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Author Topic: Obama exempt Interpol from same legal constraints as American law-enforcement?  (Read 777 times)
Robert
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« on: May 09, 2015, 06:30:38 PM »

  Thursday, December 17, 2009, The White House released an Executive Order "Amending Executive Order 12425." It grants INTERPOL (International Criminal Police Organization) a new level of full diplomatic immunity afforded to foreign embassies and select other "International Organizations" as set forth in the United States International Organizations Immunities Act of 1945.


  Interpol’s property and assets are no longer subject to search and confiscation, and its archives are now considered inviolable. This international police force (whose U.S. headquarters is in the Justice Department in Washington) will be unrestrained by the U.S. Constitution and American law while it operates in the United States and affects both Americans and American interests outside the United States.

    Interpol works closely with international tribunals (such as the International Criminal Court — which the United States has refused to join because of its sovereignty surrendering provisions, though top Obama officials want us in it). It also works closely with foreign courts and law-enforcement authorities (such as those in Europe that are investigating former Bush administration officials for purported war crimes — i.e., for actions taken in America’s defense).

    Why would we elevate an international police force above American law? Why would we immunize an international police force from the limitations that constrain the FBI and other American law-enforcement agencies? Why is it suddenly necessary to have, within the Justice Department, a repository for stashing government files which, therefore, will be beyond the ability of Congress, American law-enforcement, the media, and the American people to scrutinize?

I seem to recall the Left getting hysterical over the Patriot Act extensions that Obama finally backed.  This gives Interpol a much wider operational latitude than anything contemplated in the Patriot Act, and with no accountability at all.


An example of the potential of this action, and possibly those to come, can be seen in Secretary of State   Hillary Clinton's recent statement     that the United States is willing to work closely with the United Nations in developing a treaty or convention to control the spread of firearms around the world. While that may seem like a good idea, imagine officials at Smith and Wesson being charged with weapons trafficking if their products turn up in a crime in a foreign country and INTERPOL "pays them a visit."

http://threatswatch.org/analysis/2009/12/print/wither_sovereignty/

I had not heard this where was the news?? I thought all would want to know. We wonder who will be the ones who will confiscate guns or take people with out any law, now we know who it will be.
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« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2015, 07:29:40 PM »

maybe its time to get the UN out of NYC

Put the UN in Guantanamo
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« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2015, 04:58:16 AM »

anybody have any info on how this executive order has played out in the real world over the past six years?
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« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2015, 05:09:16 AM »

anybody have any info on how this executive order has played out in the real world over the past six years?

Since the Obama Admin is 100% transparent, as they say, they have released NOTHING!

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« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2015, 07:58:21 AM »

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« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2015, 08:54:03 AM »

This is the International Organization Immunities Act:
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/decad034.asp

This is the amendment by Ronald Reagan:
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=41483

And the one by the current pres
https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/executive-order-amending-executive-order-12425

Can anyone put this in plain English?
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« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2015, 09:08:15 AM »

anybody have any info on how this executive order has played out in the real world over the past six years?

Section 2c of the United States International Organizations Immunities Act is the crucial piece.

    Property and assets of international organizations, wherever located and by whomsoever held, shall be immune from search, unless such immunity be expressly waived, and from confiscation. The archives of international organizations shall be inviolable. (Emphasis added.)

INTERPOL is within the Justice Department and Inviolable archives means INTERPOL records are beyond US citizens' Freedom of Information Act requests and from American legal or investigative discovery unless such immunity be expressly waived.

Property and assets being immune from search and confiscation means precisely that. Wherever they may be in the United States. This could conceivably include human assets - Americans arrested on our soil by INTERPOL officers.

So I would not expect any information to be available to us since they have no responsibility to report to any US based organization and we do not have legal stand to do anything to find information.

The importance of this last crucial point cannot be understated, because this immunity and protection - and elevation above the US Constitution - afforded INTERPOL is likely a precursor to the White House subjecting the United States under the jurisdiction of the International Criminal Court (ICC). INTERPOL provides a significant enforcement function for the ICC, just as our FBI provides a significant function for our Department of Justice.

President Barack Obama will once again make America a signatory to the International Criminal Court. It will be a move that surrenders American sovereignty to an international body whose INTERPOL enforcement arm has already been elevated above the Constitution and American domestic law enforcement.
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« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2015, 11:33:54 AM »

I am not trying to downplay the ultimate intentions involved in this (as nothing harmful to the US, sovereignty, and it's citizens is beyond our Zero or DOJ), but this sounds quite a bit like diplomatic immunity, where documented diplomats have immunity from most US laws (unless they consent).  However, individual diplomatic personnel can be and are expelled from the country when they become a problem, and this would be true of INTERPOL personnel too.  They can simply be declared Persona Non Grata, and expelled from the country (though not prosecuted). 

Actual US federal law enforcement can certainly benefit from liaising and sharing information with INTERPOL people and databases about foreign criminals on our soil (especially mafia/organized crime/cartel types perhaps starting up new business here). 

If INTERPOL knocks on my door, I will not be going anywhere with them. 
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