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I have installed Ubunto on an old lap top and am beginning to like it, so i am going to buy a new computer and here is my question,
Is Linux apple based or is apple Linux based? I am thinking about an apple computer or getting a windows computer and installing ubunto onto it,,
will WINE run on apples? or do you have to run windows based programs on an emulator? or run them in their own little section?
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« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2015, 03:18:45 PM » |
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linux and mac are both "unix", but share no common code.
If you put linux on a laptop, you'll be able run a kvm
virtual windows machine inside of it if you want.
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In addition to what Mike said (Which is all true) Apple is like Harley... Nice and shiny and pretty, what all the "Cool Kids" use and WAAAAAAAY over priced... Linux is more like the old school crusty biker who REALLY builds his own bikes from pieces... (Although Ubuntu is a lot less like that) OSX (Apple) is a BSD Unix deep under the hood, but that part is hidden really well from most users unless you actively try to get to it. You can buy a generic PC and put Ubuntu on it. You can't (Without some non-trivial tweaking) but a generic PC and put OSX on it. Hope I didn't confuse you more than you were before you asked the question.  |
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In addition to what Mike said (Which is all true) Apple is like Harley... Nice and shiny and pretty, what all the "Cool Kids" use and WAAAAAAAY over priced... Linux is more like the old school crusty biker who REALLY builds his own bikes from pieces... (Although Ubuntu is a lot less like that) OSX (Apple) is a BSD Unix deep under the hood, but that part is hidden really well from most users unless you actively try to get to it. You can buy a generic PC and put Ubuntu on it. You can't (Without some non-trivial tweaking) but a generic PC and put OSX on it. Hope I didn't confuse you more than you were before you asked the question. I have no idea of anything you just said but I'm glad we have you on here to make me realize what I dinosaur I am  |
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In addition to what Mike said (Which is all true) Apple is like Harley... Nice and shiny and pretty, what all the "Cool Kids" use and WAAAAAAAY over priced... Linux is more like the old school crusty biker who REALLY builds his own bikes from pieces... (Although Ubuntu is a lot less like that) OSX (Apple) is a BSD Unix deep under the hood, but that part is hidden really well from most users unless you actively try to get to it. You can buy a generic PC and put Ubuntu on it. You can't (Without some non-trivial tweaking) but a generic PC and put OSX on it. Hope I didn't confuse you more than you were before you asked the question. here is my reasoning, when i buy a new laptop, its mostly for work, its going to come with windows 8.1 on it, and I just got used to XP,, I have win 7 at home but had to put another drive in it because most of my studio programs wont run on win7 or later,, i just pulled the old drive and set it aside to keep the win7,,just in case i needed it in the future,, i notice that ubunto runs a lot quicker than XP and from what i have seen online there are tons of programs out there..I also have Linux Mint downloaded but trying to make it do what i want is having me learn a new language which i really dont want to.. like the harley, i would rather buy a new one than try to convert the old one to fuel injection,,, I know I wont buy an apple probably, because of the price,,sooo,, is OSX a better OS than Linux? and can OSX be installed with a few tweaks in the BIOS settings or should I just forget about OSX and go with Linux? do I need to run a anti virus with Linux? yea i know i can find out all this info on line but i know i can trust your ideas,, |
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« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2015, 06:53:33 AM » |
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is OSX a better OS than Linux?
Which oil is better?
I hate OSX and Linux is so awesome it makes my socks roll up and down.
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is OSX a better OS than Linux?
Which oil is better?
I hate OSX and Linux is so awesome it makes my socks roll up and down.
-Mike "everyone agrees, right?"
Once again Mike is right. It's all personal preference. I too hate OSX (And I'll admit I have issues with the morals of Apple the company for which I refuse to give them money, but that's a different issue, just admitting my bias up front.) If you're not wanting to tinker I would highly recommend NOT trying to set up a Hackintosh (Putting OSX onto non-Apple equipment.) I love Linux, but I only currently run it as a server on the back end, I don't use it as a desktop and haven't in many many years because work requires Windows so that's where I am. If what you want to get done with a computer can be done with Linux then go for it I say. If you find there's something you just have to have from Windows you can always set up a virtual computer program (Paid or a free one, I use VMWare Workstation but I get it for free) and set up a Windows virtual machine inside of a sandbox on your Linux computer to do the things you have to do there. (Or use WINE, which is a different way to accomplish similar goals, but if your program is picky about the version of Windows, good chance it won't play nice with WINE either.) As far as Antivirus, I'm sure someone's hocking one somewhere for Linux, but at least so far I wouldn't bother. If/when Linux on the desktop starts getting a bigger market share it will become a bigger target for the malware folks but for now it's a small percentage, AND the people who run it tend ot be the more technically minded ones to begin with. |
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On a Mac, you can dual boot using Boot Camp which comes with the mac. That means installing a volume with a windows OS. The weakness here is that the systems don't communicate. You have to boot into one or the other. You have to create a separate volume for the Windows partition, so you'd need to do this before you set up the Mac side. The power is that you are running Windows native on your processor. Also, the Wind OS will have direct access to all buses and ports. There are virtual partitions where you can install a windows OS. Parallels is a paid app that will run windows. I know some really like it. VirtualBox is another that is from Oracle. It used to be free, I don't know if it still is. One of the features it offered was the ability to run win apps in a mode (Don't remember what it was called) where it appeared to be running on the Mac desktop. I believe you could copy and paste between win and mac apps also. Both Parallels and VirtualBox allow install of multiple Win OSes. You can have XP, 7, and 8, all at the same time if you want. With any of these options, you must still buy (acquire) a copy of Windows. With both Parallels and VirtualBox, you are communication with your computer's hardware through the virtual interface. I've had problems getting some peripherals to run correctly. (or at all.) I haven't tried installing Linux on either of these virtual platforms, l but don't see why they wouldn't run. |
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In addition to what Mike said (Which is all true) Apple is like Harley... Nice and shiny and pretty, what all the "Cool Kids" use and WAAAAAAAY over priced... Linux is more like the old school crusty biker who REALLY builds his own bikes from pieces... (Although Ubuntu is a lot less like that) OSX (Apple) is a BSD Unix deep under the hood, but that part is hidden really well from most users unless you actively try to get to it. You can buy a generic PC and put Ubuntu on it. You can't (Without some non-trivial tweaking) but a generic PC and put OSX on it. Hope I didn't confuse you more than you were before you asked the question. serk...LOVE the analogy you made here!  |
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well i bought a laptop, and another hard drive, took out the drive that came in it and installed the new one,, its a hybrid, digital and disk combined and supposed to be very quick.. i installed ubunto and got it up and running, only problem i am having is getting an app to work with the scanner part of my printer, the printer part is fine but the scanner doesnt,,i have tride iscan and others..also looks like my studio programs wont run either and there is no linux programs that will take their place..still working on it though, i will update later,, i also found out you can make windows 7,8, and 8.1 look and work like XP,,thats what i am doing on this desktop,,
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« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2015, 04:46:43 AM » |
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well i bought a laptop, and another hard drive, took out the drive that came in it and installed the new one,, its a hybrid, digital and disk combined and supposed to be very quick.. i installed ubunto and got it up and running, only problem i am having is getting an app to work with the scanner part of my printer, the printer part is fine but the scanner doesnt,,i have tride iscan and others..also looks like my studio programs wont run either and there is no linux programs that will take their place..still working on it though, i will update later,, i also found out you can make windows 7,8, and 8.1 look and work like XP,,thats what i am doing on this desktop,,
There's a package called sane that probably will make your scanner work. I use sane through another package called gimp (gimp is kind of like linux photoshop) to acquire images from the scanner, but there's a million ways to use it. If you google around for it, you'll find plenty of how-tos, skip any of the ones that seem too pointy-headed to deal with. Here's one that talks about sane from a ubuntu perspective... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/saneWhat are "studio programs"? Microsoft office stuff? Libreoffice is the linux version of that... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibreOffice-Mike |
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well i bought a laptop, and another hard drive, took out the drive that came in it and installed the new one,, its a hybrid, digital and disk combined and supposed to be very quick.. i installed ubunto and got it up and running, only problem i am having is getting an app to work with the scanner part of my printer, the printer part is fine but the scanner doesnt,,i have tride iscan and others..also looks like my studio programs wont run either and there is no linux programs that will take their place..still working on it though, i will update later,, i also found out you can make windows 7,8, and 8.1 look and work like XP,,thats what i am doing on this desktop,,
There's a package called sane that probably will make your scanner work. I use sane through another package called gimp (gimp is kind of like linux photoshop) to acquire images from the scanner, but there's a million ways to use it. If you google around for it, you'll find plenty of how-tos, skip any of the ones that seem too pointy-headed to deal with. Here's one that talks about sane from a ubuntu perspective... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/saneWhat are "studio programs"? Microsoft office stuff? Libreoffice is the linux version of that... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibreOffice-Mike my studio programs are, adobe audition, sony soundforge, mixcraft, audicity, gear box, pod farm, line 6 instrument settings, etc... |
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adobe audition, sony soundforge, mixcraft, audicity, gear box, pod farm, line 6 instrument settings, etc...Oh... music stuff... Try audacity (maybe you meant that when you said audicity? If you like audacity, you might still need to add "lame" to it in order to make mp3's, assuming you want to make them... https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/precise/audacity/http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/sound/lame-Mike
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adobe audition, sony soundforge, mixcraft, audicity, gear box, pod farm, line 6 instrument settings, etc...Oh... music stuff... Try audacity (maybe you meant that when you said audicity? If you like audacity, you might still need to add "lame" to it in order to make mp3's, assuming you want to make them... https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/precise/audacity/http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/sound/lame-Mike thanks for the replies, i have sound and audacity works but its sorta cheezy when i have a 1200 dollar program i cant use, unless of course i run it in its own windows setting,, i am not in a bind as i have 5 computers running in the studio i am jjust trying to understand this linux stuff,, i am still working on the scanner, i have installed sane and a few scanning programs but so far the scanner isnt supported,, |
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Just a few thoughts for what they’re worth.
First, some background so you’ll know where I’m coming from. I run the pre-press production department at a newspaper. I’m also the Technical Services Administrator. I’m responsible for the network, workstations, and printers. I have to make all of our separate and varied systems work together. I have to take output from the editorial front end and combine it with the classified and advertising systems to produce input for the image setters for the press.
I had a very smart young fellow working for me for a while. (Serk sort of reminds me of him.) The young man introduced me to the incredible world of Open Source. I played with several variants of Linux, eventually seteling on Ubuntu. I had a dual boot laptop running Ubuntu. We had several Linux servers running mail, ftp, websites, and a drop box. As long as this young fellow was here to keep things working, all was well. We had impressive capabilities, with almost no expense.
The problem with Open Source is that there is no 1-800-help-me-Bill-Gates. If you are as smart as the young man I had working for me, that’s not a problem. If, one the other hand, you’re a mere mortal production manager who has to get tomorrows edition out it becomes quite problematic. More on this later.
I recently went though an Adobe audit. I could do a very long post on that. (I’m willing too if anybody is interested.) I run a very legit shop. I’ve taken a lot of flack from other department heads because I was unwilling to install duplicate copies of applications. Even so, Adobe tried to extort “true up” money from us. They made several bad faith claims based on not recognizing competitive upgrades, software sold OEM with scanners, and refusing to honor the license agreement that came with older packages. I begged corporate to fight it, because I knew I could justify every installation. At the end of the day, the bean counters decided that the extortion money was less costly than the legal fees. I mention this so that you can fully understand and believe that there are few people on this earth who despise Adobe more than I do.
The only Adobe product on my personal computer is Acrobat reader. I use an inexpensive app called Pixelmator that replaces PhotoShop, and does everything I need. I refuse to send Adobe another dime, but I still won’t pirate software.
My hatred of Adobe was such that I decided to figure out a way for the company to live without them. Pixelmator or Gimp for PhotoShop, Scribus for InDesign, and other open source apps for illustrator. For a stand alone operation, it would have worked. Both Gimp and Scribus are fantastic programs that can produce output on par with PhotoShop and InDesign.
In a stand-alone environment, it would have worked.
Neither Gimp nor Scribus source files are in any way compatible with their Adobe counterparts. There is no editing of files sent in by customers without an Adobe license. That means that customers can’t edit, or even view, your source files. Additionally, it’s a roll of the dice as the wether or not the Xytron or Hyphen RIPs can correctly interpret the “Ghost script” files these programs produce. In a week’s time, one or more ads that you’ve been paid several thousand dollars to print will hiccup at the printer.
Ghost Script? “What the hell is Ghost Script?” you ask.
PostScript is what produces the digital description of the output from an imaging application that is sent to a Raster Image Processor. (RIP) The raster image is what the printer uses to actually mark the media. (Expose film with a laser, or charge paper to pick up toner.) Turns out PostScript is licensed to Adobe. That means that Gimp and Scribus can’t incorporate PostScript within the application. The answer? Ghost Script, the Open Source variant.
Except!
Most of the producers of printers and image setters don’t waste a lot of time worrying about whether or not they can process the .00001% of customers who need GhostScript.
You can hate Adobe and Apple all you want, but If your job depends on the actual output of the stuff you’ve been paid to produce in a commercial environment, you’re probably going to have to learn to live with the devil. If you’re running a Linux variant, you can kiss Adobe goodbye. If you’re in a business environment where profit is more important than principle, that is not a good thing.
And beware of the Serk’s of the world. These are not evil creatures plotting humanities destruction. They are rather Eldridge beings who falsely assume that mere mortals can exist at their level. “It’s easy,” they say. And for them it is. Not so for 98% of the human race. If you are an actual gear head, who probably has an agreement with you spouse about how much time you spend on the computer, knock yourself out. You’ll love the GNU universe.
If, on the other hand, you are are a mere mortal like me you will most likely have to submit to production over principal.
In a graphic environment, the people you hire will know PhotoShop and InDesign running on a Mac OS. They will not easily transition to Gimp and Scribus on Linux. Neither will your clients. And I can tell you from personal experience that AGFA, Hyphen, and Xytron, won’t ether.
If you can truly exist without outside support, then you have my true admiration. I just suggest that you be honest about your capabilities. If, like me, you look into the eyes of your wife and children and realize that the choice you have is between your duty to them, and your principals?
I’ve always aspired to be a nerd. For reasons I don’t understand, some gifted individuals have taken me under their wing. (Hugh Lewis, Tim Cassewll, Greg Saulsubury) But I don’t delude myself that I operate at their level. If I want to keep a roof over my wife’s head, the lights on, and food on the table, then I’ll run Adobe products on Apple platforms. ( God forgive me.)
I admire those who can give Adobe and Apple the finger and go their own way. I just suggest that any individual carefully examine themselves, and their capabilities, to decide if they can truly operate in the Open Source world, and are willing to pay the price.
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very nice write up Big Guy,, I haVE been wanting to go to a linux os for many years, i just never could learn a new language,, then along comes ubunto,, so far i am liking what it does and it does it very fast,,i am just hoping i can find an audio mixing program that will work and do it at the quality i am used to,,Apple has some good audio stuff out there but i dont think it works with linux.. i will keep plugging along,,
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Thanks guys for all the information I think I am going to switch to ubunto. I don't like Apple and Microsoft is ok but with the subscription based services I am going to go to something else. It really gets under my skin when you buy a computer or phone and are forced to jump through predetermined hoops just to use what you already paid for so mfg's can put limitations on what you can run and do on their systems or OS's. Big Guy I'll pray for you  I thought I had trouble with systems and people, you just made mine seem small, thanks. |
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Thanks guys for all the information I think I am going to switch to ubunto. I don't like Apple and Microsoft is ok but with the subscription based services I am going to go to something else. It really gets under my skin when you buy a computer or phone and are forced to jump through predetermined hoops just to use what you already paid for so mfg's can put limitations on what you can run and do on their systems or OS's. Big Guy I'll pray for you I thought I had trouble with systems and people, you just made mine seem small, thanks. be prepared for a learning curve,,it took me 2 days to figure out how to open a terminal window and after i did the language is different,,not hard just different,, |
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Just a few thoughts for what they’re worth.
First, some background so you’ll know where I’m coming from. I run the pre-press production department at a newspaper. I’m also the Technical Services Administrator. I’m responsible for the network, workstations, and printers. I have to make all of our separate and varied systems work together. I have to take output from the editorial front end and combine it with the classified and advertising systems to produce input for the image setters for the press.
I had a very smart young fellow working for me for a while. (Serk sort of reminds me of him.) The young man introduced me to the incredible world of Open Source. I played with several variants of Linux, eventually seteling on Ubuntu. I had a dual boot laptop running Ubuntu. We had several Linux servers running mail, ftp, websites, and a drop box. As long as this young fellow was here to keep things working, all was well. We had impressive capabilities, with almost no expense.
The problem with Open Source is that there is no 1-800-help-me-Bill-Gates. If you are as smart as the young man I had working for me, that’s not a problem. If, one the other hand, you’re a mere mortal production manager who has to get tomorrows edition out it becomes quite problematic. More on this later.
I recently went though an Adobe audit. I could do a very long post on that. (I’m willing too if anybody is interested.) I run a very legit shop. I’ve taken a lot of flack from other department heads because I was unwilling to install duplicate copies of applications. Even so, Adobe tried to extort “true up” money from us. They made several bad faith claims based on not recognizing competitive upgrades, software sold OEM with scanners, and refusing to honor the license agreement that came with older packages. I begged corporate to fight it, because I knew I could justify every installation. At the end of the day, the bean counters decided that the extortion money was less costly than the legal fees. I mention this so that you can fully understand and believe that there are few people on this earth who despise Adobe more than I do.
The only Adobe product on my personal computer is Acrobat reader. I use an inexpensive app called Pixelmator that replaces PhotoShop, and does everything I need. I refuse to send Adobe another dime, but I still won’t pirate software.
My hatred of Adobe was such that I decided to figure out a way for the company to live without them. Pixelmator or Gimp for PhotoShop, Scribus for InDesign, and other open source apps for illustrator. For a stand alone operation, it would have worked. Both Gimp and Scribus are fantastic programs that can produce output on par with PhotoShop and InDesign.
In a stand-alone environment, it would have worked.
Neither Gimp nor Scribus source files are in any way compatible with their Adobe counterparts. There is no editing of files sent in by customers without an Adobe license. That means that customers can’t edit, or even view, your source files. Additionally, it’s a roll of the dice as the wether or not the Xytron or Hyphen RIPs can correctly interpret the “Ghost script” files these programs produce. In a week’s time, one or more ads that you’ve been paid several thousand dollars to print will hiccup at the printer.
Ghost Script? “What the hell is Ghost Script?” you ask.
PostScript is what produces the digital description of the output from an imaging application that is sent to a Raster Image Processor. (RIP) The raster image is what the printer uses to actually mark the media. (Expose film with a laser, or charge paper to pick up toner.) Turns out PostScript is licensed to Adobe. That means that Gimp and Scribus can’t incorporate PostScript within the application. The answer? Ghost Script, the Open Source variant.
Except!
Most of the producers of printers and image setters don’t waste a lot of time worrying about whether or not they can process the .00001% of customers who need GhostScript.
You can hate Adobe and Apple all you want, but If your job depends on the actual output of the stuff you’ve been paid to produce in a commercial environment, you’re probably going to have to learn to live with the devil. If you’re running a Linux variant, you can kiss Adobe goodbye. If you’re in a business environment where profit is more important than principle, that is not a good thing.
And beware of the Serk’s of the world. These are not evil creatures plotting humanities destruction. They are rather Eldridge beings who falsely assume that mere mortals can exist at their level. “It’s easy,” they say. And for them it is. Not so for 98% of the human race. If you are an actual gear head, who probably has an agreement with you spouse about how much time you spend on the computer, knock yourself out. You’ll love the GNU universe.
If, on the other hand, you are are a mere mortal like me you will most likely have to submit to production over principal.
In a graphic environment, the people you hire will know PhotoShop and InDesign running on a Mac OS. They will not easily transition to Gimp and Scribus on Linux. Neither will your clients. And I can tell you from personal experience that AGFA, Hyphen, and Xytron, won’t ether.
If you can truly exist without outside support, then you have my true admiration. I just suggest that you be honest about your capabilities. If, like me, you look into the eyes of your wife and children and realize that the choice you have is between your duty to them, and your principals?
I’ve always aspired to be a nerd. For reasons I don’t understand, some gifted individuals have taken me under their wing. (Hugh Lewis, Tim Cassewll, Greg Saulsubury) But I don’t delude myself that I operate at their level. If I want to keep a roof over my wife’s head, the lights on, and food on the table, then I’ll run Adobe products on Apple platforms. ( God forgive me.)
I admire those who can give Adobe and Apple the finger and go their own way. I just suggest that any individual carefully examine themselves, and their capabilities, to decide if they can truly operate in the Open Source world, and are willing to pay the price.
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Thanks guys for all the information I think I am going to switch to ubunto. I don't like Apple and Microsoft is ok but with the subscription based services I am going to go to something else. It really gets under my skin when you buy a computer or phone and are forced to jump through predetermined hoops just to use what you already paid for so mfg's can put limitations on what you can run and do on their systems or OS's. Big Guy I'll pray for you I thought I had trouble with systems and people, you just made mine seem small, thanks. be prepared for a learning curve,,it took me 2 days to figure out how to open a terminal window and after i did the language is different,,not hard just different,, Thanks, its the frustration that is the hardest, once you start to break through then it gets interesting. |
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“Some people see things that are and ask, Why? Some people dream of things that never were and ask, Why not? Some people have to go to work and don’t have time for all that.”
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« Reply #21 on: May 31, 2015, 02:09:41 PM » |
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I have used ubuntu for a few years now. I'm no guru, but do everything I want so far. It might just be me, but I like not having to pay through the nose every time you turn around for a product that gets attacked as soon as it is loaded, then pay more for virus protection, over and over and over and over.......... I like faster, no cost, easy to use, no crashing, but like I said, it may just be me. For the gurus out there, these things are probably nonsense.  |
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