British official says high immigration is incompatible with a ‘cohesive socitey

[Robert]

Someone finally said it, now maybe we can have some constructive conversation on securing the boarders and giving those here a path to legitimate citizenship.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/10/06/top-british-official-says-high-immigration-is-incompatible-with-a-cohesive-society/

[G-Man]

I've been scratching my head for over a year now about because I can't find a video on Youtube that I saw about immigration.  The video was just some  guy explaining what immigration does and how our gov't had set up measures to maintain immigration numbers (including temporary immigration) due to economic reasons.

He explained that an equation, or several equations, were used to calculate an appropriate amount of legal immigration based on the country's birth rate, death rate, GDP, unemployment rate, marriage rate, and many others rates.  He then explained that when we abandon this, like they have in some European countries, and like we have with the ever growing number of illegal immigrants, society will see a devalued workforce and an increase on gov't dependency which is exactly what's happening now. 

[Robert]

Maybe this is the video you were thinking of?

Immigration, World Poverty and Gumballs - Updated 2010
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE

[The emperor has no clothes]

Someone finally said it, now maybe we can have some constructive conversation on securing the boarders and giving those here a path to legitimate citizenship.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/10/06/top-british-official-says-high-immigration-is-incompatible-with-a-cohesive-society/

So, you are in favor of a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants ?

[Crackerborn]

We are all children of immigrants, some a few more generations than others. According to some historians, even the Native Americans came here from another Continent. But legality should be met and observed to become an American citizen and recipient of the benefits of that privilege.

[MacDragon]

I was about to say something similar.  We are all immigrants in our own right somewhere down the line... and that's ok.  I was born here and so were my parents... but my grandparents immigrated from Ireland, Scotland, and France through Nova Scotia in the early 1900s.  They became American citizens the right way and legally. IMHO. So being an immigrant has never been a bad thing.  The Country was buiilt on and with them/us.   
What I DO take exception to is illegal aliens coming here under the radar with no intentions of becoming citizens or pledging alegience and being given OUR tax dollars and benefits as though it was free candy.  It's being passed out freely with no end in sight.  Rant off.  Tin foil helmet on. ???

[Robert]

Someone finally said it, now maybe we can have some constructive conversation on securing the boarders and giving those here a path to legitimate citizenship.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/10/06/top-british-official-says-high-immigration-is-incompatible-with-a-cohesive-society/

So, you are in favor of a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants ?

Yes but not the way things are now and with new laws and regulations. I have had known quite a few that have tried to become US citizens and the process is long hard and expensive. We already have these people here and they are somewhat in the system.
     
     If a program was started to register these people along with some stiff penalties, if not in compliance like deportation, stripping the current illegals of all benefits and rights including your child is a citizen if born here, and making it illegal to hire anyone that is not a US citizen or on the path to become one. Stripping them of drivers Licenses and the right to work, Stopping companies from importing foreign workers to replace those registered or legal or US citizens and giving them automatic path to citizenship. The other thing that has to stop is not being a US citizen and still getting a tax rebate for children that are not even here. Green cards that mean something and allowing the Police to do their job in arresting anyone who does not comply with the new rules. Compliance and assimilation into the US with US ideals should also mean something.

  I will compare it to a teenager that is given a car and breaks it almost immediately but when they have to work for it and value what it took to receive the benefits that come from having it, the appreciation and caring that goes along with it is life changing. This would also give those who did it right to become US citizens the thumbs up in saying you did good and achieved this, thanks for becoming part of the US people. If you are Illegal then that should mean just that illegal not entitled to anything. Just as we prosecute people who commit crimes, we have done more damage to those who have been in jail than to those who are here illegally. What is wrong when we have people who are not legal protesting in the streets to get something they want, wth?

  I want to say one other thing about the US, we need to start making it mean something again to be a US citizen. Like the days when the world was in awe if you said you were a US citizen. Not for reasons of simple grandeur but to appreciate what we have been blessed with as a country and what we have done and continue to do. Honor and make it known the sacrifices that were done by all to get to where we are now, so all can appreciate being a US citizen being welcomed into a special society. To make it known that the US once again stands for excellence and stand up for and give credit to the values that got us here. That the US has your back if you are a US citizen and will welcome those who want to become a citizen the correct way. If we do no honor our past then why would anyone else honor the people, sacrifice and struggle of those in the past? We are destined to become a nation without a past not apprecitive of what came before and falling for every new politically correct spur of the moment plan. OH wait that is where we are now.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Someone finally said it, now maybe we can have some constructive conversation on securing the boarders and giving those here a path to legitimate citizenship.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/10/06/top-british-official-says-high-immigration-is-incompatible-with-a-cohesive-society/

So, you are in favor of a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants ?

Yes but not the way things are now and with new laws and regulations. I have had known quite a few that have tried to become US citizens and the process is long hard and expensive. We already have these people here and they are somewhat in the system.
      
     If a program was started to register these people along with some stiff penalties, if not in compliance like deportation, stripping the current illegals of all benefits and rights including your child is a citizen if born here, and making it illegal to hire anyone that is not a US citizen or on the path to become one. Stripping them of drivers Licenses and the right to work, Stopping companies from importing foreign workers to replace those registered or legal or US citizens and giving them automatic path to citizenship. The other thing that has to stop is not being a US citizen and still getting a tax rebate for children that are not even here. Green cards that mean something and allowing the Police to do their job in arresting anyone who does not comply with the new rules. Compliance and assimilation into the US with US ideals should also mean something.

Interesting, looks like we've found a subject that I am to the right of you on. 

[Robert]

 

 Interesting, looks like we've found a subject that I am to the right of you on.  


 

[Bighead]

I have a friend who was born and raised in South Africa (literally the whitest African American there is ) he came here the correct way and it took him almost 9 years to become a citizen he is probably the best wrencher I know the man can fix or repair anything and he has a cool accent

[Master Blaster]

It should be hard, If not, there is no commitment to really become American.  The object is to assimilate immigrants into America, not assimilate America into whatever country, or place, that they come from.  The danger is once they become the majority, they elect the government that they want.  Just through assimilation  they take over a country without a shot fired.   I just saw where one of our cities was 45% Muslim, and they had elected all Muslim city leaders.  To me it was a prime example of what can happen to our country.

[..]

It should be hard, If not, there is no commitment to really become American.  The object is to assimilate immigrants into America, not assimilate America into whatever country, or place, that they come from.  The danger is once they become the majority, they elect the government that they want.  Just through assimilation  they take over a country without a shot fired.   I just saw where one of our cities was 45% Muslim, and they had elected all Muslim city leaders.  To me it was a prime example of what can happen to our country.

Many cities in the UK are the same.

Screw the culture of the country we moved to let's make where we live now just like the place we left. 

[RP#62]

It should be hard, If not, there is no commitment to really become American.  The object is to assimilate immigrants into America, not assimilate America into whatever country, or place, that they come from.  The danger is once they become the majority, they elect the government that they want.  Just through assimilation  they take over a country without a shot fired.   I just saw where one of our cities was 45% Muslim, and they had elected all Muslim city leaders.  To me it was a prime example of what can happen to our country.

Many cities in the UK are the same.

Screw the culture of the country we moved to let's make where we live now just like the place we left. 

Oh, you've been to Slough.

-RP

[..]

It should be hard, If not, there is no commitment to really become American.  The object is to assimilate immigrants into America, not assimilate America into whatever country, or place, that they come from.  The danger is once they become the majority, they elect the government that they want.  Just through assimilation  they take over a country without a shot fired.   I just saw where one of our cities was 45% Muslim, and they had elected all Muslim city leaders.  To me it was a prime example of what can happen to our country.

Many cities in the UK are the same.

Screw the culture of the country we moved to let's make where we live now just like the place we left. 

Oh, you've been to Slough.

-RP

Slough was like that in the late 70's.