Double Barrel Pump Action shotgun

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

I recently got a flyer from the manufacturer of these shotguns. I sat it aside thinking to myself it would be hard to learn to operate under stress. After thinking about it a couple of days I picked the flyer backup and looked them up on the net. Really a pretty good idea, not inexpensive by any stretch though. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzAaTcOdt6Q

[czuch]

One to turn em around, one to send em back out the door.

[Jess from VA]

Watching, I thought holy moley two shots/bbls going off at the same time will kick like heck.

But it pumps two, then shoots them one by one.

Nice if it had the option to shoot both at the same time.

3" magnums, 00 buck, one trigger pull, 24 .32 cal balls coming out at once.  That would be a shredder.

My new 930 SPX Mossey will unload 7 in 3 seconds. 

[Patrick]

Duck season is right around the corner, I wonder if it comes with a plug.

[3fan4life]

Watching, I thought holy moley two shots/bbls going off at the same time will kick like heck.

But it pumps two, then shoots them one by one.

Nice if it had the option to shoot both at the same time.

3" magnums, 00 buck, one trigger pull, 24 .32 cal balls coming out at once.  That would be a shredder.

My new 930 SPX Mossey will unload 7 in 3 seconds. 

Before the tragic boating accident of '03, I had an old 16ga double barrel that would let you shoot both barrels at the same time.

I've only done so once.

[Rams]

Looks like it could be a great home defense weapon, especially if that stock was shortened.   

I've fired both barrels of a double barreled shot gun once, I won't do it again.

[Bighead]

Short as the barrel is it would only be good for home defense.

[Gavin_Sons]

Short as the barrel is it would only be good for home defense.

Barrel length is deceiving,  it is a bull pup design and the action sits further back. My buddy has one and shoots slugs out to 100 yards accurately. It better for 1200 bucks. Fun to shoot  though

[BF]

I want one!!!!!!!

[T.P.]

And a place to get them at.

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/GUN-DP12

[Rams]

Specifications and Features:
 * 12 Gauge
 * Fires 2 3/4 or 3" shells
 * Two 18 7/8" barrels
 * 29.5" overall length
 * Unloaded weight is 9 pounds 12 ounces
 * 16 Round capacity, 14 rounds in the magazines and two rounds in the chamber
 * Two shots with each pump
 * Single trigger
 * Machined from aircraft grade 7075 aluminum
 * Thermal coated receiver
 * Inline feeding
 * Ambidextrous safety
 * Ambidextrous pump slide release
 * Two Picatinny rails for accessories; seven slot rail on the bottom by the foregrip and a 13.75" 34 slot rail on top
 * Co-Molded non-slip rubber grip
 * Slots to attach MOE rails
 * Shell indicator window
 * Shock absorbing spring loaded recoil mechanism
 * Synthetic stock
 * Rubber recoil pad with dual spring loaded recoil
 * Both barrels include spreader choke tubes with Tru-Choke thread pattern
 * Choke tube wrench
 * Heavy duty lock
 * Instruction booklet and warranty card
 * Composite foregrip
 * .125" Front sling attachment (The attachment point is smaller then the standard size)
 * .125" Sling swivel attachment on stock (The attachment point is smaller then the standard size)
 * Ergonomically designed to balance the weight of a loaded gun for quick and efficient handling with minimal recoil
 * Lifetime Warranty
 Firearms are not returnable for any reason. All sales are final. If you fail to pass the NICS check at your local dealer, you still own the shotgun even though you can not legally take possession of it and it is your responsibility to ask the dealer to make you an offer to purchase the shotgun from you. For warranty information, contact Standard Manufacturing at 860-225-6581.
 

Hmmm,  Well at least they tell that if you order it, you won't be getting your money back for any reason up front.     I am interested to know what their "Lifetime Warranty" covers, just not interested enough to call. 

[MarkT]

Well gun purchases don't really need to be justified.  Just cuz if YOU WANT ONE - thats good enuff reason.

However I have another use for $1200 right now.  Besides my Remington 870 has 1 up the snout and 10 in the tube, and that for under $200 (got the shotty at a pawn shop, and put a 10-round mag extension on it.)

[PAVALKER]

That gun appears to load two shells, into two different barrels and requires two trigger pulls before you reload.  Unlike the KelTec KSG,  it doesn'tt appear to let you load different ammo loads (say bird shot in left barrel and 00 buck into the right) and be able to select which load you want.  Although it does make it easier to slide and load two at once for the quick follow up shot.  I was at a show recently and think the KSG could be had for 899.00.  Depending on your needs or wants....either of those would be a great addition to the collection.

[Jess from VA]

Bbl only 18 7/8, even if a bullpup design. (18" legal minimum)

Weighs 9lb 12oz empty, add 16 rds of OO buckshot at 1lb 6.4oz =  a 11lb 2.4oz carry weight (plus a sling and maybe a light).  

Needs a bayonet.  

[PAVALKER]

Watching, I thought holy moley two shots/bbls going off at the same time will kick like heck.

But it pumps two, then shoots them one by one.

Nice if it had the option to shoot both at the same time.

3" magnums, 00 buck, one trigger pull, 24 .32 cal balls coming out at once.  That would be a shredder.

My new 930 SPX Mossey will unload 7 in 3 seconds. 

Curious if that SPX will cycle the shorty specialty shells?

[JimC]

I agree with pavalker.

I like the Keltec ksg better. The main difference is that you can load two types of rounds. OObuck in one side, and slugs or bird shot in the other and switch to what ever you want to shoot at any time.

Here is a short video of the Keltec.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ya1qlWq1Zkc

For those that are not familiar with Keltec, they are made in Cocoa Beach Fla. and they are very reasonable. I have a 9mm pistol (smallest and lightest made at the time) and a folding .40 cal. carbine from Keltec and I love them both.

Jim

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

I like the KelTecs too. My daily carry is a KelTec and my favorite play pistol is a PMR 30. It also doubles as a home defense gun, I know it's only a .22mag but two magazines equals 60 rounds. It's a big problem that 60 rounds of .22 mag won't solve.

I haven't shot a KSG but am hoping a customer will eventually order one and let me shoot it. 

One thing about the KSG's, there have been reports of people blowing off parts of their hands by working them fast without a vertical grip. The hand slides off and in front of the muzzle just as they pull the trigger. Operator error, not a gun problem but still something to be aware of.

[Jess from VA]

Curious if that SPX will cycle the shorty specialty shells?

I don't know.  It reportedly does fine with either high and low brass.  I'll probably never load anything but OO, though it is sometimes said lighter loads are better inside a house.

Light (aluminum body), fast, great Ghost ring and fiber optic std sights, sling mounts, and light(er) recoiling gas (compared to high dollar recoil operated Beneli/Beretta, for half the price).  The key to this shotgun is the gas system must be disassembled and cleaned.  

The front sight (adjustable) fell off in one day.  They sent me a new one, and when that didn't work, they sent me a new bbl, and paid to ship the original back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h20DECxN8bg  

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

Curious if that SPX will cycle the shorty specialty shells?

I don't know.  It reportedly does fine with either high and low brass.  I'll probably never load anything but OO, though it is sometimes said lighter loads are better inside a house.

Light (aluminum body), fast, great Ghost ring and fiber optic std sights, sling mounts, and light(er) recoiling gas (compared to high dollar recoil operated Beneli/Beretta, for half the price).  The key to this shotgun is the gas system must be disassembled and cleaned.  

The front sight (adjustable) fell off in one day.  They sent me a new one, and when that didn't work, they sent me a new bbl, and paid to ship the original back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h20DECxN8bg  

That looks like a good gun. The wife has a Stevens pump with a strobe on her side of the bed. A long tube like that would make it a great gun but it's still a just a pump gun.

Semi-auto shotguns have came a long ways. I just repaired an old Remington 11/48 for a customer. It was a Rube Goldberg machine with a stout and strange recoil but seemed to operate well enough with some new parts.

[Jess from VA]

I've a couple 870s; an old worn police trade-in with half the blue gone with Chote stock that works great, and a new one with long mag in Marine digital.  But I always wanted an auto.  Except it had to be reliable, and not cost more than my first three cars.  Gas operated has very decently reduced recoil from all other actions (recoil), but can have reliability issues, esp with low power and low brass shells.

The old Belgian Browning A5s work (but don't come in riot form with extended mags, and spendy).  The Remy 1100s and 11-87s are pretty good.  hard to find 11-87 Police, and the new Versimax is very spendy.  I read and waited.
  
Weatherby now has gas autos (SA-459) being made in Turkey that look very promising, but only standard mags available and no extended tubes for them, and no aftermarket extensions fit (without being a gunsmith and grinding and fitting stuff).  They have a SA-459 8-shot (also with ghost rear/fiber optic front sights, and two forward picatinny rails), but you can't find one anywhere; brand new in the pipeline.  I could get a std, and called them and they said they would be selling mag extensions, but not for some time.  If you can find an SA-459 8-shot they are about 100 bux less than the Mossy 930.  Though made in Turkey, Weatherby won't put their name on junk, and they are over there setting up the operation; and the Turks have been making nice shotguns (O/Unders) for a long time.  

The early Mossy 930s had some problems and they shipped out hundreds with crooked front sights (beware of early used ones).  They fixed that, and put a better charging handle on it, and the LPA adjustable ghost ring sight is 100 bux all by itself.  Jerry Miculek put his name on the Mossy JM 930 Pro Series longer bbl (22") three-gun competition shotguns, and does his magic with it.  That did it.  

Got my SPX about $85 under list at the local Army BX.  I was disappointed the front sight fell off (tiny roll pin smaller than any gunsmith punch was broken on install), and it took them a while to answer my email, but in a few weeks they took care of it with a new bbl (and sight).

M4 Benellis like issued to the USMC list for $2K.  They're nice, but not THAT nice.  And kick.

 

[Rams]

I sent the link about this shotgun to a buddy of mine that is a hard core gun enthusiast.   

I initially asked a few questions of him and then asked if he knew anything about it.

His only statement was: "Come and Find Out, it's a kick ass weapon."   Apparently, he's had one for a while and I didn't know it.

[PAVALKER]

These are the shorty shells I was talking about.....to increase shell capacity in mag.

http://www.midwayusa.com/find?dimensionids=4294846065&newcategorydimensionid=10129

Appears the SPX, or any semi auto won't cycle them.  I was and still am thinking of that SPX.  The KSG aears to cycle those shorty specialty shells fine tho.....beings its a pump.

[Jess from VA]

Well, the shorties are kind of a novelty item.  Probably good for rats in the dump or birds or just plinking.  But for defense, you'd really rather have 2 3/4s.  I mean, I don't want to get shot with one; and I really have no idea of their terminal ballistics. 

I do know that a std 32 acp FMJ travels at about 900 fps with muzzle energy of 130 ft/lbs (bbl length unstated, but most 32s are short bbls).  And 9 .32 cal balls from an OO buck from an 18" shotgun travels at 1300+ fps with muzzle energy of 2000-3000 ft/lbs.

There can be an issue with youngsters and females shooting a 12 gauge, so get them a 20 gauge.

Reading about the minishells, it seems even pumps have routine difficulties with them, and some models do better than others.

Copy/paste from your link: 
To this, we would like to state once more that Minishells will not cycle flawlessly in regular pump action shotguns, no matter how well some customers are able to cycle them. Again, the Winchester 1300 Defender would seem to be the one cycling Minishells best.

We do not know of any semi-automatic shotguns functioning with Minishells.