Road rage...

[Daniel Meyer]

They're out there folks...

Several comments here:

1) I've no idea what traffic altercation led up to this...and it's irrelevant.

2) The rider behaved with remarkable restraint...now, I've been in similar situations and behaved with restraint and used only the minimal force required to defuse the issue...like the rider did here...folks like this cage driver are aggressive but when it comes down to it...once he got out of the car (which could have been used as a weapon), he was mostly harmless for any reasonably physically fit rider...

That said...this particular situation...I would NOT have managed that restraint. I swore in front of God and the state of Texas to protect against all comers that particular girl that occasionally rides on the back of my machine...and once he pushed/swung at her I would have elevated my evaluation of his  threat level to "end this NOW" and I would have put him down hard enough so that there was no possibility of any continued threat.

3) REALLY glad the rider had a camera on. If something like this comes down to "he said, she said" the narrative always ends up as "evil bad guy biker gang guy attacks motorist".  The passenger and the other rider that showed up and said he saw it all wouldn't help...the narrative then just changes to "evil bad guy biker gang mob attacks motorist".

4) I really need to get a camera...

5) I HOPE that the cage driver was drunk or having some sort of episode or whatnot...I dislike thinking that sober folks will act like this (even though I know better).

Y'all be safe out there...

https://youtu.be/_ZueHaDP4hU

[Alien]

If he hit me, we would have had a problem.  If he swung on Mrs. Alien, it would have been his very last day as an ambulatory human being.  Trying to hurt my wife is a non-negotiable ticket to very bad things.

[Valkjerk]

Funny, as I watched this video and realized that this guy was in attack mode, my first thought was to get off and lay my bike down and neutralize the attack. This rider showed a lot more restraint than I could have. As a rider, you would usually have an advantage with a helmet on except where a weapon is introduced into the mix. Alien, we think alike.

[Patrick]

I'd want to see what lead up to that incident and how it eventually ended, as, was he arrested.
And yes, I'd say the rider held his temper very well.

[solo1]

I hope that I'm not ever in that situation. Arthritis has taken its toll and I doubt if I could hold my own in a fight and I can't run.  I would have to rely on disparity of force. I would 'fear for my life' as one blow from the attacker would screw me up.  I've thought about this. I would not hesitate to draw and to use deadly force and then it would be a nightmare because of the way the legal system works today.

That rider was calm, fully capable, and handled the situation very well. 

[GiG]

Report said "No arrests"
WTF ? 
He plainly assaulted two people.
Goober got of Entirely too easy 

[Jess from VA]

Rider is the poster child for use of only that force necessary to stop an attack.

He did good, and the video is a perfect defense (to any charge against him).

If you decide to wail on someone, turn your camera off first.   

It is amusing that when asked logical questions, the perp actually appears to be thinking, and to be confused (and unable or unwilling to answer).  Needs a blood screen for ETOH and psychotropic dope.

Also, shows it's a real good idea to leave your helmet on during any sort of fracas.  On his first sucker punch, he clearly hurt his hand.   

[GiG]

Dude was stoned   
Needed stomping if for no other reason than punching a female   
I did like seeing him turn red while being held by his throat 

[GiG]

 ???

[havoc]

sad to see crazy cage ragers like that. be safe out there friends. The rider did handle the situation brilliantly. Glad the cager didn't have a weapon.

[Titan]

sad to see crazy cage ragers like that. be safe out there friends. The rider did handle the situation brilliantly. Glad the cager didn't have a weapon.

Agreed! I thought about that. I figured that, as crazy as the guy acted, if he had had a weapon, he would probably have used it without any further ado. Since he wasn't armed, the riders are probably very lucky.
So many people today are simply crazy! It takes nothing at all to set off a road rage incident. My daughter used to be bad about blowing the horn at people when they do stupid stuff. I've convinced her to stop doing that and completely ignore them now. You never know what's going on in some fool's mind.

[Robert]

Personally I think the motorcyclist did not handle the situation well. Yes the outcome was ok but I believe he was not prepared. Stopping a raging maniac while holding a 500 pound motorcycle is not easy and outright dangerous. What if the punch landed and what if the guy pushed the bike over with him on it? You are at a serious disadvantage holding the bike and trying to control a situation.
 
First if a guy gets out of the car to talk to you, in that manner, unarmed then make the decision either to ride off or be prepared. If the maniac was armed the decision is already made get the hell out of there.

 Prepared is having the bike on the kickstand if nothing else if I was going to stay, but personally if I decided I was going stay then I would be off the bike face to face. Quick assessment of this guy would have helped in this situation. Do not stand close to the bike either if you get off or stand with your back facing the bike but stand 90 degrees to it a few steps away facing the lunatic. If you are going to ride off then be prepared with your hand on the throttle and other on the clutch to move quickly.

I think he missed the signs that this guy was out for more and may have had a few screws loose.

 I don't care what woman is with me do not come out swinging and do not aggravate the situation unless I am down and you have a real opportunity to stop him like with a helmet in the head. Yes it gave the motorcyclist a few seconds to dismount but it may have cost him his wife/girlfriend.

It also would have been nice for the motorcyclist to turn his head a bit more to block more of the punch or put up one hand at least. Hope he had the bike in neutral also.

The guy ultimately came out ok thank God but never underestimate the other person. 

I am also disappointed in the Police in not charging the guy with assault and giving a sobriety test or drug test. In the end on the ground it almost looked like he either passed out or feel asleep. I wonder if the Police knew the guy to go so lenient on him.

[Patrick]

So many people today are simply crazy!
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So true !

[Titan]

Personally I think the motorcyclist did not handle the situation well. Yes the outcome was ok but I believe he was not prepared. Stopping a raging maniac while holding a 500 pound motorcycle is not easy and outright dangerous. What if the punch landed and what if the guy pushed the bike over with him on it? You are at a serious disadvantage holding the bike and trying to control a situation.
 
First if a guy gets out of the car to talk to you, in that manner, unarmed then make the decision either to ride off or be prepared. If the maniac was armed the decision is already made get the hell out of there.

 Prepared is having the bike on the kickstand if nothing else if I was going to stay, but personally if I decided I was going stay then I would be off the bike face to face. Quick assessment of this guy would have helped in this situation. Do not stand close to the bike either if you get off or stand with your back facing the bike but stand 90 degrees to it a few steps away facing the lunatic. If you are going to ride off then be prepared with your hand on the throttle and other on the clutch to move quickly.

I think he missed the signs that this guy was out for more and may have had a few screws loose.

 I don't care what woman is with me do not come out swinging and do not aggravate the situation unless I am down and you have a real opportunity to stop him like with a helmet in the head. Yes it gave the motorcyclist a few seconds to dismount but it may have cost him his wife/girlfriend.

It also would have been nice for the motorcyclist to turn his head a bit more to block more of the punch or put up one hand at least. Hope he had the bike in neutral also.

The guy ultimately came out ok thank God but never underestimate the other person. 

I am also disappointed in the Police in not charging the guy with assault and giving a sobriety test or drug test. In the end on the ground it almost looked like he either passed out or feel asleep. I wonder if the Police knew the guy to go so lenient on him.

Robert, I don't mean for this to sound like a slam against you or that I even disagree. But yours is a classic example of armchair quarterbacking. It's very easy to critique a situation like this one when you have all the time in the world and are in absolutely no danger. You have some very good points but that rider had seconds to make decisions and choices. He probably learned some valuable lessons that would serve him well in the event something similar ever happens again. We all did, actually, from watching the things that happen to others.

[Robert]

Personally I think the motorcyclist did not handle the situation well. Yes the outcome was ok but I believe he was not prepared. Stopping a raging maniac while holding a 500 pound motorcycle is not easy and outright dangerous. What if the punch landed and what if the guy pushed the bike over with him on it? You are at a serious disadvantage holding the bike and trying to control a situation.
 
First if a guy gets out of the car to talk to you, in that manner, unarmed then make the decision either to ride off or be prepared. If the maniac was armed the decision is already made get the hell out of there.

 Prepared is having the bike on the kickstand if nothing else if I was going to stay, but personally if I decided I was going stay then I would be off the bike face to face. Quick assessment of this guy would have helped in this situation. Do not stand close to the bike either if you get off or stand with your back facing the bike but stand 90 degrees to it a few steps away facing the lunatic. If you are going to ride off then be prepared with your hand on the throttle and other on the clutch to move quickly.

I think he missed the signs that this guy was out for more and may have had a few screws loose.

 I don't care what woman is with me do not come out swinging and do not aggravate the situation unless I am down and you have a real opportunity to stop him like with a helmet in the head. Yes it gave the motorcyclist a few seconds to dismount but it may have cost him his wife/girlfriend.

It also would have been nice for the motorcyclist to turn his head a bit more to block more of the punch or put up one hand at least. Hope he had the bike in neutral also.

The guy ultimately came out ok thank God but never underestimate the other person. 

I am also disappointed in the Police in not charging the guy with assault and giving a sobriety test or drug test. In the end on the ground it almost looked like he either passed out or feel asleep. I wonder if the Police knew the guy to go so lenient on him.

Robert, I don't mean for this to sound like a slam against you or that I even disagree. But yours is a classic example of armchair quarterbacking. It's very easy to critique a situation like this one when you have all the time in the world and are in absolutely no danger. You have some very good points but that rider had seconds to make decisions and choices. He probably learned some valuable lessons that would serve him well in the event something similar ever happens again. We all did, actually, from watching the things that happen to others.

Had a similar situation happen to me and thank God was prepared for it. Before that I had learned the value of not balancing the bike and trying to do something else. I like my bike, life and wife and the last thing I want to do is have to drop it or lose one because someone has a bad day.  So I only throw this out there to make some think and be prepared, its a crazy world and on a bike you do not have a steel shield and in fact unless you are moving are at a serious disadvantage. Most don't think of things like this. Most of the time things are great but sometimes things can turn to crap real fast.  So if you think of it and understand why then your will be prepared as I was, so its not so much arm chair    I am glad for the guy in the video but all I say is be prepared at least you may never have to use it but if you do you will be on more of a fair footing to keep life and property safe. At least from my experience 

 Try a interesting experiment have your bike running in gear sitting still and have someone preferably someone friendly try to push you off maybe even trying to slap you and see how well and how fast you could defend yourself or put the kick stand down shut the bike off or maybe in a bind would look to put it in neutral and dismount or keep control of the bike. It will open your eyes to just how dangerous this situation could have been, especially if the maniac was out for blood. Not trying to critique the guy but trying to make some think to keep safe and prepared. Thank you Daniel for presenting this.

[PAVALKER]

My take on the video.....

The biker admitted to breaking the law indirectly i think, by either lane splitting or cutting in front of the cage.  From what I heard at least.

Fortunately, his wife was there, dismounted and engaged/occupied the cager long enough for him to dismount safely. Otherwise, he/she could very well have had said bike on top of them.

I'd say 90pct of the time I have the bike in gear, clutch disengaged and ready to roll at stops.  I try to keep room between me and the car or bike in front in case I need to move quickly.  Not ideal in all situations, but for most I'd imagine.

If I'm in a situation like that I'm not sure what I would do.....but I know some available options...... Move out, pull out whatever I might be packing, or try to dismount safely.....but that might not be advisable either.

[BF]

All I can think of is WOW......what remarkable restraint.  Not so sure I could've held back.  

Second....gotta get a camera for the bike.  

I have one in the truck, but gotta get one for the bike.  

Have this in the truck......

https://buy.garmin.com/en-US/US/shop-by-accessories/other/garmin-dash-cam-20/prod146282.html

[Mr Whiskey]

Looked more like fear than restraint to me. He definitely didn't want to fight.
The little lady had bigger stones!

[Titan]

Regardless of how well prepared and alert you may be, something can go bad so incredibly fast that you are completely caught off guard.
 I was coming off the interstate on a long ramp that splits at the end with lanes to go either direction at the junction. I was behind a pickup truck that was in the right side and apparently going to go to the right and I was going to the left. Just as we reached the center divider, the truck made a sudden change to the left and damn near hit me. Scared the hell out of me and I got on the air horns. The traffic light was red and the truck stopped abruptly right beside me, with me really close to the driver's door. The windows were tinted and I couldn't see the driver.
Seconds later, a man came hurriedly around the front of the truck, having gotten out of the passenger side. He was walking directly towards me and I expected trouble. I had about two seconds and I stood up and prepared to reach in my pocket. No time. He was there. He quickly said he was really sorry and that his wife was very tired, had been driving a long way, and was very sorry that she almost hit me. She insisted that he take over so he opened the door and she got out, looked at me, visibly upset, and went around the truck. I simply said "ok, thanks."
I've thought many times how that could have been a very bad day for me. It was such a sudden and short-lived event and just shows how quick things can go bad, even if you're normally right on top of everything.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Looked more like fear than restraint to me. He definitely didn't want to fight.
The little lady had bigger stones!

I was thinking the same thing 

[BobB]

I believe the biker demonstrated so much restraint because he knew that everything was being video recorded from the outset, not due to fear.  Once dismounted, he took control very quickly.  The moron cage driver had no idea what was happening...

[Hooter]

      I don't understand how you would "prepare" for something like this unless you knew you did something wrong and pissed someone off? Then you knew there was going to be an altercation. It's a good thing one of them didn't have a gun? Look at the guys eyes. They are bloodshot and glassy. Intoxicated  maybe? definitely a mental case.
   Hit or punch or push my wife and you will have your ass kicked!

[0leman]

From listening to the news folks, I couldn't determine where this took place.  IF in CA, then lane splitting is legal, other places maybe not.   That could be where the old guy was coming from.

No, he didn't have the right to do what he did.  Yes, the rider showed a lot of restraint.   He did take him down, hold him, and tried to get him to cool down.  They did say one person was taken to the hospital.  I am assuming the old guy had medical issues.

[Grumpy]

From the news.......

From OP: 07/11/2015 Yuma, AZ .....Driver of the car apparently broke his ankle when he went to the ground, which is why I'm told he did not go to jail. He has multiple charges against him including endangerment, threatening, and assault. Myself and the police officers I spoke with clearly believe he was under the influence of something. Court date pending.
Read more at

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1f2_1436844882

[Mr Whiskey]

I'm guilty of lettin' people roll up on me too close sometimes & by that I mean invade my personnel space. Bad habit with all the "nut jobs" runnin' loose these days, but with that being said I can see how this young man got caught "flat footed" so to speak.
Now here's the rub though...........he only gets to hit me ONCE (& I'd be thankful in this young mans position that the attacker didn't lead with a rusty screwdriver or.....) & then we're going to the ground! (I don't believe in shooting an unarmed assailant.) He (the attacker) wouldn't be given the opportunity to disengage. I would be attached to him. The bike would hit the ground & I would hope the wife didn't get hurt, but I'm very busy staying alive!
I'm old, fat, slow, my "short" eyes are going, almost deaf in one ear & gettin' arthritic but he'd wanna make his first strike his best because if he leaves me conscious, I'm gonna bend some of his extremities in the wrong directions.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I'm guilty of lettin' people roll up on me too close sometimes & by that I mean invade my personnel space. Bad habit with all the "nut jobs" runnin' loose these days, but with that being said I can see how this young man got caught "flat footed" so to speak.
Now here's the rub though...........he only gets to hit me ONCE (& I'd be thankful in this young mans position that the attacker didn't lead with a rusty screwdriver or.....) & then we're going to the ground! (I don't believe in shooting an unarmed assailant.) He (the attacker) wouldn't be given the opportunity to disengage. I would be attached to him. The bike would hit the ground & I would hope the wife didn't get hurt, but I'm very busy staying alive!
I'm old, fat, slow, my "short" eyes are going, almost deaf in one ear & gettin' arthritic but he'd wanna make his first strike his best because if he leaves me conscious, I'm gonna bend some of his extremities in the wrong directions.

I'm with you brother 

[Titan]

I'm guilty of lettin' people roll up on me too close sometimes & by that I mean invade my personnel space. Bad habit with all the "nut jobs" runnin' loose these days, but with that being said I can see how this young man got caught "flat footed" so to speak.
Now here's the rub though...........he only gets to hit me ONCE (& I'd be thankful in this young mans position that the attacker didn't lead with a rusty screwdriver or.....) & then we're going to the ground! (I don't believe in shooting an unarmed assailant.) He (the attacker) wouldn't be given the opportunity to disengage. I would be attached to him. The bike would hit the ground & I would hope the wife didn't get hurt, but I'm very busy staying alive!
I'm old, fat, slow, my "short" eyes are going, almost deaf in one ear & gettin' arthritic but he'd wanna make his first strike his best because if he leaves me conscious, I'm gonna bend some of his extremities in the wrong directions.

Absolutely agree with that attitude!