csj
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Peterborough Ontario Canada
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« on: June 12, 2015, 05:01:32 PM » |
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Was out to a local Bike Night, met up with the mechanic that does the wrenching on my Valk
that I can't do myself.
He told me that his shop can no longer install Car Tires on Bikes.
Our Government Ministry of Transportation of Ontario, visited his shop
and made it clear that it is unlawful for them to install Car Tires on Bikes, and that this Ministry
will now be pulling over anybody found riding on a Car Tire. Anybody found with said equipment
will be fined. Holy #@%&.
We took a long look through the Highway Traffic Act for this province and did not find
exact wording, or a law stating that this is so.
However we did find one sentence roughly outlining that equipment not installed by the
Manufacturer can/could be deemed to be illegal, and if so, could draw a $1000 fine.
Puts a big dent in my future riding plans, was going to be Darkside for the rest of my days.
Now.... Maybe not.
If you've read this far, could you respond if your local government has started to, or has
totally closed your Darkside.
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A guy called me a Ba$tard, I said in my case it's an accident
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CajunRider
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« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2015, 05:10:01 PM » |
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Nothing like that in LA yet... I wonder if Boss Hoss bikes will have to carry proof that the factory tire is a CT? Also, if my bike came with Bridgestones, but I put Avons... is that illegal? What about after-market seats? floor boards? handle bars? Radio? Windshield? Exactly where is the line drawn?  Land of the free, no more...  |
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Gryphon Rider
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« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2015, 05:24:25 PM » |
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You just need to get set up to install them yourself. Or move to Alberta.  |
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Novavalker
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« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2015, 05:35:28 PM » |
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I doubt your mechanics story. Here in Nova Scotia the only regulation is on tread depth. We have mandatory safety inspections every two years Car tires are not an issue.
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csj
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I used to be a wolfboy, but I'm alright NOOOOOWWWW
Peterborough Ontario Canada
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« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2015, 06:16:12 PM » |
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You just need to get set up to install them yourself. Or move to Alberta. Well yeah, I will get set up to do my own installs, but what about the roving MTO Nazi that has the authority to fine me on the spot, or maybe even impound a valk. Move to Alberta? Ain't you havin a oil problem, and you did just elect a leftist gov.? Bad enough here. I doubt your mechanics story. Here in Nova Scotia the only regulation is on tread depth. We have mandatory safety inspections every two years No safety inspects here yet, and hope not. This mechanic is a straight shooter, no doubt that an MTO guy did visit, and gave the shop notice. How much power does the MTO have, is my large question. I'm not interested in a Grand fine. |
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A guy called me a Ba$tard, I said in my case it's an accident
of birth, in your case you're a self made man.
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fudgie
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« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2015, 06:36:22 PM » |
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Tires are installed by the manufacture.  |
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Jess from VA
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« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2015, 06:39:11 PM » |
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By the time our Governments stop protecting us from ourselves (and it will never stop), there will be no personal liberty or free will left, and life will not be worth living.
Death to tyrants.
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« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2015, 07:03:33 PM » |
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By the time our Governments stop protecting us from ourselves (and it will never stop), there will be no personal liberty or free will left, and life will not be worth living.
Death to tyrants.
Please note OP is in Canada. |
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Serk
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« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2015, 07:27:10 PM » |
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By the time our Governments stop protecting us from ourselves (and it will never stop), there will be no personal liberty or free will left, and life will not be worth living.
Death to tyrants.
Please note OP is in Canada. Noted, but nanny states seem to be on the rise everywhere, and even us here in the once proudly free nation that we were are quickly following the worst of them. If this is true and not just a one off nut job, I wonder what they'll do about trikes? Don't they usually use "car" tires? |
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« Reply #9 on: June 12, 2015, 07:48:36 PM » |
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Take note also that your insurance can be denied in the event of an accident due to having unapproved tires on the vehicle.
Just sayin'
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Jess from VA
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« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2015, 08:04:19 PM » |
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By the time our Governments stop protecting us from ourselves (and it will never stop), there will be no personal liberty or free will left, and life will not be worth living.
Death to tyrants.
Please note OP is in Canada. I was aware of that. Please note governments was plural. Take note also that your insurance can be denied in the event of an accident due to having unapproved tires on the vehicle. Just sayinIt's going to take more than a car tire, it's going to take solid evidence the tire caused or seriously contributed to the accident. I have yet to read a single story about a car tire causing or seriously contributing to an accident. They have led to a number of heated arguments. I'll bet there have been a number of accidents attributed to bald/old/rotted (bike) tires. |
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« Reply #11 on: June 12, 2015, 08:04:42 PM » |
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Take note also that your insurance can be denied in the event of an accident due to having unapproved tires on the vehicle.
Just sayin'
Good point, never thought of that one. Am sure insurance companies will try to find EVERY loophole so as to not payout on claims. Other than that, I wouldn't worry about installing a car tire on a cycle tire, especially one like the Austone taxi tire which in my eyes is not that much different in looks than a regular cycle tire. I bet not many police officers will even notice a car vs. cycle tire if get pulled over, nor would look, even if it is a law. Solution: just do not get pulled over nor in an accident, problem solved. I don't have insurance at all, even NO liability on my 2 ATV's and fishing boat, I live life I guess dangerously? Unlike my cycle driving it on the roads a ton more often than atv's, fishing boat, where crazies are more apt to get me, driving my atvs and fishing boats for say 5-15 days per year to me is not worth insuring. |
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MP
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1997 Std Valkyrie and 2001 red/blk I/S w/sidecar
North Dakota
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« Reply #12 on: June 12, 2015, 08:09:03 PM » |
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Take note also that your insurance can be denied in the event of an accident due to having unapproved tires on the vehicle.
Just sayin'
This has been said time after time. Each time, we challenge the person, or anyone, to find a clipping, a court case, ANYTHING, that proves this is true. So far, NOT A SINGLE instance has been shown where this is proven. Please, post a link to where this has actually happened. I do NOT believe it ever has. MP |
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Serk
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« Reply #13 on: June 12, 2015, 08:18:50 PM » |
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Take note also that your insurance can be denied in the event of an accident due to having unapproved tires on the vehicle.
Just sayin'
One of the times this was brought up I contacted my insurance (Progressive) and flat out asked them. I had the head honcho for "Recreational Vehicles" insurance policies call me up personally... He flat out stated that was one of the dumbest things he'd ever heard, there's no such thing as "unapproved tires" etc. etc. etc... Ride what you want, how you want...  |
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Jess from VA
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« Reply #14 on: June 12, 2015, 08:22:33 PM » |
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Take note also that your insurance can be denied in the event of an accident due to having unapproved tires on the vehicle.
Just sayin'
This has been said time after time. Each time, we challenge the person, or anyone, to find a clipping, a court case, ANYTHING, that proves this is true. So far, NOT A SINGLE instance has been shown where this is proven. Please, post a link to where this has actually happened. I do NOT believe it ever has.MP Agreed; but that said Mel, we have also asked that no one go around calling insurance companies asking about car tires on bikes. Let sleeping dogs lie. Don't give them (or their bought and paid for lobbyists and politicians) any bright ideas. |
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Jess from VA
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« Reply #15 on: June 12, 2015, 08:34:23 PM » |
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He flat out stated that was one of the dumbest things he'd ever heard, there's no such thing as "unapproved tires" etc. etc. etc..
What likely exists in most insurance policies is language saying that your coverage may be denied if you take stupid, unreasonable risks (storing 500 gal of gas in the house or heating with a fire on the living room floor), or packing 17 people on your motorcycle, or powering your bike with 100lbs of black powder rocket booster, or.... you get the idea. Again, it would take a very solid case of proving a car tire actually caused an accident, not just that it is frowned upon in the industry. And to argue it is a stupid unreasonable risk (to deny coverage), they would need to show car tires had caused all kinds of accidents.
Unless they get a wild hair and just refuse to insure bikes with car tires, which could happen if enough safety fanatics huddle up and agree it's a good idea.
Anyone think Smith and Wesson put key locks on their revolvers because they actually believe it makes them safer? It's all about liability and scum bag shysters.
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WilliamRS
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« Reply #16 on: June 12, 2015, 10:51:26 PM » |
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Take note also that your insurance can be denied in the event of an accident due to having unapproved tires on the vehicle.
Just sayin'
Do you have a link to someone that has had their insurance denied because of a car tire? Without a doubt, insurance companies can come up with many reasons to deny a claim....but have any of them actually done so because of a car tire on a motorcycle? |
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WilliamRS
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« Reply #17 on: June 12, 2015, 10:54:35 PM » |
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Take note also that your insurance can be denied in the event of an accident due to having unapproved tires on the vehicle.
Just sayin'
Good point, never thought of that one. Am sure insurance companies will try to find EVERY loophole so as to not payout on claims. Other than that, I wouldn't worry about installing a car tire on a cycle tire, especially one like the Austone taxi tire which in my eyes is not that much different in looks than a regular cycle tire. I bet not many police officers will even notice a car vs. cycle tire if get pulled over, nor would look, even if it is a law. Solution: just do not get pulled over nor in an accident, problem solved. I don't have insurance at all, even NO liability on my 2 ATV's and fishing boat, I live life I guess dangerously? Unlike my cycle driving it on the roads a ton more often than atv's, fishing boat, where crazies are more apt to get me, driving my atvs and fishing boats for say 5-15 days per year to me is not worth insuring. wish I had deep enough pockets to be self insured like that or to have toys that I only use 5-15 days a year  all joking aside, some insurance companies offer 'seasonal' insurance to cover the toys we only use during certain times of the year. |
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« Reply #18 on: June 13, 2015, 02:20:36 AM » |
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You just need to get set up to install them yourself. Or move to Alberta. Well yeah, I will get set up to do my own installs, but what about the roving MTO Nazi that has the authority to fine me on the spot, or maybe even impound a valk. Move to Alberta? Ain't you havin a oil problem, and you did just elect a leftist gov.? Bad enough here. I doubt your mechanics story. Here in Nova Scotia the only regulation is on tread depth. We have mandatory safety inspections every two years No safety inspects here yet, and hope not. This mechanic is a straight shooter, no doubt that an MTO guy did visit, and gave the shop notice. How much power does the MTO have, is my large question. I'm not interested in a Grand fine. So the MTO guy visits and just how did he become aware of this shop installing car tires??? Straight shooter ?  You better get that CT off and follow the other sheep....lol. A few more years of Kim Dong Wynne and your Valk won't pass the green test.  |
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csj
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I used to be a wolfboy, but I'm alright NOOOOOWWWW
Peterborough Ontario Canada
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« Reply #19 on: June 13, 2015, 04:20:03 AM » |
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So the MTO guy visits and just how did he become aware of this shop installing car tires??? It's not him becoming aware, it's him giving 'blanket' notice to all shops, don't do car tires. You better get that CT off and follow the other sheep....lol. Going back to MT is the option, yes, but have you priced a MT for the Valkyrie in this country? Holy @#$%. It's about 4 times what a CT is. The Austone ( at least in my searches ) cannot be found here. A Goodyear version with same specs IS available, about $200. Still cheaper than a Metz MT. The narrow 175 should certainly disappear under the bike. This seems the best solution. Take note also that your insurance can be denied in the event of an accident due to having unapproved tires on the vehicle.
Just sayin' I'm totally aware that this could happen, thanks for the reality check. A few more years of Kim Dong Wynne and your Valk won't pass the green test. I HOPE you be kiddin about this here tidbit. |
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A guy called me a Ba$tard, I said in my case it's an accident
of birth, in your case you're a self made man.
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« Reply #20 on: June 13, 2015, 01:59:00 PM » |
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Well, we have a few jurisdictions with new "loud pipes" laws in Caledon and Oakville (others?) and it wouldn't surprise me in the least if they eventually outlaw CT on motorcycles even though they are better in the rain, better in the gravel, better stopping power, better ride and absolutely safe in the twisties.
btw, the sooner we turf Wynne and her child porn friends, the better.
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gordonv
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« Reply #21 on: June 13, 2015, 10:20:01 PM » |
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I just installed the Austone this year on my BC owned bike. I think it looks more like a MC tire than a CT. But that one your bike, and since it is little well known, the inspector isn't likely to know any better also.
Also, as for the tire, it's been mentioned before, the tire is DOT approved, that's all the insurance company would be interested in, unless the tire was in s#@t condition. But only if the tire was what caused the accident.
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