Daniel Meyer
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« on: July 27, 2015, 12:28:25 PM » |
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Working my way around the front. I expect this will take the rest of the year... http://theoldvictorian.com/2015/07/27/can-of-worms-openStep one of the front railing project… 1) Rebuild columns. Step one of the column project… 1) Rebuild the porch. Step one of the porch project… 1) Rebuild porch header. |
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« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2015, 12:40:32 PM » |
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Man, I'm getting tired just thinking about all that work.
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« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2015, 12:45:16 PM » |
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I'm glad there are folks out there like yourself that have the drive, gumption and resources to restore and maintain these dignified old ladies...  |
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Never ask a geek 'Why?',just nod your head and slowly back away...  IBA# 22107 VRCC# 7976 VRCCDS# 226 1998 Valkyrie Standard 2008 Gold Wing Taxation is theft. μολὼν λαβέ |
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« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2015, 12:55:12 PM » |
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I think the can of worms was already opened up in the satanic thread.
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I can't help about the shape I'm in I can't sing, I ain't pretty and my legs are thin But don't ask me what I think of you I might not give the answer that you want me to  |
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Daniel Meyer
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« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2015, 01:00:07 PM » |
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I'm glad there are folks out there like yourself that have the drive, gumption and resources to restore and maintain these dignified old ladies... You very politely didn't include "insanity", "stupidity", or "depravity". |
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« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2015, 01:04:38 PM » |
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I'm glad there are folks out there like yourself that have the drive, gumption and resources to restore and maintain these dignified old ladies... You very politely didn't include "insanity", "stupidity", or "depravity". That woulda just been redundant...  |
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« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2015, 03:11:46 PM » |
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You have really done a beautiful job on it so far, I have been admiring your handy work.  To me it seems your moving along quite quickly also. |
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“Some people see things that are and ask, Why? Some people dream of things that never were and ask, Why not? Some people have to go to work and don’t have time for all that.”
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« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2015, 03:34:47 PM » |
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I hate those cans of worms projects, but what you're doin' is a big 'ole bucket of worms, but doable.
be patient, walk away when pissed, get out for some time on the bike when possible, and resume another day. before you know it, it will be done before long and it will look amazing and the best part is you'll know it's done right.
before you seal up the header, leave a little time capsule up there, sealed up for the next person to find.
I always leave little things tucked away in walls and such when I do stuff like that.
best of luck,
mike
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« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2015, 08:55:21 PM » |
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I always leave little things tucked away in walls and such when I do stuff like that.I do this too, but it's usually parts of my fingertips and skin off my forehead. 
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« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2015, 08:57:36 PM » |
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I always leave little things tucked away in walls and such when I do stuff like that.I do this too, but it's usually parts of my fingertips and skin off my forehead.  ooh that's going to be fun for someone in 20 years. |
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« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2015, 04:37:07 AM » |
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Pandorah's Box!  You need a bigger saws all! |
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« Reply #11 on: July 30, 2015, 07:38:42 AM » |
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Beautiful home and well worth the effort We live in a 100+ year old home and are planning a major 2nd floor addition right now. Tyign in new building to historic structure is a trick in itself. And modernizing without losing character.... |
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Tailgate Tommy
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« Reply #12 on: July 30, 2015, 07:48:28 AM » |
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Daniel, I get tired just reading about all that "fun". |
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« Reply #14 on: July 31, 2015, 01:45:56 PM » |
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Never ask a geek 'Why?',just nod your head and slowly back away... IBA# 22107 VRCC# 7976 VRCCDS# 226 1998 Valkyrie Standard 2008 Gold Wing Taxation is theft. μολὼν λαβέ |
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« Reply #16 on: August 01, 2015, 05:48:26 PM » |
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Looks beefy enough to me But I'm no builder either. How does one make a curved beam ? Hopefully you won't have to. |
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Daniel Meyer
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« Reply #17 on: August 01, 2015, 06:08:29 PM » |
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Looks beefy enough to me But I'm no builder either. How does one make a curved beam ? Hopefully you won't have to. Laminating (gluing) thin sheets of plywood together in the shape you want. I hope I don't have to as well! |
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« Reply #18 on: August 02, 2015, 06:56:52 AM » |
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curved beams; build a templet and glue and laminate it to required thickness, screws and flitch plate should help and always a bit wider if you have the room.
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Daniel Meyer
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« Reply #19 on: August 03, 2015, 11:40:42 AM » |
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« Reply #20 on: August 03, 2015, 01:28:45 PM » |
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Looks good and looks plenty strong for the application. However, that being said, it is not a true "box beam" in that there is no web providing a shear connection between the top and bottom segments. A true box beam would be over 4 times as stiff as what you ended up with. |
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Daniel Meyer
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« Reply #21 on: August 03, 2015, 03:17:00 PM » |
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Looks good and looks plenty strong for the application. However, that being said, it is not a true "box beam" in that there is no web providing a shear connection between the top and bottom segments. A true box beam would be over 4 times as stiff as what you ended up with. Can't put the "web" in AND still install it (needs to be screwed to the rafters). Will probably add one or two...but it IS actually a "box beam" as defined in the Victorian construction methods. They built them like this then covered the beams with 1" x 12" cedar tongue and groove mounted diagonally. |
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« Reply #22 on: August 03, 2015, 04:12:05 PM » |
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Looks good and looks plenty strong for the application. However, that being said, it is not a true "box beam" in that there is no web providing a shear connection between the top and bottom segments. A true box beam would be over 4 times as stiff as what you ended up with. Can't put the "web" in AND still install it (needs to be screwed to the rafters). Will probably add one or two...but it IS actually a "box beam" as defined in the Victorian construction methods. They built them like this then covered the beams with 1" x 12" cedar tongue and groove mounted diagonally. I apologize for being somewhat argumentative. I'm not familiar with Victorian construction methods. It's not a box beam if the box is not complete (yours is not as shown). I'm not sure I understand how the 1" x12" cedar is applied but it could be applied in such a manner as to provide the necessary shear to complete the box structure and would become a critical part of the beam. As I stated earlier, it appears to be plenty strong for the application and I realize you can call it whatever you like. Just calling it a box beam simply does not make it a box beam as used in a structural design application.  |
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« Reply #23 on: August 04, 2015, 09:48:03 AM » |
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Just calling it a box beam simply does not make it a box beam as used in a structural design application. Heh...ME calling it a box beam construction isn't what makes it a box beam construction. I didn't coin the term. This was actually called "box beam construction" in 1890-1900 when the house was built. It was somewhat revolutionary...previously they would have just horked a big honkin' timber up there. I don't know when diagonal interior components came along...I'm sure that was just as revolutionary. If the definition has changed so be it, but it doesn't change what it was called back then. This house has mixed methods...these beams where loads weren't all that big...and big honkin' timbers everywhere else. Not sure what they called "Big Honkin' Timber" methods in 1900. |
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« Reply #24 on: August 04, 2015, 05:48:05 PM » |
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Just calling it a box beam simply does not make it a box beam as used in a structural design application. Heh...ME calling it a box beam construction isn't what makes it a box beam construction. I didn't coin the term. This was actually called "box beam construction" in 1890-1900 when the house was built. It was somewhat revolutionary...previously they would have just horked a big honkin' timber up there. I don't know when diagonal interior components came along...I'm sure that was just as revolutionary. If the definition has changed so be it, but it doesn't change what it was called back then. This house has mixed methods...these beams where loads weren't all that big...and big honkin' timbers everywhere else. Not sure what they called "Big Honkin' Timber" methods in 1900. |
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« Reply #26 on: August 10, 2015, 12:22:30 PM » |
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Just calling it a box beam simply does not make it a box beam as used in a structural design application. Heh...ME calling it a box beam construction isn't what makes it a box beam construction. I didn't coin the term. This was actually called "box beam construction" in 1890-1900 when the house was built. It was somewhat revolutionary...previously they would have just horked a big honkin' timber up there. I don't know when diagonal interior components came along...I'm sure that was just as revolutionary. If the definition has changed so be it, but it doesn't change what it was called back then. This house has mixed methods...these beams where loads weren't all that big...and big honkin' timbers everywhere else. Not sure what they called "Big Honkin' Timber" methods in 1900. Were it me, I would have actually boxed it in with plywood or OSB, or perhaps just on one side, using sub-floor adhesive to unify the structure. But then, I haven't studied construction methods from that era. |
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« Reply #27 on: August 10, 2015, 01:02:28 PM » |
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Just calling it a box beam simply does not make it a box beam as used in a structural design application. Heh...ME calling it a box beam construction isn't what makes it a box beam construction. I didn't coin the term. This was actually called "box beam construction" in 1890-1900 when the house was built. It was somewhat revolutionary...previously they would have just horked a big honkin' timber up there. I don't know when diagonal interior components came along...I'm sure that was just as revolutionary. If the definition has changed so be it, but it doesn't change what it was called back then. This house has mixed methods...these beams where loads weren't all that big...and big honkin' timbers everywhere else. Not sure what they called "Big Honkin' Timber" methods in 1900. Were it me, I would have actually boxed it in with plywood or OSB, or perhaps just on one side, using sub-floor adhesive to unify the structure. But then, I haven't studied construction methods from that era. Well it does get a covering...and that will have the effect. They would have used western red cedar planks on the outside, and they used strips of beadboard on the inside. |
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« Reply #28 on: August 10, 2015, 01:23:25 PM » |
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My house was built in 1898 and when I remodeled it had real logs for beams in the floor with bark still on them. All the 2x4 and 2x6 were real oak and were full 2x4 and 2x6. I had to drill every nail hole. Then I had the house jacked up and dug a full basement underneath with a 13 foot ceiling. House was in the air and no running water and only kerosene stove for heat during the winter for 3 months. Had 3 little kids. Surprised my wife stuck with me.
I feel you pain Daniel
Oh and my kids brag about how they used an outhouse I rented in the winter. They had to walk down a plank 13 feet over the dug basement till we got the walls poured.
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« Reply #29 on: August 10, 2015, 01:50:56 PM » |
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As far as What,s holding that up?
I would say strong worms!!!!!!
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« Reply #30 on: August 31, 2015, 11:18:33 AM » |
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« Reply #32 on: November 09, 2015, 09:48:52 AM » |
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Been raining here in Atlanta for about the past 2 weeks. I like my method of remodeling. Get large check from insurance company for house fire. Find general contractor. Give him a little money to get started. Get everyone to agree to my decision about changing the 1st and 2nd floor plans . Drive by every 2 days to inspect progress. Crack whip to keep things moving along whilst drinking mint juleps and humming negro spirituals. If I'd tried to actually do the work as Daniel is the house would get condemned.  |
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« Reply #33 on: November 17, 2015, 05:41:28 PM » |
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