Warning graphic. If you see this guy, beat his sorry ass!

[big poppa pump]

I know a lot of you VRCC members are dog lovers (especially pitbulls) and there are also a few pitbull haters. Irrespective of the fact whether your are lovers or haters, this is just not right. No animal deserves this fate even pitbulls!

If you see this guy on the streets, please please beat his sorry friggin' ass to death!!

Man blows up firecracker in dog's mouth

[Patrick]

It seems this may be hard to prove, but, that dickhead deserves to go back to prison just on general principals.

There is a saying somewhere about an eye for an eye. It seems appropriate here.

[Valkjerk]

How about we put a cherry bomb in his mouth?

[Mr Whiskey]

Count on it!

[Karen]

I'm thinking turn him around, and use the lower orifice

[scooperhsd]

It seems this may be hard to prove, but, that dickhead deserves to go back to prison just on general principals.

There is a saying somewhere about an eye for an eye. It seems appropriate here.

Lately I've been seeing and hearing more cases that "eye for an eye" does indeed seem like an appropriate or even the best punishment.

[BF]

I'm thinking turn him around, and use the lower orifice

 

[Rounder]

More proof the human race is in big trouble...

[Punisher]

I'm thinking turn him around, and use the lower orifice

Probably would fall out since he's been in prison.

An "eye for an eye" would go a long way to stopping a lot of this insanity.

[Patrick]

I'm thinking turn him around, and use the lower orifice

Probably would fall out since he's been in prison.

An "eye for an eye" would go a long way to stopping a lot of this insanity.

LOL !

[Karen]

Duct tape?

[john]

 
 
you would have to be brain dead
stupid son of a bitch ...
nothing like a good piece of hickory

[scooperhsd]

Duct tape?

Put the firecracker in his mouth, THEN duct tape it closed, then light the firecracker (with his hands suitably restrained).

[Willow]

I'm not justifying what the man did but the report says the explosive killed the dog.  How is that so different or worse than one who shoots a loose dog?

I personally believe a lot of animal lovers are completely hypocritical.  They easily justify the killing of unwanted and unclaimed pets, animals, while being strongly opposed to the culling of animals that have become an annoyance or danger.  By the way, what is it that makes an animal worthy of protection?  Is it size or perceived intelligence?  Flies are animals.  Mice are animals.  Rats, spiders, fleas and gnats are animals.

Sometimes our alleged reasoning simply doesn't make much sense.  I guess if we confess they are simply our emotional attachment they do begin to.  
 
As for the reference to "an eye for an eye" that was issued not to intensify punishment, but to limit revenge to no more than the damage that was done.

   

[Wizzard]

I'm not justifying what the man did but the report says the explosive killed the dog.  How is that so different or worse than one who shoots a loose dog?

I personally believe a lot of animal lovers are completely hypocritical.  They easily justify the killing of unwanted and unclaimed pets, animals, while being strongly opposed to the culling of animals that have become an annoyance or danger.  By the way, what is it that makes an animal worthy of protection?  Is it size or perceived intelligence?  Flies are animals.  Mice are animals.  Rats, spiders, fleas and gnats are animals.

Sometimes our alleged reasoning simply doesn't make much sense.  I guess if we confess they are simply our emotional attachment they do begin to.  
 
As for the reference to "an eye for an eye" that was issued not to intensify punishment, but to limit revenge to no more than the damage that was done.

   

Well said Willow, and I have also seen many animal lovers that think its ok to murder unborn children, but that's another conversation.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Sometimes our alleged reasoning simply doesn't make much sense.  I guess if we confess they are simply our emotional attachment they do begin to.  
 
As for the reference to "an eye for an eye" that was issued not to intensify punishment, but to limit revenge to no more than the damage that was done.

   

I think that's what it's all about. We get emotionally attached to pets. I didn't know the context of "An eye for an eye". Thanks for explaining it. Hopefully more people will use it in its correct form. 

[Patrick]

I understand the meaning of an eye for an eye, thats why I used it.  It doesn't need to be explained.

[Skinhead]

There was a post on facebook that showed a picture of the supposed dog this happened to.  If that was THE dog, most of his jaw and face were blown off, but it didn't look like he died instantly, in fact, I suspect he suffered for some time if he wasn't put down.  I only mention this because of Willow's comment.  

Unnecessary cruelty to any living thing is wrong.  People that take pleasure in it are screwed up.  I think a good old fashioned ghetto beating is in order in this case.  Poor pooch.

[Willow]

There was a post on facebook that showed a picture of the supposed dog this happened to.  If that was THE dog, most of his jaw and face were blown off, but it didn't look like he died instantly, in fact, I suspect he suffered for some time if he wasn't put down.  I only mention this because of Willow's comment.  

Unnecessary cruelty to any living thing is wrong.  People that take pleasure in it are screwed up.  I think a good old fashioned ghetto beating is in order in this case.  Poor pooch.

I agree with you entirely on the unnecessary cruelty.  The article attached only said the dog died.  If the animal didn't die immediately that certainly does change circumstances of the situation.

 

[big poppa pump]

Here is the graphic image of what the firework did to the dog's face...

[Wizzard]

no matter how it turned out its wrong.

[Xtracho]

I'm not justifying what the man did but the report says the explosive killed the dog.  How is that so different or worse than one who shoots a loose dog?

I personally believe a lot of animal lovers are completely hypocritical.  They easily justify the killing of unwanted and unclaimed pets, animals, while being strongly opposed to the culling of animals that have become an annoyance or danger.  By the way, what is it that makes an animal worthy of protection?  Is it size or perceived intelligence?  Flies are animals.  Mice are animals.  Rats, spiders, fleas and gnats are animals.

Sometimes our alleged reasoning simply doesn't make much sense.  I guess if we confess they are simply our emotional attachment they do begin to.  
 
As for the reference to "an eye for an eye" that was issued not to intensify punishment, but to limit revenge to no more than the damage that was done.

   

So the inference being you are NOT an animal lover?

This was nothing more than a horrific act of abuse for the pleasure of the perpetrator.

Hypocritical animal lovers? The overwhelming majority of them I know abhor the wholesale slaughter of shelter pets that are not adopted. That is why all of them support the practice of spaying and neutering of companion animals. That is why they spend their time, money, efforts & resources rescuing as many of them as they can. Hopefully to adopt them out to loving families. Not a single one of them I associate with even attempts to justify wholesale euthanasia. Your assumptions are wrong. Perhaps walking just one day in their shoes would provide a bit more of a realistic perspective.

The very first sentence in your post belies your claims of not wanting to justify this scumbag's actions.

While others may walk in lock step with your assertions, I am not one of them.

[KY,Dave (AKA Misunderstood)]

I'm not justifying what the man did but the report says the explosive killed the dog.  How is that so different or worse than one who shoots a loose dog?

I personally believe a lot of animal lovers are completely hypocritical.  They easily justify the killing of unwanted and unclaimed pets, animals, while being strongly opposed to the culling of animals that have become an annoyance or danger.  By the way, what is it that makes an animal worthy of protection?  Is it size or perceived intelligence?  Flies are animals.  Mice are animals.  Rats, spiders, fleas and gnats are animals.

Sometimes our alleged reasoning simply doesn't make much sense.  I guess if we confess they are simply our emotional attachment they do begin to.  
 
As for the reference to "an eye for an eye" that was issued not to intensify punishment, but to limit revenge to no more than the damage that was done.

   

So the inference being you are NOT an animal lover?

This was nothing more than a horrific act of abuse for the pleasure of the perpetrator.

Hypocritical animal lovers? The overwhelming majority of them I know abhor the wholesale slaughter of shelter pets that are not adopted. That is why all of them support the practice of spaying and neutering of companion animals. That is why they spend their time, money, efforts & resources rescuing as many of them as they can. Hopefully to adopt them out to loving families. Not a single one of them I associate with even attempts to justify wholesale euthanasia. Your assumptions are wrong. Perhaps walking just one day in their shoes would provide a bit more of a realistic perspective.

The very first sentence in your post belies your claims of not wanting to justify this scumbag's actions.

While others may walk in lock step with your assertions, I am not one of them.

I WHOLE heartedly agree !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[rainman]

There was a post on facebook that showed a picture of the supposed dog this happened to.  If that was THE dog, most of his jaw and face were blown off, but it didn't look like he died instantly, in fact, I suspect he suffered for some time if he wasn't put down.  I only mention this because of Willow's comment.  

Unnecessary cruelty to any living thing is wrong.  People that take pleasure in it are screwed up.  I think a good old fashioned ghetto beating is in order in this case.  Poor pooch.

X10 

[big poppa pump]

I'm not justifying what the man did but the report says the explosive killed the dog.  How is that so different or worse than one who shoots a loose dog?

I personally believe a lot of animal lovers are completely hypocritical.  They easily justify the killing of unwanted and unclaimed pets, animals, while being strongly opposed to the culling of animals that have become an annoyance or danger.  By the way, what is it that makes an animal worthy of protection?  Is it size or perceived intelligence?  Flies are animals.  Mice are animals.  Rats, spiders, fleas and gnats are animals.

Sometimes our alleged reasoning simply doesn't make much sense.  I guess if we confess they are simply our emotional attachment they do begin to.   
 
As for the reference to "an eye for an eye" that was issued not to intensify punishment, but to limit revenge to no more than the damage that was done.

    

So the inference being you are NOT an animal lover?

This was nothing more than a horrific act of abuse for the pleasure of the perpetrator.

Hypocritical animal lovers? The overwhelming majority of them I know abhor the wholesale slaughter of shelter pets that are not adopted. That is why all of them support the practice of spaying and neutering of companion animals. That is why they spend their time, money, efforts & resources rescuing as many of them as they can. Hopefully to adopt them out to loving families. Not a single one of them I associate with even attempts to justify wholesale euthanasia. Your assumptions are wrong. Perhaps walking just one day in their shoes would provide a bit more of a realistic perspective.

The very first sentence in your post belies your claims of not wanting to justify this scumbag's actions.

While others may walk in lock step with your assertions, I am not one of them.

Agreed. I have 3 dogs in my household and none of them are treated as animals. As far as I am concerned they are people and are every bit a part of my family. If I saw something like being done to any of my family member, I will rip their damn head off!

[czuch]

Take that bastard for a ride in a wood chipper.
That must have been one hell of a firecracker.
You can just bet he will whimper like a little girl with a skinned knee when justice comes.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I'm not justifying what the man did but the report says the explosive killed the dog.  How is that so different or worse than one who shoots a loose dog?

I personally believe a lot of animal lovers are completely hypocritical.  They easily justify the killing of unwanted and unclaimed pets, animals, while being strongly opposed to the culling of animals that have become an annoyance or danger.  By the way, what is it that makes an animal worthy of protection?  Is it size or perceived intelligence?  Flies are animals.  Mice are animals.  Rats, spiders, fleas and gnats are animals.

Sometimes our alleged reasoning simply doesn't make much sense.  I guess if we confess they are simply our emotional attachment they do begin to.   
 
As for the reference to "an eye for an eye" that was issued not to intensify punishment, but to limit revenge to no more than the damage that was done.

    

So the inference being you are NOT an animal lover?

This was nothing more than a horrific act of abuse for the pleasure of the perpetrator.

Hypocritical animal lovers? The overwhelming majority of them I know abhor the wholesale slaughter of shelter pets that are not adopted. That is why all of them support the practice of spaying and neutering of companion animals. That is why they spend their time, money, efforts & resources rescuing as many of them as they can. Hopefully to adopt them out to loving families. Not a single one of them I associate with even attempts to justify wholesale euthanasia. Your assumptions are wrong. Perhaps walking just one day in their shoes would provide a bit more of a realistic perspective.

The very first sentence in your post belies your claims of not wanting to justify this scumbag's actions.

While others may walk in lock step with your assertions, I am not one of them.

Agreed. I have 3 dogs in my household and none of them are treated as animals. As far as I am concerned they are people and are every bit a part of my family. If I saw something like being done to any of my family member, I will rip their damn head off!

I have loved every dog I've had since I was a kid. I would never harm them. But they are not people. I think you should treat your pets as nicely as you want but they are never going to be the same as a person.

[czuch]

He's in jail. Destruction of property charge. His boyfriend was not charged.
Armed robbery when he was 17 with 3 years outta 6 served. He's 23 now.
Of course he's innocent, its the neighbors who had an unleashed dog and its the dog's fault overall.
He was just tossing them so the dog would chase them.
Drag him behind a train.

[Bighead]

No I don't like what happened to the dog at all. But when I was a kid I had a dog who hated Fireworks of anykind and would pick up bite aor chem anything that was lit. No matter how hard you tried to restrain him it was nothing doing with him. Put him in the house one time and he tried to come through the window (closed) to get at them. Finally had to lock him in the garage. Loved that dog and he loved me but he hated fireworks,he burnt the hair from his muzzle one time when he grabbed a Roman candle out from between tree branches 6 ft off the ground when he got it he dropped it and stood on the business end waiting on each fire ball and tried to catch each one,unfortunately he caught about 4 of the 8.

[Robert]

I could not look it made me sick, Putting an animal down is hard but cruelty is unforgivable. God created them just like He created us, it is a respect for life, all life, that seems lost. While there are many reasons for killing animals, abuse is mean spirited. We can morally decide what to do animals cannot, we are the ones charged to take care of things. If the animal was friendly and trusting and he did that then he should be hung by his nuts. But if the animal was mean and charging all the time then he still did not have respect of the animal or life. Kill the animal humanly as possible do not make it suffer. You wouldn't do this to a 4 year old why would you do it to a dog. Its about the same capacity to learn at that age.

[art]

I could not look it made me sick, Putting an animal down is hard but cruelty is unforgivable. God created them just like He created us, it is a respect for life, all life, that seems lost. While there are many reasons for killing animals, abuse is mean spirited. We can morally decide what to do animals cannot, we are the ones charged to take care of things. If the animal was friendly and trusting and he did that then he should be hung by his nuts. But if the animal was mean and charging all the time then he still did not have respect of the animal or life. Kill the animal humanly as possible do not make it suffer. You wouldn't do this to a 4 year old why would you do it to a dog. Its about the same capacity to learn at that age.

     I agree, it hurt to look and I can't possibly imagine the pain that poor dog went through. My wife and I have always had dogs and cats and we treat them just like members of our family and shed tears when there time has come. No animal should suffer at the hands of trash like him.

[97ValkSteve]

He killed the "loose" dog on purpose, Willow. Probably for his own amusement. What do you not understand about this?

[Willow]

I'm not justifying what the man did but the report says the explosive killed the dog.  How is that so different or worse than one who shoots a loose dog?

I personally believe a lot of animal lovers are completely hypocritical.  They easily justify the killing of unwanted and unclaimed pets, animals, while being strongly opposed to the culling of animals that have become an annoyance or danger.  By the way, what is it that makes an animal worthy of protection?  Is it size or perceived intelligence?  Flies are animals.  Mice are animals.  Rats, spiders, fleas and gnats are animals.

Sometimes our alleged reasoning simply doesn't make much sense.  I guess if we confess they are simply our emotional attachment they do begin to.  
 
As for the reference to "an eye for an eye" that was issued not to intensify punishment, but to limit revenge to no more than the damage that was done.

   

So the inference being you are NOT an animal lover?

This was nothing more than a horrific act of abuse for the pleasure of the perpetrator.

Hypocritical animal lovers? The overwhelming majority of them I know abhor the wholesale slaughter of shelter pets that are not adopted. That is why all of them support the practice of spaying and neutering of companion animals. That is why they spend their time, money, efforts & resources rescuing as many of them as they can. Hopefully to adopt them out to loving families. Not a single one of them I associate with even attempts to justify wholesale euthanasia. Your assumptions are wrong. Perhaps walking just one day in their shoes would provide a bit more of a realistic perspective.

The very first sentence in your post belies your claims of not wanting to justify this scumbag's actions.

While others may walk in lock step with your assertions, I am not one of them.

Wow!  That was really harsh.  I guess we're well outside the boundaries of civil discussion.  That's somewhere I try not to go.  Usually I can treat people who disagree with me with respect.

I read the first sentence several times.  Either you think the English language means something that it doesn't or you just choose to leap to unwarranted assumptions.  The question from me (second sentence) was not whether or not he was right but why the killing with an explosive was more horrendous than killing with a firearm.  Obviously when I posted I had not seen the picture.  Also obviously the news story to which we were linked was not correct.  the explosive didn't kill the dog but someone must've decided it was more expensive to repair than the dog was worth and had the dog killed.

Cruelty is wrong.  It's wrong whether committed against an animal or a human being.  Killing is not always wrong but one would have to be told rather explicit details to decide whether a killing was wrong or right.

Your assumption, by your standards is likely correct.  I am very affectionate of my and other's pets, but I do not value animal life on a par with human life.  Were and animal, almost any animal to viciously attack or threaten one of my loved ones I would have no problem with killing the animal in a heartbeat.  I am an omnivore so by inference I believe that animal flesh is here for the most part to serve humans.  As an aside I would consider anyone who lays claim to the title of "animal lover" and is not a complete vegetarian to be a bit hypocritical.

After seeing the picture of the injury done to the living animal I would easily agree that it was an act of unjustified cruelty.

As far as your calling me a liar, Xtracho, we'll just have to accept that you don't like me and as of now I really don't like you very much either.  I have no desire for you or anyone else to be in lock step with me.  Truthfully I just don't fully understand what that means.  A discussion is only a discussion when people are viewing from differing perspectives.  Perhaps it is not I that is expecting or desiring locked step agreement.  

[Willow]

He killed the "loose" dog on purpose, Willow. Probably for his own amusement. What do you not understand about this?

After seeing more than just the news story it's obvious that he didn't kill the dog but rather severely injured the dog.

It's the "probably" that one could not tell from the linked news story.

For the record, as for what I did or did not understand, the question I asked, when I believed he had indeed killed the dog, was why killing by explosive was more detestable than killing by gunshot.  I didn't even bother to ask whether they were both detestable.

Bandwagons are interesting places to ride, aren't they?   

[97ValkSteve]

Bottom line is some asshat killed a dog for fun. Wax philosophical about it all you want to, Willow but it still sounds like you were taking up for that dude, which is totally sick IMO.

[Skinhead]

Bottom line is some asshat killed a dog for fun. Wax philosophical about it all you want to, Willow but it still sounds like you were taking up for that dude, which is totally sick IMO.

I think you guys are being too hard on Carl.  I didn't for a moment think that he condoned what this scumbag did, I understood the point he was making.  That is why I mentioned that I didn't think he killed the dog based on my having seen the FB story.  I did not want to post that gruesome picture here, I merely wanted to make mention that there was considerable pain and suffering inflicted on the dog by a piece of trash.  I love animals, most are delicious!  But they can also be made a part of a family. 

I've never been so hungry that I would eat a dog, but if it was a choice between my survival and a dog, I'll have him medium rare please.  I think this is kind of the point Carl was making.  Animals are not our equal, although there are several animals that I prefer their company to that of certain people.

I think we can all agree that there are evil people in this world, but WE don't have to be, and should be more tolerant of other's opinions.  They are entitled to them after all, no matter how wrong they may be.

[Willow]

Bottom line is some asshat killed a dog for fun. Wax philosophical about it all you want to, Willow but it still sounds like you were taking up for that dude, which is totally sick IMO.  

Not in the least, Steve.  If someone killed a dog cruelly just for his own amusement it would be equally wrong whatever the means.  Hear what you want to hear.

[97ValkSteve]

I heard. You pretty much justified it in your original post.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I never would have guessed even this topic would become so contentious. 

[saddlesore]

  Kind of late but I think comparing dogs to humans is totally wrong.  Don't bring dogs down to our level.
  Dogs are better than people.