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« on: September 02, 2015, 05:53:52 AM »



If, while driving, you were also chowing down food, yakking on your phone or getting distracted by the Labrador retriever, would your insurance company know?
A patent issued in August to Allstate mentions using sensors and cameras to record “potential sources of driver distraction within the vehicle (e.g. pets, phone usage, unsecured objects in vehicle).” It also mentions gathering information on the number and types of passengers — whether adults, children or teenagers.

And the insurer, based in suburban Chicago, isn’t just interested in the motoring habits of its own policyholders.

Underscoring companies’ interest in collecting and analyzing information on you, also known as big data, the patent also envisions gathering information on nearby cars so it can compare its policyholder’s habits to other motorists in the area. The patent, called “traffic-based driving analysis,” is for a server that will receive driving behavior data from sensors, cameras and other devices.

“So my car spies on me and on other drivers near me?” Bob Hunter, insurance director for the Consumer Federation of America and a former Texas insurance commissioner, said after reviewing the patent. “Even if I give permission for this intrusive technology,
my car spies on unsuspecting passengers and even on unsuspecting pedestrians or cars passing by?”

Hunter wondered about the “liability for that intrusiveness” as well as the potential to pick up such sensitive data as ATM PINs. It’s “the invasion of the spy car,” he said.

Allstate said it filed the new patent a few years ago. Company spokeswoman Laura Strykowski said the “technology would provide drivers with broader information about traffic conditions and external factors that could better equip them to drive safe.”

It’s at least the second patent in recent months that the insurer has been issued related to connected cars. In June, Allstate received a patent for a driving-behavior database it said might be useful for health insurers, lenders, credit-rating agencies, marketers and potential employers. That patent also said the invention has the potential to evaluate such physiological data as heart rate, blood pressure and electrocardiogram signals that could be recorded from steering-wheel sensors.

In May, Allstate floated the idea of possibly selling policyholders’ driving data, and in doing so held up Google as Exhibit A. “There are a lot of people monetizing data
today,” Allstate Chief Executive Tom Wilson said at a conference. Searching on Google, for example, “seems like it’s free, but it’s not free,” he said. “You’re giving them your information, and they sell your information.” Wilson then raised the question of whether Allstate could or should “sell this information we get from people driving around to various people and capture some additional profit and, perhaps, give a better value proposition to our customers that we’re not giving today?”

Long-term, car insurers’ business models are under pressure. Questions have been raised about the industry’s long-term viability given increasingly safe cars. Also, with vehicles getting more connected, some have also wondered whether Google and Apple could pose threats to car insurers, which traditionally have gathered their own loss data and kept it in-house.

Allstate’s August patent adds several other physiological measures to the list of possible characteristics to collect: the driver’s eye and head positions and the “physical or mental state of the driver, such as fatigue or intoxication,” which could be determined by “sensors that detect the content of alcohol in the air or blood-alcohol content of the driver, such as a breathalyzer.” The database could also include audio that could pick up a cranked-up stereo or animated passengers, the patent said.
Allstate and other insurers are increasingly using information gleaned from technology, typically plug-in devices or smartphone apps, to score the driving habits of policyholders, who in exchange get the chance to qualify for discounts on their insurance. The programs are voluntary but have evolved from analyzing braking habits and time of day driven, to looking at physiological characteristics and now maybe even nearby drivers with the possibility of selling the data.

The patent describes a computer system or a computer program, or hardware or software, or a combination of the two. The sensors and cameras could transmit the data to “external computer systems,” the patent said.

The accompanying charts include plans to track other vehicles’ driving patterns.

“In a particular flow of traffic, if most or all of the cars are speeding, then it might be safer for a driver to drive within the flow of traffic than to drive at the speed limit,” Allstate said in its patent. “Similarly, an occurrence of sudden swerving or braking by a vehicle may indicate a high risk or unsafe driving behavior by a driver not paying attention to the road, but if many cars on the same road at or near the same time also brake or swerve suddenly,” it could mean that there’s a fallen tree or disabled vehicle.


http://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/2015/09/01/spy-car-worries-raised-new-allstate-patent/71554318/






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« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2015, 06:07:15 AM »

Anyone that has the plug in driver module that they say will save on insurance that plugs into the cars diagnostic port is the for runner for this. Pretty stupid to let the insurance company monitor you through this port, at least it seems to me. Not to mention the insurance companies are getting bolder because the car you drive if new does have a black box and it too monitors your driving and they give it directly to the insurance company. This was installed at their request so gov is going along with it.
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« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2015, 06:22:25 AM »

Forerunner - correct.
Just like everything else, (think seat belts), pretty soon it will be mandatory  police
Allstate then sells your personal info for profit - including your bank PIN  tickedoff
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« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2015, 06:42:44 AM »

My car is a 700 horsepower 1950 Chevy.  Flo can kiss my alien a$$.

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« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2015, 07:41:19 AM »

You mean, you are just figuring this out now!  I mean the horse has been out of the barn for quite some time already. I look at these people as white collar criminals, they get away with it because they wear ties rather than a blue collars. The way I see it they are stealing out lives right under our noses, and we fool ourselves believing it can't happen hear. Do you sincerely believe that if their patent gets turn down, it just goes away, and they just throw away their investment, tell me you are not that stupid. What GIG brought to your attention is serious stuff, and he brought it to your attention, think about all the things going on that has not been brought to you attention. I encourage people to use their brains, use their own thoughts and make their own decisions. I learned a long time ago, if you want to beat a criminal, you must think like a criminal to stay ahead of them, the trick is not to become a criminal. I knew there was a reason I couldn't stand Flo!!
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« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2015, 07:45:35 AM »

What "they" show us is ONLY the tip of a huge iceberg!  uglystupid2 It's what "they" are NOT showing us that scares the kaka outa me!  Embarrassed RIDE SAFE
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« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2015, 09:30:58 AM »

I did thru Liberty Mutual insurance on all 3 newer cars the drivewise program plugging a diagnostic tool on my onboard computer monitoring braking,  sudden starts, time of driving before or after midnight basically, and number of times driving/miles.  I disliked doing it but saved 17% off my policy on each 3 vehicles.  Was worth it to me to save over 150 bucks every 6 month policy.  I did NOT like it though since on my newer truck,  it screwed up the a/c unit kicking on and off messing it up but ONLY while the unit was plugged in.  Electronic circuitry on these modern vehicles can get messed up since so technical then who takes the blame even if under warranty??  Will liberty mutual or the mfg. of the monitoring unit take the blame and pay 1-3 grand or more if it messes up permanently the electronics on my 30K+ pickup?

This more than intrusive spy B.S. going anything more than what I did is totally unethical and should be banned plain and simple. 

Anyone signing up for these intrusive invasion of privacy needs to make their own decisions but am guessing Allstate might be loosing a few 1000 customers over this unless they can drastically reduce the policy holders premiums.    I'm all for saving some money, but when it goes above and beyond having spy cams involved, I will NOT do it since for one, I do not wear my seat belt most of the time.  I figure once they put seat belts on cycles is the time I get out of cycling I guess?    Air bags and anti lock brakes on cycles are great if willing to pay for them, but we've been riding cycles for decades without them, can get by without. 
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« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2015, 11:35:40 AM »

The thing is - its NOT voluntary.
These devices are taking info about OTHER drivers on the road, too!
Won't be long before they are legislated into law.

Just to clarify the title of the post (I think it slipped by):
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« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2015, 11:53:09 AM »

So my 2014 1800c has a black box and measured when both wheels came off the ground? At 125? While 2up?   Roll Eyes
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« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2015, 01:49:55 PM »

So my 2014 1800c has a black box and measured when both wheels came off the ground? At 125? While 2up?   Roll Eyes

I bet your sweetie lifted YOU off the ground by your ears after that one!
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« Reply #10 on: September 02, 2015, 05:04:46 PM »

I'm keeping my 93 f150  and 95 buick. I also can't stand Flo.
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« Reply #11 on: September 02, 2015, 05:57:37 PM »

My feelings about those "nannyboxes" can be summed it simply -

#1 - I'm a motorcyclist,
#2 - Who took flight training in the Navy (ever do some ACM ? it makes all rollercoasters seem tame...)
#3 - who LIVES for accelerations.

in short - no way no how.

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« Reply #12 on: September 02, 2015, 06:31:05 PM »

The way I see it, even if you live in a cave, no one is immune, you think that seed was just planted, think again, it was done along time ago. From what I recall, VW started that black box crap in cars along time ago. I knew something wasn't right when Progressive started offering that data collecting module, and knew it was just a matter of time. They can also access data through OnStar and Sync, even if you don't subscribe to it. My StateFarm asked me to voluntarily give them access through my Sync, and they would give me a better price. Of course they wanted me to subscribe to the sync package, I asked them what planet they were from, and ask them if they would pay for my sync subscription.  Of course they said NO! I then asked them were is the savings, then told them to take a hike, far as access was concerned. Didn't make friends that day!
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« Reply #13 on: September 03, 2015, 02:49:25 PM »

No Sync devices in this household, but I threw that State Farm letter promoting the OBDII dongle out pronto as soon as I saw what it was asking for.
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