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dreamaker
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« on: August 08, 2015, 06:33:20 PM »

As you know I am not a gun person, but recently I have heard several things concerning manipulating gun control.
The first: I don’t recall who said it, but it was stated if persons, having a certain amount of ammo in their house, and in the event, I assume of a possible house fire the house insurance company can cancel the policy. Also in the event of a fire where ammo is on the premises, the insurance company won’t cover the damages.
The other: the NRA contacted me, to inform me of legislation in congress of a few issues of concern. First, any ammo to be purchased will have to be registered before getting it.  The other is, anyone owning a registered gun will have to purchase expensive liability insurance for it, and failure to do so, carries a penalty of $10,000 per gun, I believed they said.
Is this true, or is this a scare tactic, if true, the concept can snow ball onto other freedom issues.
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« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2015, 07:04:47 PM »

Yes I have heard this as well. It's just a back door tactic to get you to give up your guns. I have a friend who's a retired Judge. He's not a gun owner but hates the idea of the government taking away our 2nd amendment rights.
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« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2015, 07:07:11 PM »

I'm glad I lost mine in that horrific boating accident.
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« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2015, 08:28:36 PM »

I have heard rumor of attempts of some of the things you mentioned.  

For anyone having guns, I would assume that if they are in their house and the house is locked up, that should suffice.  If however a thief enters the house illegally and steals a gun, I would assume those types of folks would break in a safe or whatever.  As the saying goes, locks only keep honest folks honest....criminals will get it if they want it.  Liability insurance might be as useless as the paper it is written on, you can be sued wether you have it or not.

As for the fire issue, I think I may have seen a post here or somewhere recently that had a link to a YouTube video where the industry researched ammo  in house fires, and ammo in cardboard boxes had little explosive tendancy.  The little that did light off didn't even penetrate a layer of drywall, and none penetrated the second layer on the other side of the wall.  I don't believe it penetrated firefighting suits either.  Ammo is probably not any more combustible than a stuffed couch or mattress.  And, I would think ammo in an ammo can would not be any issue if that was the case.....but not sure.

Registering ammo is impossible.....no serial numbers and the micro stamping they talked of years ago is not effective or cost effective.  In order to register something I believe you need a serial number, like a car/Bike or gun has.  An ammo box has a UPC code and lot number, and is a consumable item.    May they require a person be licensed or registered to buy ammo....maybe, as we have a SSN.  But I think maybe they are thinking of passing a background check to buy it, rather than register it.  I think......  You never know what those crazy liberals will try.

Good to keep informed about stuff.  They are trying to do end runs or run a rounds in different ways to achieve circumventing the second amendment.

Found that video link about ammo in fire....    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3SlOXowwC4c
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« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2015, 06:03:33 AM »

What you said makes allot of sense to me. Maybe congressional people watch too many FX movies with house fires with bullets flying out all over.  What always get me is, they always go after the people that follow the rules and register their guns, and make them the issue of their arguments. I live north of Detroit, and I watch the news daily, and they find bodies, people shot, hit and run, drive by and carjacking nearly every day.  I assume they are all unregistered gun related, and congress doesn’t seem to make an issue about tha, and I am sure other cities suffer the same problems.  But they always seem to focus on the people that are team players and not the criminals. And I am sure many have never been in the military, owned a weapon or ridden a motorcycle and always making judgment calls on how to keep us safe from ourselves.

 Clear something up for me. Is it true if you have some sort of congressional position and have left office you get free benefits for life, is this true. 
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« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2015, 06:19:01 AM »

The proposed $10K liability insurance nonsense is just a backdoor move for gun registration. If you have to purchase the insurance you are clearly declaring that you own weapons. And I am certain that any policy would require serial numbers, make, caliber, etc.
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« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2015, 07:02:19 AM »

I dont have any registered guns. Indiana does not require you to register any firearm. The place you buy the gun from is required to keep the FFL paperwork for 20 years. 4" piece of pvc with end caps glued on would make some nice underground safes.
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« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2015, 08:22:48 AM »

I dont have any registered guns. Indiana does not require you to register any firearm. The place you buy the gun from is required to keep the FFL paperwork for 20 years. 4" piece of pvc with end caps glued on would make some nice underground safes.



Are you talking about something like this??

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« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2015, 08:40:08 AM »

soon only criminals, dictators and Isis, etc., will have guns. and they will kill anybody who doesn't go along with their agenda. Has anybody been paying attention to the mass killings of un-armed non-muslims esp., christians in other countries?
make sure the below quotes are read, esp., from current political leaders.

http://www.infowars.com/proof-un-plans-to-ban-american-guns/

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/item/14237-un-general-assembly-votes-unanimously-to-hammer-out-global-gun-control-treaty

"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing."

- Adolf Hitler

German Weapons Law

On November 11, 1938, the Minister of the Interior, Wilhelm Frick, passed Regulations Against Jews' Possession of Weapons. This regulation effectively deprived all Jews of the right to possess firearms or other weapons.

“This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilised nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!” Adolf Hitler

“All military type firearms are to be handed in immediately...The SS, SA and Stahlhelm give every responsible opportunity of campaigning with them. Therefore anyone who does not belong to one of the above-named organizations and who unjustifiably nevertheless keeps his weapon...must be regarded as an enemy of the national government.” — SA Oberfuhrer of Bad Tolz, March, 1933.

“Germans who wish to use firearms should join the SS or the SA — ordinary citizens don’t need guns, as their having guns doesn’t serve the state.” - Heinrich Himmler.

Sounds like....”You want an assault rifle? Join the Army!”
~Rep. Carolyn McCarthy Marxist idiot.

“Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those who would resist us have been totally disarmed.” -—Sarah Brady

“Banning guns addresses a fundamental right of all Americans to feel safe.”
~Senator Diane Feinstein, 1993 (No we have a fundamental right to BE safe thanks to the second amendment.)

“We’re going to hammer guns on the anvil of relentless legislative strategy! We’re going to beat guns into submission!”
~Senator Charles Schumer, 1993

“Except for lawful police and military purposes, the possession of weapons by individuals is not constitutionally protected.” ~ACLU policy statement #47, 1986

“If someone is so fearful that they are going to start using their weapons to protect their rights, it makes me very nervous that these people have weapons at all.”
~Rep. Henry Waxman

“I say the Second Amendment is, in order of importance, the first amendment. It is America’s First Freedom, the one right that protects all of the others. Among freedom of speech, of the press, of religion, of assembly, of redress of grievances, it is the first among equals. It alone offers the absolute capacity to live without fear. The right to keep and bear arms is the one right that allows to exist at all.”
~~~ Charlton Heston, Former NRA President
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« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2015, 09:45:51 AM »

Makes one wonder-ALL the talking heads in deception central-will they give up their armed body guards and their personal weapons? May as well start there and let them set the example!  cooldude OR is this SIMPLY a case of do as I say not as I do?  Evil I DO NOT trust ANY politician at all EVER. They-politicians-have not given me much too trust in a long time if ever!  Undecided RIDE SAFE.
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« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2015, 10:05:50 AM »

What I am seeing is, it is bottle necking down to, you can keep your fire arms and your right to own, but they will indirectly make it so expensive to own one legally, you wont be able to afford it. And if you stash one, you will be considers a criminal, for having it, and become a threat to them. Interesting, then they put the choice in your lap, and they are hands clean.
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« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2015, 10:31:33 AM »

I dont have any registered guns. Indiana does not require you to register any firearm. The place you buy the gun from is required to keep the FFL paperwork for 20 years. 4" piece of pvc with end caps glued on would make some nice underground safes.



Are you talking about something like this??




You got it, just add some of those little packs of silicate beads and you're golden.
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dreamaker
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« Reply #12 on: August 09, 2015, 12:22:13 PM »

You mean something like this!


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« Reply #13 on: August 09, 2015, 04:12:21 PM »

I'm less worried about the left's attacks on 2A than I was earlier in the Obummer administration.  He's pretty much a paper tiger now.  And I have been monitoring the NRA's and the GOA's fight back, as well as the RMGO's.  There has been a very strong grassroots pushback against the left's lawlessness.  I don't see 2A attacks being successful now.  No matter what the looney's do.  I won't be surprised to see more knee-jerk reactions of theaters and the like, becoming "gun-safe" zones.  I will advise them of their error and boycott them.  I certainly won't EVER stop carrying.





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« Reply #14 on: August 10, 2015, 06:56:10 AM »

I don't think any of the first posting of gun control will happen seems nonsense to me.  Then again,  our govt. is full of nonsense, so who knows??   Undecided
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« Reply #15 on: August 10, 2015, 08:19:11 AM »

I am not trying to be mysterious or anything, but maybe nonsense to you, may be strategy to someone else. Think about it, if someone gets in your face, you tend to be defensive and stand your ground, but if someone jokes, act goofy or like a buffoon, or saying things that seem stupid. Well your guard is down, they seem to pose no threat to you, and life goes on as normal. Now if you apply that to different issues in legislation, may be people just don’t pay attention because it seems too silly to act on. Sound dumb right! If I recall correctly back when Prez Wilson in acted the Fed reserve that way, which has had a hell of an impact on our lives and futures, in a somewhat similar strategy because of peoples attitude. The way I see it is, you have to think like a criminal, in order to beat a criminal, the trick is not to become a criminal in the process.  “Just thinking out loud” Have you ever heard the term, dumb like a fox!
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