not so loving statements by (people who claim to be) Christians."  I too am troubled at that observation.   

[Patrick]

I think the relationship between obama and Israel has been brought up.
I don't believe that just because Netanyahu and obama seem to hate each other, or what religion either person is should have anything to do with the relationship between our countries. There is a law signed by President Truman that says something to the effect that we will help and defend that country.  But true to obama, what does he care about any of these pesky little laws.

OH, I wrote this all by myself. No one sent this to me. I feel safe in saying that I think it will pass most fact checks. 

[f6john]

   We have been warned, that when judgement comes, many will cry Lord, Lord (as if they knew him,for they are "Christians") and the Lord will say, depart from me for I know you not. The term Christian is used far too loosely. One of the many sayings used in my circle of  Christian friends is, "If you were arrested and charged with being a Christian, would there be enough evidence to convict you???

  

[The emperor has no clothes]

   We have been warned, that when judgement comes, many will cry Lord, Lord (as if they new him,for they are "Christians") and the Lord will say, depart from me for I know you not. The term Christian is used far too loosely. One of the many sayings used in my circle of  Christian friends is, "If you were arrested and charged with being a Christian, would there be enough evidence to convict you???

   

I think you are correct. I consider myself a Christian, but I haven't been to church in decades. (Except for plays my grandson was in at Christmas). I don't pray every day, sometimes it could be weeks. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be considered a Christian by many.

[Oss]

Dont care if he is a Christian, I do care that he gave his solemn oath to
uphold the Constitution and that word of Obama is not worth a damn cent

History will shame this generation of inhabitants of the USA for having
been suckered into voting for the Manchurian Candidate.  Its what I called him
when he was running and I am sticking with it today as well

Here is one definition

 Manchurian candidate
a candidate running for office who publicly supports one group to win election, but uses his executive or legislative powers to assist an opposing group; it should not be confused with a sleeper agent who has been brainwashed into working for a political party
Senator Iselin is the original Manchurian candidate: he espouses McCarthyism but he is in fact a Communist.

The attacks, mainly anonymous e-mails, have woven together various threads — his middle name “Hussein;” schooling in Muslim Indonesia; his Chicago pastor’s embrace of the anti-Semitic leader of the Nation of Islam, Louis Farrakhan; and his calls for dialogue with Iran — to portray Obama as the Muslim Manchurian candidate. ~Roger Cohen (NYT 02/11/2008)

Cant wait for inauguration day 2017   Hope we are all here to see the road to recovery

Oss

Dont confuse the promise of the covenant to the promises dependent on keeping the Jubilee for the land
and following his laws.

[Serk]

Cant wait for inauguration day 2017  

There's only days to go! Let's hope it's worth the wait...

[Chrisj CMA]

Cant wait for inauguration day 2017  

There's only days to go! Let's hope it's worth the wait...

YES, will be the end of an ERROR

[Big Al of Tennessee]

2017 Inauguration Day.

I have a Dream Speech,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,when all God's Children will sit down and sing that

ole Negro Spiritual.

Free of Him at last,,Free of him at last.

God Bless, Free of him at last.