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« Reply #40 on: November 13, 2015, 03:34:21 AM » |
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Daddieo, an earnest question for you. You state pipelines are not safe. we should not build keystone for safety reasons. I therfore assume your preference would be to shut down all pipelines, as most of them are not as safe as keystone.
What is your safer solution to moving the many millions of barrels of various liquid products flowing now and in the future?
We NEED those various chemicals, or our society will cease to exist. What do you propose? That could be implemented and used, not pie in the sky.
He can't answer that question. He doesn't even know why the oil production is up. He isn't about to listen anyway. |
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« Reply #41 on: November 13, 2015, 05:45:23 AM » |
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The notion that rail cars represent a lesser threat of major incident vs. pipelines is preposterous. To suggest such is just disingenuous & naive.
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Mark
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« Reply #42 on: November 13, 2015, 08:07:05 AM » |
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You are changing the subject. The subject of this thread is the veto of the Keystone XL pipeline. The Keystone XL pipeline has zero to do with our energy needs. Zero. Pipelines are unfortunately a necessary risk for the transport of our oil. The Keystone pipeline would not transport our oil, but rather the dirtiest of Canadian oil for sale to the Chinese. I am glad it is vetoed. Keep the 6,000 jobs, it is not worth the risk to the environment.
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« Reply #43 on: November 13, 2015, 09:10:29 AM » |
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Drilling at an all time high, making the USA the second largest producer of oil in the world, yet I still hear whining.
A little bit of reality for you. US oil production is at an all time high.
Drilling activity lags a persistent change in the price of oil, as does oil production. I'm afraid your information is old and things have changed in the last nine months.   |
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Patrick
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« Reply #44 on: November 13, 2015, 12:38:17 PM » |
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Drilling at an all time high, making the USA the second largest producer of oil in the world, yet I still hear whining.
A little bit of reality for you. US oil production is at an all time high.
Drilling activity lags a persistent change in the price of oil, as does oil production. I'm afraid your information is old and things have changed in the last nine months. I know. I think thats too bad. I understand why, but, I'd like to see the drilling back to what it was. I'd love to put those ^@$$#I*S out of business. It wouldn't bother me one bit to see them back herding camels and living in tents. The sooner we become completely energy independent I think the better. |
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MP
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« Reply #45 on: November 13, 2015, 02:25:45 PM » |
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You are changing the subject. The subject of this thread is the veto of the Keystone XL pipeline. The Keystone XL pipeline has zero to do with our energy needs. Zero. Pipelines are unfortunately a necessary risk for the transport of our oil. The Keystone pipeline would not transport our oil, but rather the dirtiest of Canadian oil for sale to the Chinese. I am glad it is vetoed. Keep the 6,000 jobs, it is not worth the risk to the environment.
Not true. 100,000 barrels of sweet nd crude would use that line every day. You also have the tree huggers wet dream that stopping keystone, will stop that oil from being used. It will not. It will still be used,shipped by other means. So, in reality, YOU have caused a larger carbon footprint, and a less safe mode of transport, by killing keystone. Thank you for YOUR help in destroying the earth! |
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« Reply #46 on: November 13, 2015, 02:41:57 PM » |
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Look at the graphs you provided. Seriously, look at them. Notice what oil production was like under Bush, then look at what it has been under Obama. Are you seriously going to argue semantics like production is slightly down from a few months ago because of a GLUT of oil, and then say "Damn you Obama!" oil production is down? Oil production has skyrocketed under the current administration, and to say otherwise is false. The International Energy Agency (IEA) and oil producer BP expect the US to be energy independent by 2035. Field production of crude oil and petroleum products in the U.S. has grown 15.2% in the past 12 months from May. http://fortune.com/2014/08/06/u-s-inching-closer-to-energy-independence-as-oil-imports-shrink/To reiterate, the Keystone XL pipeline has ZERO to do with our energy independence. You pretending to want it to go through America solely because you want to help Canada have a smaller carbon footprint is laughable at best. |
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« Reply #47 on: November 13, 2015, 05:06:18 PM » |
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Look at the graphs you provided. Seriously, look at them. Notice what oil production was like under Bush, then look at what it has been under Obama. Are you seriously going to argue semantics like production is slightly down from a few months ago because of a GLUT of oil, and then say "Damn you Obama!" oil production is down? Oil production has skyrocketed under the current administration, and to say otherwise is false. The International Energy Agency (IEA) and oil producer BP expect the US to be energy independent by 2035. Field production of crude oil and petroleum products in the U.S. has grown 15.2% in the past 12 months from May. http://fortune.com/2014/08/06/u-s-inching-closer-to-energy-independence-as-oil-imports-shrink/To reiterate, the Keystone XL pipeline has ZERO to do with our energy independence. You pretending to want it to go through America solely because you want to help Canada have a smaller carbon footprint is laughable at best. As usual, absolutely clueless. Obama has nothing to do with our increase in oil production. He has done everything he can to stop it, these companies just pulled out and drove around him. obama has increased his carbon footprint just as stated in #11[ If I remember correctly] |
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« Reply #48 on: November 13, 2015, 09:34:42 PM » |
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I'm sorry that you are absolutely clueless. Good thing I'm here to clue you in. Oil production is up for a couple of reasons. For one it is due to technology. Drilling techniques such as fracking have been effective and cheaper than offshore drilling. For two, more investing. When oil prices were high, it made it more attractive for companies to invest in drilling. In response to the US catching up and actually surpassing Saudi Arabia to become the world's leading producer of oil, Saudi Arabia has not reduced its oil output because it is afraid of losing market share. Any recent reduction in US drilling is because it is becoming less profitable to do so as oil prices are so low (part of Saudi Arabia's strategy to keep the US from investing more into production). I live in California, where gasoline is notoriously more expensive than other places in our country. I just filled up my tank and it was $2.37 a gallon. Not quite as high as it was under Bush, but then again Obama isn't making more money the higher oil goes like Bush was. Obama isn't responsible for fracking technology, but the leasing of public lands has gone up. The Obama administration has not tried to block the growth in fracking. This week it announced plans to allow offshore oil drilling along the Atlantic Coast from Virginia to Georgia. It would be the first time offshore drilling would be allowed there. Let's hear more whining though, the irony is amusing. Oil production up, making us the world leader. Gas prices down, but still you whine. So blind that you think if you let Canada send dirty oil through the US to sell to China that there will be so many jobs created and the "carbon footprint" that you are so very concerned about will go down. I'm curious as to what else you are doing to reduce carbon footprint, besides lobbying for Keystone XL, because you believe so strongly in global warming.  Oh, the irony |
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« Reply #49 on: November 13, 2015, 10:35:27 PM » |
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daddie-o
remember this famous quote from the movie COOL HAND LIKE
(some people you just cant reach)
some people just need to whine !! be it plural whiners OR singular whiners. its all they know how to do.
your wasting your time......
BECAUSE........
some people you just cant reach!!
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Patrick
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« Reply #50 on: November 14, 2015, 01:07:42 PM » |
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« Reply #51 on: November 14, 2015, 02:22:15 PM » |
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So in summary.... We rate Obama’s claim Mostly False.Really? You don't say?  (the man cannot tell the truth on anything, ever!!!) |
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« Reply #52 on: November 14, 2015, 02:31:26 PM » |
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So in summary.... We rate Obama’s claim Mostly False.Really? You don't say? (the man cannot tell the truth on anything, ever!!!) Ya, well, unfortunately the Kool-Aid company and makers of rose colored glass are still in business. Not much can be or is perfect. But, I still think the sooner we stop buying middle-east oil the better. As long as there are those against fracture or conventional drilling of either gas or crude in this country, then I'd rather get crude from Canada. And, get it here safely. |
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« Reply #53 on: November 14, 2015, 03:11:34 PM » |
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Look at the graphs you provided. Seriously, look at them. Notice what oil production was like under Bush, then look at what it has been under Obama. Are you seriously going to argue semantics like production is slightly down from a few months ago because of a GLUT of oil, and then say "Damn you Obama!" oil production is down? Oil production has skyrocketed under the current administration, and to say otherwise is false. The International Energy Agency (IEA) and oil producer BP expect the US to be energy independent by 2035. Field production of crude oil and petroleum products in the U.S. has grown 15.2% in the past 12 months from May. http://fortune.com/2014/08/06/u-s-inching-closer-to-energy-independence-as-oil-imports-shrink/To reiterate, the Keystone XL pipeline has ZERO to do with our energy independence. You pretending to want it to go through America solely because you want to help Canada have a smaller carbon footprint is laughable at best. As usual, absolutely clueless. Obama has nothing to do with our increase in oil production. He has done everything he can to stop it, these companies just pulled out and drove around him. obama has increased his carbon footprint just as stated in #11[ If I remember correctly] That the Keystone XL pipeline has zero to do with our energy independence is correct assuming the Geo-political state of the World remains static. It is unlikely to remain so. This may or may not have a direct impact on our energy independence. We can't know what the future holds so on this point I would approve the pipeline construction. This as well as any effort to enhance the energy infrastructure of this country goes directly to enhancing our National Security on a number of levels. The physical infrastructure itself. The ability to move significant amounts of oil in reasonable safety is a good thing. Built by the private sector. The economic boost. Jobs for construction and for maintenance. Increased tax revenue from an expanding job base and economic growth. And even if this turns out to be economically unfeasible, it is a private sector endeavor. If it works, there are jobs and good times ahead. If it doesn't, the dirty rotten bastards of big oil takes the hit. But our President, with his vast and impressive business and global economic experience, deems this a waste of time. What an idiot. Too bad. |
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« Reply #54 on: November 14, 2015, 03:49:41 PM » |
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the dirty rotten bastards of big oil
Glad you have such a glowing opinion of the industry that I've been a part of for almost 30 years. Next time you pull up to the pump, shove the water hose in your tank and see how far it gets you. |
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« Reply #55 on: November 14, 2015, 03:58:08 PM » |
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the dirty rotten bastards of big oil
Glad you have such a glowing opinion of the industry that I've been a part of for almost 30 years. Next time you pull up to the pump, shove the water hose in your tank and see how far it gets you.  Some folks should sell their motorcycles, go buy electric scooters and join the ES boards. OH I forgot, most electricity is made by those nasty fossil fuels. Damn. |
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« Reply #56 on: November 14, 2015, 04:44:41 PM » |
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the dirty rotten bastards of big oil
Glad you have such a glowing opinion of the industry that I've been a part of for almost 30 years. Next time you pull up to the pump, shove the water hose in your tank and see how far it gets you. Apparently you missed the nuance. It is not my opinion of them. The point was that the left leaning folks see big oil as dirty rotten bastards. So if the pipeline were to be constructed and fail they would be happy so they should have no reason to oppose it. The flip side is a boon to the economy and everyone does well and that is the team I am on. |
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Xtracho
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« Reply #57 on: November 14, 2015, 04:50:46 PM » |
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the dirty rotten bastards of big oil
Glad you have such a glowing opinion of the industry that I've been a part of for almost 30 years. Next time you pull up to the pump, shove the water hose in your tank and see how far it gets you. Apparently you missed the nuance. It is not my opinion of them. The point was that the left leaning folks see big oil as dirty rotten bastards. So if the pipeline were to be constructed and fail they would be happy so they should have no reason to oppose it. The flip side is a boon to the economy and everyone does well and that is the team I am on. Then I apologize for the misinterpretation. My bad...comment retracted. |
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« Reply #58 on: November 14, 2015, 06:26:51 PM » |
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I think moonshot is mocking the lefties, not actually bad mouthing oil.
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« Reply #59 on: November 17, 2015, 06:15:32 PM » |
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GARFIELD ON THE OIL CRISIS
YOU GOTTA LOVE GARFIELD 'S EXPLANATION -- TOO CUTE!!!
A lot of folks can't understand how we came to have an oil
shortage here in our country.
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Well, there's a very simple answer.
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Nobody bothered to check the oil.
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We just didn't know we were getting low.
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The reason for that is purely geographical.
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Our OIL is located in:
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ALASKA
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California
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Coastal Florida
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Coastal Louisiana
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Coastal Alabama
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Coastal Mississippi
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Coastal Texas
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North Dakota
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Wyoming
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Colorado
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Our dipstick is located in the White House!
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Any Questions?
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