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« on: July 20, 2015, 02:59:15 PM » |
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Governor Mike Pence of Indiana hasn't hesitated. He has ordered that the Indiana National Guard personnel be immediately armed with handguns at all duty stations including recruitment stations.
The POTUS will probably try to nationalize the Indiana national guard to stop it. I don't put anything past him.
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« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2015, 06:20:00 PM » |
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I have seen where other states or large cities have done the same.
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« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2015, 09:19:16 PM » |
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This was discussed on the Sunday news. The Guard has to follow the rules of the military branch they are affiliated with. Not what a governor tells them. The order will have to come from the military.
That's how I understood it.
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« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2015, 04:15:39 AM » |
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The way that I understand it is that the Governor of the state has authority over HIS National Guard unless they are called to Federal duty.
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« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2015, 06:14:42 AM » |
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Arming military with a handgun is a cruel joke.
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« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2015, 06:42:08 AM » |
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Not that I'm a Jade Helm fearing tin foil hat wearing conspiracy theory type but this has got me to thinking...
If a federal leader had plans to use the military against the citizenry, one of the things they would need to do is remove the Possee Comitatus Act...
What better way to achieve that then to orchestrate an event that makes the people who would normally stand up and defend Possee Comitatus the most turn around and demand it be revoked.
Not that I necessarily think that is what happening, but if someone were to want to do this, what better way to remove the roadblock of the Possee Comitatus Act...
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« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2015, 08:26:54 AM » |
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The way that I understand it is that the Governor of the state has authority over HIS National Guard unless they are called to Federal duty.
That's my understanding too. (This is how George Wallace used his National Guard to thwart Federal directives. And other governors to quell city riots.) The devil is in the details. Most recruiters are not former active duty LE MP/SPs or other operators with any significant handgun training, beyond perhaps a single day of qualification (or perhaps not even that). So you start sending off your recruiters to qualify for State CCW licenses, put them through some military police training on use of deadly force, and allow them to carry their own firearms on duty at the recruiter offices downtown. Issue them vests and any other equipment they need. |
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« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2015, 09:05:07 AM » |
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Arming military with a handgun is a cruel joke.
NOT arming them with ANY weapon is even crueler. |
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« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2015, 10:44:30 AM » |
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I guess giving the military an advantage wouldn't be fair. Half a chance is good enough for some politicians.  Not me. |
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« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2015, 11:10:41 AM » |
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I guess giving the military an advantage wouldn't be fair. Half a chance is good enougdh for some politicians. Not me. You do know it wasn't politicians that implemented that rule ? It was the DOD. |
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« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2015, 12:18:57 PM » |
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You do know that the governor in each state is in charge of the National Guard?
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« Reply #11 on: July 21, 2015, 02:09:18 PM » |
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I guess giving the military an advantage wouldn't be fair. Half a chance is good enougdh for some politicians. Not me. You do know it wasn't politicians that implemented that rule ? It was the DOD. During the Clinton administration. You don't think the DOD gets their marching ordered from the pres? It boils down to this. We trust our military with weapons to protect our freedom overseas but not here at home. Don't you think there is something wrong with that? Or do you fallow the typical liberal "disarm everyone and the crime will go down" crowd. If you do you are a special,kind of stupid...... |
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« Reply #12 on: July 21, 2015, 02:15:38 PM » |
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Agree, I'm very proud of our Governor. I believe I read Indiana guard members with carry permits would be allowed to carry their personal weapons while on duty.  |
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« Reply #13 on: July 21, 2015, 02:56:43 PM » |
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I guess giving the military an advantage wouldn't be fair. Half a chance is good enougdh for some politicians. Not me. You do know it wasn't politicians that implemented that rule ? It was the DOD. During the Clinton administration. You don't think the DOD gets their marching ordered from the pres? It boils down to this. We trust our military with weapons to protect our freedom overseas but not here at home. Don't you think there is something wrong with that? Or do you fallow the typical liberal "disarm everyone and the crime will go down" crowd. If you do you are a special,kind of stupid...... Actually the rule went into effect during Bush 1's term and was amended during Clintons. I don't FALLOW anything.  |
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« Reply #14 on: July 21, 2015, 06:31:49 PM » |
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I guess giving the military an advantage wouldn't be fair. Half a chance is good enougdh for some politicians. Not me. You do know it wasn't politicians that implemented that rule ? It was the DOD. During the Clinton administration. You don't think the DOD gets their marching ordered from the pres? It boils down to this. We trust our military with weapons to protect our freedom overseas but not here at home. Don't you think there is something wrong with that? Or do you fallow the typical liberal "disarm everyone and the crime will go down" crowd. If you do you are a special,kind of stupid...... Actually the rule went into effect during Bush 1's term and was amended during Clintons. I don't FALLOW anything. Meathead, you might not follow anything, but you sure do seem to defend Obama, liberals and the progressive stance on a lot of things. You also seem to relish playing the devils advocate by taking an opposing side to most everyone here. You claim to not be a liberal, but you defend them at every turn. |
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« Reply #15 on: July 21, 2015, 06:52:13 PM » |
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BF, I don't think I ever claimed not to be liberal. By the standards on this board I am FAR LEFT. And that's fine. This has nothing to do with Obama. That was the point of my post. It was a rule implemented during George Herbert Walker Bush's term by the Dept. of Defense. And yes I do enjoy playing the Devils advocate. I'm an advocate for the truth as I see it, if you don't care to see it that's your choice. I do FOLLOW.
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« Reply #16 on: July 22, 2015, 06:57:44 AM » |
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I like your style, meathead. We lefties are definitely in the minority on this forum, at least vocally. I suspect there are many more that keep their own counsel. There's definitely a pack mentality in most of the posts here. It's like whackamole. Anyone makes any comment thought to be of a liberal bent, the teeth come out. And anything found to be lacking in this country, is Obama's/liberals/progressives fault. Even things that can be easily proven to have happened years before he was elected, (the first time  . Friend on the left |
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« Reply #17 on: July 22, 2015, 07:30:29 AM » |
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I like your style, meathead. We lefties are definitely in the minority on this forum, at least vocally. I suspect there are many more that keep their own counsel. There's definitely a pack mentality in most of the posts here. It's like whackamole. Anyone makes any comment thought to be of a liberal bent, the teeth come out. And anything found to be lacking in this country, is Obama's/liberals/progressives fault. Even things that can be easily proven to have happened years before he was elected, (the first time . Friend on the left It just comes with the territory. I have made many friends because of this club. Wouldn't have it any other way. |
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« Reply #18 on: July 22, 2015, 08:13:01 AM » |
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I like your style, meathead. We lefties are definitely in the minority on this forum, at least vocally. I suspect there are many more that keep their own counsel. There's definitely a pack mentality in most of the posts here. It's like whackamole. Anyone makes any comment thought to be of a liberal bent, the teeth come out. And anything found to be lacking in this country, is Obama's/liberals/progressives fault. Even things that can be easily proven to have happened years before he was elected, (the first time . Friend on the left Neither you or meathead were here than. (I have been here since 99) But for the whole 8 years Bush was in office we had to listen to the liberals in this club bitch about how he got us into two wars and his failure as a leader. How bad a president he was. One named strong eagle was as bad or worse than DaddieO. So you know what. Buck up campers it's our turn. Don't like it than just don't open political posts. Simple as that. And If you got proof that we are wrong than prove it. |
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« Reply #19 on: July 22, 2015, 08:29:15 AM » |
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I was here for the tail end of it. And you are correct there was bashing of Bush. I doubt either of it helps the club |
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« Reply #20 on: July 22, 2015, 09:08:34 AM » |
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The Posse Comitatus has been repealed. On December 31, 2011, Obama signed the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) codifying indefinite military detention without charge or trial into law for the first time in American history. Just another thought while our military is overseas protecting us, here with weapons any order can be given to take over the police position. This was the original intent of stopping this kind of take over of the US local governments. This is more my worry than anything, I believe it would be very upsetting to see military carry m16s around local streets. This could happen with one toe in the door. Second verse same as the first, with one goal in mind all presidents have been moving forward with an agenda. This agenda has nothing to do for the well fare of the American people. So while one does one part another does some other part but they all move along with one ideal. So Bush or Obama different sides of the same coin. The real problem is division in not seeing our freedoms being eroded away with government control taking their place all the while being bilked out of trillions of dollars. So go ahead Bush or Obama argue instead of uniting and stopping the destruction of the US. Liberal ideals would not an issue if the politicians and government would stop the ransacking of the US financial situation. There would be plenty of money for all and programs would automatically be made to help all. No one in the US wants to see anyone starve or not have rights but when the system is corrupt the extra that would be there is taken by those who are wolves. It leaves us the US Citizen arguing for pennies while being bilked out of everything we own including our rights. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Acthttp://www.infowars.com/the-inauguration-of-police-state-usa-2012-obama-signs-the-%E2%80%9Cnational-defense-authorization-act-2/Why just why would you not make our local Police guard them just like they guard us. Give the Police extra money for overtime and allow them to do the job. Then also have military MPs or certain military personal guard them rather than arming our military entirely? They guard bases and certain installations why has this become a whole military arming? WTH is wrong with people, its security and if the army or navy or whatever sees fit to not do anything what does that say about our leaders again or about the situation.
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« Reply #21 on: July 23, 2015, 04:19:26 AM » |
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I like your style, meathead. We lefties are definitely in the minority on this forum, at least vocally. I suspect there are many more that keep their own counsel. There's definitely a pack mentality in most of the posts here. It's like whackamole. Anyone makes any comment thought to be of a liberal bent, the teeth come out. And anything found to be lacking in this country, is Obama's/liberals/progressives fault. Even things that can be easily proven to have happened years before he was elected, (the first time . Friend on the left Neither you or meathead were here than. (I have been here since 99) But for the whole 8 years Bush was in office we had to listen to the liberals in this club bitch about how he got us into two wars and his failure as a leader. How bad a president he was. One named strong eagle was as bad or worse than DaddieO. So you know what. Buck up campers it's our turn. Don't like it than just don't open political posts. Simple as that. And If you got proof that we are wrong than prove it. Wow, eight years of left voices... sorry I missed it. I'm sure you guys made your feelings clear at the time, though. . And meathead is correct, getting nasty doesn't do much to help the site. It's a beautiful day today, let's enjoy it. |
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« Reply #22 on: July 23, 2015, 08:03:08 AM » |
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I might have had an issue going into my recruter's office if I was the only one not wearing a vest.
Then again, I put myself heavily into harm's way after that.
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