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« on: June 24, 2015, 04:08:05 PM » |
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« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2015, 04:29:51 PM » |
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« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2015, 05:46:33 PM » |
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That was hard to watch! Did he live?
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« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2015, 05:50:51 PM » |
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Not hard to watch at all from here cuz the link don't work  |
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« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2015, 06:27:13 PM » |
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It does work....you have to click thru on the link
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« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2015, 06:29:55 PM » |
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Click on the "follow link" and it will work.
Was very hard to watch that. Could not have had a good outcome.
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« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2015, 06:36:29 PM » |
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Awful.
On a road that narrow and traffic in both directions both riders in the video were using too much of the road.
A lesson for all of us.
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Willow
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« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2015, 06:57:10 PM » |
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I'm not clear on how you could assess that as target fixation. He was taking the entire road through all the curves and operating at a speed that seemed to be on the edge of his ability. From when the truck appeared he had no time or ability to adjust.
Bad assumption on someone's part that they had the entire road to themselves.
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« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2015, 07:06:37 PM » |
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No center line on the road allowed riders to use poor judgement of speed and road use. That was hard to watch but it appeared the rider will live.
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« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2015, 07:19:40 PM » |
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I'm not clear on how you could assess that as target fixation. He was taking the entire road through all the curves and operating at a speed that seemed to be on the edge of his ability. From when the truck appeared he had no time or ability to adjust.
Bad assumption on someone's part that they had the entire road to themselves.
The reason I said that Carl was it appears he looks at the truck when he had room to the right of truck to escape. IMHO if he had looked there he would have likely missed the truck. Again my opinion..? |
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« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2015, 07:25:55 PM » |
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Looked to me as if when he enters the right-hand curve before hitting the truck, that he hit a bump that was large enough to unload the front-end (light bike).
When the front wheel re-gained steering response, it was pointed straight which pulled him into the oncoming lane (and the truck). You can see the front end shimmy-ing from the time he regains steering until the hit.
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« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2015, 07:38:17 PM » |
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Something happened to the bike the moment the truck came into view. I don't know if the rider got a fright at seeing the truck, froze for an instant, then panicked, or if he hit a bump and the bike wallowed and became unstable at the worst possible time.
From a speed point of view, the bike was travelling about 45 mph when the incident occurred. Not excessive given the sweeping nature of the bend. However I do agree with other comments that the bikes were generally going too fast for the conditions and should not have been using the entire width of the road.
I reckon this poor bloke was quite inexperienced and in his haste to keep up with his more experienced mates, found himself in a situation he didn't have the skills and experience to get himself out of.
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« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2015, 08:05:30 PM » |
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Tough to analyze this from the point of view given to us, that being a helmet mounted camera.
My guess is that upon seeing the oncoming truck as he comes out of the turn he hits the back brake too hard in the turn and that caused the momentary loss of control of the bike. Temporary lock up of rear wheel. (Had something similar happen to me in my accident but I fared somewhat better. Still wrecked but had it gone the other way (short slide to the left instead of right) I'd likely not be typing this.) There did appear to be ample room on the right side to pass by unscathed but he just couldn't recover from that momentary loss of control.
Can't really tell if he used any front brake at all. I don't think he did but can't really tell.
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« Reply #13 on: June 24, 2015, 08:25:50 PM » |
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Link straight to the video on Youtube bypassing all the other clicks needed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qicjDdBGZGA |
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« Reply #14 on: June 24, 2015, 10:04:59 PM » |
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When he first saw the truck, two fingers went out to the brake lever. He immediately squeezed, and I think the front wheel started to slide, and he released the brake, and stuff happened, and that was it. This was caused by overreaction with the front brake and failing to simply focus on the way past the truck.
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« Reply #15 on: June 24, 2015, 10:21:06 PM » |
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I think you are right Gryphonrider. I just watched it again in a larger screen size and you can definitely see he grabs a handful of front brake and this causes the bike's instability.
There is also a smudge on the lens right in the middle of the screen. Using this as a reference for where the poor fellow is looking, you can see that from the moment the truck enters view the rider does not shift his gaze from it at all.
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« Reply #16 on: June 24, 2015, 10:25:14 PM » |
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Glendora ridge road. I've ridden that road and it's no place to be screwing around or operating outside of your abilities.
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« Reply #17 on: June 25, 2015, 08:34:29 AM » |
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When I click through I get "FATAL ERROR". Hope that wasn't the real outcome.
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« Reply #18 on: June 25, 2015, 09:39:43 AM » |
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I quit watching before the wreck. The filmer went around many blind curves in the wrong lane.
Don't cross over the yellow line, even if there aren't any... whenever I cross the yellow line
(almost never) I consider it a giant mistake... I can only imagine how awful a mistake it would
be if there was a truck grill waiting for you...
-Mike
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« Reply #19 on: June 25, 2015, 10:09:52 AM » |
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going a tad too fast, around 50 for his abilities I think and in middle of road is never good. Could be a bump in road or just locked up front brakes since looks like when he hit head on was still going 42 mph or so.
Man, that would leave a mark, worst nightmare one can imagine hitting an oncoming big rig.
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« Reply #20 on: June 25, 2015, 10:33:16 AM » |
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I paused the video as soon as I saw the truck (but I knew when it was coming). He was in the middle of the road on a very slight curve. From the time I paused until the time of impact, less than 2 seconds has elapsed and he rode straight into the truck. He could have pressed real hard on that right grip and he may have made it, but he rode it straight. Could have been target fixation, but maybe not. How's that for definite maybe??  |
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« Reply #21 on: June 25, 2015, 10:37:40 AM » |
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Looked to me as if when he enters the right-hand curve before hitting the truck, that he hit a bump that was large enough to unload the front-end (light bike).
When the front wheel re-gained steering response, it was pointed straight which pulled him into the oncoming lane (and the truck). You can see the front end shimmy-ing from the time he regains steering until the hit.
he grabbed the brake, you can hear the tire chirp and see the bike swing as the back tire comes unglued. gosh, my wife and i flinched hard every time we rewound the video to rewatch the bike go thru that curve and into the front corner of that truck....our thoughts were that if he had just held it together (instead of grabbing the brake) and committed to leaning the bike more to tighten up his turn.... |
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« Reply #22 on: June 25, 2015, 11:35:42 AM » |
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I quit watching before the wreck. The filmer went around many blind curves in the wrong lane.
Don't cross over the yellow line, even if there aren't any... whenever I cross the yellow line
(almost never) I consider it a giant mistake... I can only imagine how awful a mistake it would
be if there was a truck grill waiting for you...
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I agree. Getting out of your lane is a huge mistake. He seemed to ride like the road was all his. |
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« Reply #23 on: June 25, 2015, 11:41:22 AM » |
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I quit watching before the wreck. The filmer went around many blind curves in the wrong lane.
Don't cross over the yellow line, even if there aren't any... whenever I cross the yellow line
(almost never) I consider it a giant mistake... I can only imagine how awful a mistake it would
be if there was a truck grill waiting for you...
-Mike
He was doing it so much I was actually assuming this was a one way road... Not good... |
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« Reply #24 on: June 26, 2015, 04:49:55 AM » |
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... How's that for definite maybe?? It possibly is but is not as definitely maybeous as it potentially could be.  |
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« Reply #25 on: June 26, 2015, 12:23:13 PM » |
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youcan google the werck and see that he lived to talk about it in the forums he visits.
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