My Obamacare news

[..]

Mind blowing.

I entered a yearly income of $8,400 to find that my yearly premiums for the cheapest plan would be $5,750.00.

What a joke this is.

From the government web site

Based on the information provided, members of this household don't appear to be eligible for a premium tax credit or other savings on health insurance. But you can use the Health Insurance Marketplace to shop for a health plan at full price.

Yet some want more of the same with Bernie and Hillary.


This hypothetical scenario makes one realize how the Obama lies are so evident. The Dem/Lib/Progs are still running around with their craniums completely inserted firmly between their buttocks.

[Jess from VA]

And calling it the Affordable Healthcare Act is just as accurate and truthful as the Democratic People's Republic of Korea or the People's Republic of China or the German Democratic Republic.

When you're going to lie to a whole population/Country, make it a BIG lie.

Just get in line and walk over to the showers.  Arbeit macht frei

[..]

And calling it the Affordable Healthcare Act is just as accurate and truthful as the Democratic People's Republic of Korea or the People's Republic of China or the German Democratic Republic.

When you're going to lie to a whole population/Country, make it a BIG lie.

Just get in line and walk over to the showers.

Make it a BIG lie because you already know that a majority are so dumb they will believe it.

[Serk]

General rule of thumb, any law/bill is going to do the opposite of whatever it's name is...

Examples:

Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act
Patriot Act
New York SAFE Act
No Child Left Behind Act
USA Freedom Act

[old2soon]

What the moon bats and liberals and the folks receiving the "freebies" fail to address are the 2 glaring misconceptions. No sucha thing as a "freebie" and when the gubmint gits involved all they do is eff it up beyond any/all recognition!  Or am I being too harsh?  IF I run my budget like the folks at deception central do I'd have been out on the street shortly after I retired. I challenge any one of those sorry sumbitches to live on what I do a month-any cursed one of them!  Paul-have them recalculate and tell them yer mooslim. RIDE SAFE.

[cookiedough]

Is that price for single coverage or with spouse as well?

If single, that is CRAZY HIGH!

Even my wife's health insurance thru her work we as a family are on, and heard other companies are starting to do it as well,  are NOW almost FORCING (I think it is illegal myself personally) their spouse to take his/her employer's health insurance, if offered, for single coverage and dropping the spouse from my wife's companies health insurance so it is just employee + children vs. employee + family.    OR,  they raise the family plan rates substantially for employee+family if the spouse stays ON the current family plan making it darn near unaffordable to stay on my wife's family plan.

The days several years ago going into the drs. office and just paying 20 bucks per office visit with 100% covered thru insurance after that are LONG gone and that was NOT that long ago say a decade or so ago is all under my wife's companies family health insurance.  I'm just glad we had our kids 14 or so years ago since all those drs. visits now when the kids were little would run into the 1,000's of out of pocket expense. 

It is now like with the say 1500 deductible having to be met first before insurance kicks in,  unless you have a major surgery or go to the dr. often which we have not done,  the ONLY thing insurance is good for is surgery or other major medical health issues.   Then again,  one office visit to the dr. for our kid recently with bloodwork/lab done as well ran 450 bucks total.   Of course, all the lab work done came back negative so what really caused his issues is just a guess for now.  Same way for me when I had numbness in my right arm a few years ago could not even lift my right hand to wash my hair, ran a few neurological tests and x-rays and ALL came back negative, so 1,000's spent later,  NO known facts of the underlying cause, probably just pinched nerves in my shoulder/neck/arm.    It ONLY takes 3 basic office visits to meet that 1500 deductible. 

Thus the only time I go to the dr. is if I am almost on my death bed or REALLY need medical attention.  Knock on wood,  we do not get sick often or need major medical attention unlike the 2 families I know of where I work their kids having serious health issues having to go monthly to the drs. office or several surgeries and maxing out their health insurance plans for sure.  I cannot imagine taking off work monthly for a few days here and there like they routinely do to go see the drs. and continually run tests which are needed for their serious medical conditions.   One lady I work with having those family medical issues calls it a 'train wreck' and uses that term often enough that our boss doesn't like it when she says that near weekly. 

What also gets my goat is if the drs. office knows you have NO health insurance (as is the case with one lady at work who went to see her dr. with NO company insurance),  the clinic greatly reduces her out of pocket expense by offering MUCH, MUCH lower bills to those with NO health insurance vs. socking it to the insurance companies to those with health insurance.   

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Is that price for single coverage or with spouse as well?

 

Single

[WilliamRS]

Mind blowing.

I entered a yearly income of $8,400 to find that my yearly premiums for the cheapest plan would be $5,750.00.

What a joke this is.

From the government web site

Based on the information provided, members of this household don't appear to be eligible for a premium tax credit or other savings on health insurance. But you can use the Health Insurance Marketplace to shop for a health plan at full price.

Yet some want more of the same with Bernie and Hillary.


This hypothetical scenario makes one realize how the Obama lies are so evident. The Dem/Lib/Progs are still running around with their craniums completely inserted firmly between their buttocks.

with only $8400 annual income don't you qualify for medicaid?  The official poverty guideline for 2015 for a 1 member family is $11,700

[G-Man]

NOW almost FORCING (I think it is illegal myself personally) their spouse to take his/her employer's health insurance, if offered, for single coverage .....  

Been doing this for about 15 years now, at least.  My wife's union insurance called my employer and found out the offered coverage and told me I could only use them as a secondary insurance.

[Patrick]

It being reported that ACA prices are expected to rise 10-12% next year and 80% of those on it are receiving subsidies.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Mind blowing.

I entered a yearly income of $8,400 to find that my yearly premiums for the cheapest plan would be $5,750.00.

What a joke this is.

From the government web site

Based on the information provided, members of this household don't appear to be eligible for a premium tax credit or other savings on health insurance. But you can use the Health Insurance Marketplace to shop for a health plan at full price.

Yet some want more of the same with Bernie and Hillary.


This hypothetical scenario makes one realize how the Obama lies are so evident. The Dem/Lib/Progs are still running around with their craniums completely inserted firmly between their buttocks.

with only $8400 annual income don't you qualify for medicaid?  The official poverty guideline for 2015 for a 1 member family is $11,700

He did it hypothetically .

[Robert]

Not unusual, I know of a couple of other cases with the same results. One guys makes about the same and was denied and a guy that makes 40k denied. I am really beginning to wonder actually who qualifies. I am starting to wonder if its a scam since I am hearing more and more of these stories. I would actually like to know who has this insurance and if they indeed get a subsidy and how much they make. Wouldn't it be interesting if it was just a way to extort money out of people to pay for other programs. The Grand Jury said it was a tax maybe we just had our taxes raised so more could be doled out with the excuse being health insurance.

[old2soon]

Not unusual, I know of a couple of other cases with the same results. One guys makes about the same and was denied and a guy that makes 40k denied. I am really beginning to wonder actually who qualifies. I am starting to wonder if its a scam since I am hearing more and more of these stories. I would actually like to know who has this insurance and if they indeed get a subsidy and how much they make. Wouldn't it be interesting if it was just a way to extort money out of people to pay for other programs. The Grand Jury said it was a tax maybe we just had our taxes raised so more could be doled out with the excuse being health insurance.

         o and is ilk runnin a SCAM?  Oh perish the thought!  our gubmint only ever wants to help!  Do you believe deception central might-SHUDDER-LIE??  RIDE SAFE.

[John Schmidt]

As a retired State of Fla. employee, my health insurance cost works out to $6830 annually. It's a bit high but I have no copays with Medicare as primary, and it also includes prescription coverage so I don't need Part D. I have two scripts that are $60 for a 90 day supply, the rest for myself and my wife are well under $10 for 90 days. Once in a great while we may have a small portion to pay on a procedure not fully covered, last one was $4.15. We now have open enrollment going on for State employees, retired or active, done at the same time as the federal enrollment period. I was considering changing plans but kept remembering my heart attack of three years ago. I was in the hospital for five weeks, the first ten days had specialized 24 hr. care that was literally bedside attendance(comatose). When all was said and done and all the bills came in, they totaled well over one million dollars. I paid absolutely nothing out of pocket.

My final choice.....leave everything as it is. The only problem I see is if for some reason I move out of Florida. Unless a law is passed that allows the sale of insurance across state lines, I would then have to find a different source.

[Patrick]

Not unusual, I know of a couple of other cases with the same results. One guys makes about the same and was denied and a guy that makes 40k denied. I am really beginning to wonder actually who qualifies. I am starting to wonder if its a scam since I am hearing more and more of these stories. I would actually like to know who has this insurance and if they indeed get a subsidy and how much they make. Wouldn't it be interesting if it was just a way to extort money out of people to pay for other programs. The Grand Jury said it was a tax maybe we just had our taxes raised so more could be doled out with the excuse being health insurance.

I would not put that past this administration at all !

[Bighead]

Yeah and an increase in premiums is due next year
So why not just not get any and pay the $75 dollar penalty
Also as G-man stated it is about to be where if both spouses employers offer insurance you will have no choice on which plan you will be forced to choose your employers plan no matter the cost or coverage or lack there of
Oh but it will make everything better when everyone has access to health care
Truth be known anyone could get health care before the ACA. All one had to do is visit a hospital and your could get treatment and the bad debt was waaaaaaaay cheaper on the American public than this farce .

[Serk]

I've said since the beginning, Obamacare was designed to fail and take the greatest healthcare system in history with it so that for fear of our lives we'll demand communist style single-payer healthcare.

[old2soon]

I've said since the beginning, Obamacare was designed to fail and take the greatest healthcare system in history with it so that for fear of our lives we'll demand communist style single-payer healthcare.

       Wunder would zero be a contestant on-iz ya smarter than a 10 year old??  RIDE SAFE.

[Alpha Dog]

I've said since the beginning, Obamacare was designed to fail and take the greatest healthcare system in history with it so that for fear of our lives we'll demand communist style single-payer healthcare.

  Bingo
Chuck

[Robert]

Most self insureds pay anywhere from 10 to 15k a year. If you look at a hospital bill you will see that because you have insurance you get a discount. That discount can cut a bill from 60k to 6k. So figure insurance pays half and you pay half. But lets say that you had to pay the whole thing, it would still be 4 to 9k short of the yearly premiums. So why do we pay so much for insurance and not make the discount available to all and each pays his own bills? ? Even mandate that you have to save so much towards medical bills and on top of that have a catastrophic policy at 1% of what most insureds pay now. Hell the penalty tax has cut in that even if you cant afford insurance you are penalized on your taxes.

[..]

Yeah and an increase in premiums is due next year
So why not just not get any and pay the $75 dollar penalty
Also as G-man stated it is about to be where if both spouses employers offer insurance you will have no choice on which plan you will be forced to choose your employers plan no matter the cost or coverage or lack there of
Oh but it will make everything better when everyone has access to health care
Truth be known anyone could get health care before the ACA. All one had to do is visit a hospital and your could get treatment and the bad debt was waaaaaaaay cheaper on the American public than this farce .

I agree. The penalty this year is $315. Next year $625.

My investigation illustrates how this Fed Govt has really made health care worse. Not the utopia that Obama repeatedly told America was just around the corner.

Yet the Dem/Lib/Progs continue to stand behind the lies this Fed Govt has spewed.

[Patrick]

I just heard it reported that the administration failed to realize just how many business's offered health care.  Thats now reason for the low enrollment. Sure it is.

[RudyF6]

I'll try to make a long story short. I insured myself and my wife - fairly healthy, mid 50's and no kids.

Early/mid 2000's, had group ins. at work. 80/20 for the most part, dropped it when premiums went to 1k per mo.

Got individual coverage, 5k deductible, cost around 450/mo. for several years.

ACA came around while I was working a low income job with no benefits, so I qualified for a plan with a $350 deductible (yes, $350!) for $169/mo. with the subsidy. I made more than expected, so had to pay back about 2k of the subsidy at tax time, but still made for a great deal.

NEXT>>>>

New owner bought company, offered benefits. Because I became eligible for an employer sponsored plan, I was no longer eligible for the "Marketplace" plans or subsidies - even though my income didn't change. Suddenly I'm paying $800/mo for $2500 deductible. It's considered "affordable". I was making about 2k/mo.

Quit that job in April this year, COBRA allows for keeping your former employer's insurance. The premium to keep it was $1200/mo. No thanks.

Went back to the marketplace for individual policies, using the same income info from when I had it before, the cheapest available to me now is $650/mo with a $12,000 deductible. (Yes, 12 THOUSAND!!). Since my income was only 4 months, I'm officially below the poverty level and don't qualify for subsidies. Site says I may qualify for Medicaid. I don't.

I don't have insurance now.

Maybe next year.

[G-Man]

I just heard it reported that the administration failed to realize just how many business's offered health care.  Thats now reason for the low enrollment. Sure it is.

So the 30 Million uninsured was a lie?  I mean, a miscalculation? 

Doesn't matter, we were told what it was.  There's no more debate.

It's a redistribution law/tax.  It was a law when rammed down our throats and then became a tax when the supreme court did what it did.

The "architect" of the ACA stated, on several occasions mind you, that the bill was written in such a manner to deceive the people and those that were voting on it.  That it was written in a "tortuous" manner because if the public new that it was designed to redistribute money, they would never get behind it.  This is their own words.  This, and the manner in which it was passed should tell you why it's failing.  it was 700 pages of the shell game.  The Democrats yell that republicans want to take from medicare, but the ACA already took hundreds of billions on page 423.2.3.1.5.6 of the bill  (page # is made up for effect)  Just a redistribution scam.

[therapist]

I think you did something wrong. Even making around 15K would make you medicaid eligible in most states.

[czuch]

A guy goes in for  vasectomy.
The nurse leads him to a room whereshe prepares him for the procedure.
She says the dr. likes the tubes clear so its easier to do a good job.
She slowly undresses and helps clear the tube.
As they pass a room, he sees some guys hunched over looking at magazines furiously beating away.
He asks nurse hot, "Whats that about"?
She replies, "You have insurance, they have obamacare".

[Patrick]

I just heard it reported that the administration failed to realize just how many business's offered health care.  Thats now reason for the low enrollment. Sure it is.

So the 30 Million uninsured was a lie?  I mean, a miscalculation? 

Doesn't matter, we were told what it was.  There's no more debate.

It's a redistribution law/tax.  It was a law when rammed down our throats and then became a tax when the supreme court did what it did.

The "architect" of the ACA stated, on several occasions mind you, that the bill was written in such a manner to deceive the people and those that were voting on it.  That it was written in a "tortuous" manner because if the public new that it was designed to redistribute money, they would never get behind it.  This is their own words.  This, and the manner in which it was passed should tell you why it's failing.  it was 700 pages of the shell game.  The Democrats yell that republicans want to take from medicare, but the ACA already took hundreds of billions on page 423.2.3.1.5.6 of the bill  (page # is made up for effect)  Just a redistribution scam.

The 'Gruber-ing' continues.

[..]

I think you did something wrong. Even making around 15K would make you medicaid eligible in most states.

Please feel free to use the same website with the exact same information I used and then please copy and paste the results.

Thank you.

Waiting to see your finding.

[..]

I think you did something wrong. Even making around 15K would make you medicaid eligible in most states.

Of course you will need my age. 62. Zip code 30075.

[PAVALKER]

I think you did something wrong. Even making around 15K would make you medicaid eligible in most states.

Of course you will need my age. 62. Zip code 30075.

No wonder......   Would there be a big difference if you used 30076 ??  LOL

[dinosnake]

Mind blowing.

I entered a yearly income of $8,400 to find that my yearly premiums for the cheapest plan would be $5,750.00.

What a joke this is.

From the government web site

Based on the information provided, members of this household don't appear to be eligible for a premium tax credit or other savings on health insurance. But you can use the Health Insurance Marketplace to shop for a health plan at full price.

Yet some want more of the same with Bernie and Hillary.


This hypothetical scenario makes one realize how the Obama lies are so evident. The Dem/Lib/Progs are still running around with their craniums completely inserted firmly between their buttocks.

As usual, blaming someone else rather than "your" party for your difficulties.  So, here's the truth:

- you don't qualify for Medicare because your GOP-led state, Georgia, decided not to increase Medicare coverage as planned for by ACA, to cover the gaps

- Georgia decided not to go in for full ACA benefits, including all subsidies

Learn at

http://dch.georgia.gov/sites/dch.georgia.gov/files/related_files/document/Policy_Committee_Presentation-ACA-06-13-13.pdf

You are welcome

[..]

Mind blowing.

I entered a yearly income of $8,400 to find that my yearly premiums for the cheapest plan would be $5,750.00.

What a joke this is.

From the government web site

Based on the information provided, members of this household don't appear to be eligible for a premium tax credit or other savings on health insurance. But you can use the Health Insurance Marketplace to shop for a health plan at full price.

Yet some want more of the same with Bernie and Hillary.


This hypothetical scenario makes one realize how the Obama lies are so evident. The Dem/Lib/Progs are still running around with their craniums completely inserted firmly between their buttocks.

As usual, blaming someone else rather than "your" party for your difficulties.  So, here's the truth:

- you don't qualify for Medicare because your GOP-led state, Georgia, decided not to increase Medicare coverage as planned for by ACA, to cover the gaps

- Georgia decided not to go in for full ACA benefits, including all subsidies

Learn at

http://dch.georgia.gov/sites/dch.georgia.gov/files/related_files/document/Policy_Committee_Presentation-ACA-06-13-13.pdf

You are welcome

Your information shows that this Federal Govt operates the exchange in GA.

You'd rather I was to use Medicare than be able to find a means of buying my own insurance in this hypothetical situation?

Is this the Liberal point of view? Always rely on the Govt and other peoples money?

[..]

I think you did something wrong. Even making around 15K would make you medicaid eligible in most states.

Of course you will need my age. 62. Zip code 30075.

No wonder......   Would there be a big difference if you used 30076 ??  LOL

 

[Roadog]

   I see you are still drinking the cool aid Dinosnake .

[Serk]

Too much government is ruining something..... The problem is you didn't get enough government, pour some more in, it'll make it all better...

It's funny, when I was a kid and this man was in power, I thought he was an idiot... I find it interesting that the older and more experienced in life I get, the wiser he becomes...

[therapist]

Mind blowing.

I entered a yearly income of $8,400 to find that my yearly premiums for the cheapest plan would be $5,750.00.

What a joke this is.

From the government web site

Based on the information provided, members of this household don't appear to be eligible for a premium tax credit or other savings on health insurance. But you can use the Health Insurance Marketplace to shop for a health plan at full price.

Yet some want more of the same with Bernie and Hillary.


This hypothetical scenario makes one realize how the Obama lies are so evident. The Dem/Lib/Progs are still running around with their craniums completely inserted firmly between their buttocks.

As usual, blaming someone else rather than "your" party for your difficulties.  So, here's the truth:

- you don't qualify for Medicare because your GOP-led state, Georgia, decided not to increase Medicare coverage as planned for by ACA, to cover the gaps   

You meant Medicaid, not Medicare.

- Georgia decided not to go in for full ACA benefits, including all subsidies

Learn at

http://dch.georgia.gov/sites/dch.georgia.gov/files/related_files/document/Policy_Committee_Presentation-ACA-06-13-13.pdf

You are welcome

[Robert]

We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.

Abraham Lincoln

Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up, and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable - a most sacred right - a right, which we hope and believe, is to liberate the world.

Abraham Lincoln

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

If the Supreme Court said that O care was a tax then O made an illegal tax, why is it not thrown out?

[..]

Mind blowing.

I entered a yearly income of $8,400 to find that my yearly premiums for the cheapest plan would be $5,750.00.

What a joke this is.

From the government web site

Based on the information provided, members of this household don't appear to be eligible for a premium tax credit or other savings on health insurance. But you can use the Health Insurance Marketplace to shop for a health plan at full price.

Yet some want more of the same with Bernie and Hillary.


This hypothetical scenario makes one realize how the Obama lies are so evident. The Dem/Lib/Progs are still running around with their craniums completely inserted firmly between their buttocks.

As usual, blaming someone else rather than "your" party for your difficulties.  So, here's the truth:

- you don't qualify for Medicare because your GOP-led state, Georgia, decided not to increase Medicare coverage as planned for by ACA, to cover the gaps   

You meant Medicaid, not Medicare.

- Georgia decided not to go in for full ACA benefits, including all subsidies

Learn at

http://dch.georgia.gov/sites/dch.georgia.gov/files/related_files/document/Policy_Committee_Presentation-ACA-06-13-13.pdf

You are welcome

If you were trying to make a point it didn't work 

[Master Blaster]

Just beware when the Dems start preaching something is broken.
Healthcare is broken.
Immigration is broken.
Gun control is broken.
is there a pattern here????

[Oss]

carly said it best

she had a few good one liners repeated over and over but they are tru

Govmt favors the rich and powerful so it must be made small and less powerful except to defend the liberty of the people

Liked the one about Hillary's worst nightmare being a debate with her