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I watched most of the under card and now watching the main event.
Kasich and Bush have got to go down to the under card or be eliminated all together. Christie and Huckabee should be brought back to the main event.
If any watched tonite, did Paul imply he wants to cut funds to the military? That the way I understood his stance on the budget.
Fiorina,Rubio and Cruz are interesting to me as well a Christie and Huckabee. Trump is falling in my choices and not interested in Paul at all but he's not an idiot.
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« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2015, 07:53:47 PM » |
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I don't know. I'm coming away from this one liking Rand even more. He seems to be the only honest one . Bush has got to be the worst freaking politician I've seen in a long time. He had everything going for him a few months ago and has done everything wrong.
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« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2015, 08:06:00 PM » |
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Rand's still my guy, but I'm a libertarian that reluctantly votes Republican so there's that...
I'd vote for most of the others, but Bush or Kasich I would not vote for. (Or Christie)
Rubio's gonna be a tough one. I really REALLY don't wanna see Clinton 3.0 but I just don't know if I could vote for another sleazy snake oil salesman like Rubio...
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« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2015, 08:27:57 PM » |
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Rubio's gonna be a tough one. I really REALLY don't wanna see Clinton 3.0 but I just don't know if I could vote for another sleazy snake oil salesman like Rubio...
Just out of curiosity what is it about Rubio that makes you feel he's a snake oil salesman? I'm not trying to antagonize I'm just trying to get some insight. |
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« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2015, 08:42:27 PM » |
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Rubio's gonna be a tough one. I really REALLY don't wanna see Clinton 3.0 but I just don't know if I could vote for another sleazy snake oil salesman like Rubio...
Just out of curiosity what is it about Rubio that makes you feel he's a snake oil salesman? I'm not trying to antagonize I'm just trying to get some insight. I've had a few drinks tonight and wanna admit that up front but Rubio... the fact that as Bush has flatlined and Kasich has emploded, the very fact that Rubio is now the "Mainstream" candidate pretty much automatically makes me not like him. I need to dig into his actual platform more and admit most of my distaste is because who I see as "the enemy" likes him now automatically makes me question everything about it. It's like if a dog doesn't like someone, I tend to not trust that person, just because I trust the dog... The inverse is true... if the establishment GOP likes someone, I figure something major has to be wrong with them. |
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« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2015, 03:32:51 AM » |
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Sure was great to have good, straight forward questions, instead of the snarky, pit one against the other, remarks when the libs were moderators.
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« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2015, 04:22:33 AM » |
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A well run debate with no snarky questions
IMHO Fiorina was the big surprise to me and gave some terrific answers to questions and Carson also did really well, especially in the "spin segment" after the debates Trump was mellower than I have ever seen him.
No doubt in my mind that Fiorina would eviscerate Clinton in a debate which is why the establishment would not like her but I bet ya Serk that my dog would come right up to her and sit down. Did not know she was a cancer survivor.
Showed grit and spunk and wit
She is one to watch and I will be reading each website to see their platforms in more detail now
Cruz would be a great Attorney General then later on to Sup Ct
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« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2015, 04:34:14 AM » |
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I think they should all be hooked up to a polygraph and show their results as they speak.  And THEN, if the results go too far negative (indicating a lie), have an electrical shock get their attention.  |
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« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2015, 06:04:28 AM » |
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I think they should all be hooked up to a polygraph and show their results as they speak. And THEN, if the results go too far negative (indicating a lie), have an electrical shock get their attention. Hook one of those up to Hillary & power grids nationwide would be compromised. |
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« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2015, 06:21:48 AM » |
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Rand is my guy!! He said he is a conservative--conservatives live within their means....liberals spend and spend without the cash....we do not have the cash to put it simply. You have to study some to understand what is going on....google"the history of money and banking in the United States" and you will end up on a website "Money Masters .com"......you will then slowly discover the very money changers we fought the Revolutionary War against and the War of 1812 were thru the creation of the Federal Reserve in 1913 given the complete control of our country and they bankrupted us by 1932 for the Great Depression. They print pure counterfeit at a 6% fee and 2-3% interest--John Kennedy ordered the U.S. Treasury to print our money at no cost/debt/interest--well the swells killed him in less than 90 days for that. We are now paying more in interest on our debt than our military!!
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« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2015, 08:28:51 AM » |
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Rand is my guy!! He said he is a conservative--conservatives live within their means....liberals spend and spend without the cash....we do not have the cash to put it simply. You have to study some to understand what is going on....google"the history of money and banking in the United States" and you will end up on a website "Money Masters .com"......you will then slowly discover the very money changers we fought the Revolutionary War against and the War of 1812 were thru the creation of the Federal Reserve in 1913 given the complete control of our country and they bankrupted us by 1932 for the Great Depression. They print pure counterfeit at a 6% fee and 2-3% interest--John Kennedy ordered the U.S. Treasury to print our money at no cost/debt/interest--well the swells killed him in less than 90 days for that. We are now paying more in interest on our debt than our military!!
Wow that is a mouthful. I fought this battle back in the 90s and got a few people to come around but mostly it was like banging my head against the wall. If folks would just read The Secrets of the Federal Reserve or The Creature from Jekyll Island both written by Eustace Mullins they would understand what you have stated is true. Thomas Jefferson understood as did Andrew Jackson when he killed the bank in 1832 I believe. You are spot on about the Depression. First fed expanded money in early 20s and then starting in 1927 began to shrink the money ending with it being a full 1/3 less in early 30s. Dimwits blame the Depression on Smoot Hawley, how convienient to protect the real culprits. John Kennedy may have understood this and why he started to circumvent them and started issuing 5 dollar treasure notes to start, only to soon be taken down. I imagine this came from lessons of his Father who understood these folks very well. The Pauls, both Ron and Rand understand this but with what is perceived and labels put on them as isolationist and crazy Rand stands little chance. I think Cruz understands this and wants changes in the Fed and talked about this some last night. Chuck |
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« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2015, 08:41:10 AM » |
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ANY time the people dont own the Treasury its trouble I agree leaving the gold standard was lunacy but Nixon wanted petrodollars and thats what we have till IMF screws it up
It could be swiss, it could be French, it could be our own WASP's and Masons that were the cronies of FDR, it could be a consortium including Rothschild and the Dutch and many others (its always the faces that you dont see not the face you think you see) Scapegoating is easy when it comes to the Fed Reserve
And it doesnt really matter
You cant have some group lending us our own money but there it is now isnt it
I do think that Kennedy was onto the problem when he wasnt boffing Marilyn and all the other starlets
Paul is an isolationist, plain and simple like his dad. That doesnt work in a Global world.
The Ostrich with its head in the sand might as well have it up its a$$ its gonna die without a fight
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« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2015, 08:44:19 AM » |
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Paul is an isolationist, plain and simple like his dad. That doesnt work in a Global world.
Calling (Ron|Rand) Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because they don't come on your property and break your windows. He's non-interventionist, not isolationist.  |
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« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2015, 09:36:02 AM » |
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Paul is an isolationist, plain and simple like his dad. That doesnt work in a Global world.
Calling (Ron|Rand) Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because they don't come on your property and break your windows. He's non-interventionist, not isolationist. +1 |
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« Reply #14 on: November 11, 2015, 09:38:47 AM » |
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WE NEED MORE WELDERS AND LESS PHILOSOPHERS!
Where's Socrates when you need him?
Best soundbite of the night.
And how about Jindle taking it to Cristie again and again?
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« Reply #15 on: November 11, 2015, 09:46:41 AM » |
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I stand corrected Non Interventionist is a label I can live with for NOW
However WHEN would he deem our interests sufficient to intervene
What is his litmus test
That is a question he needs to answer
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« Reply #16 on: November 11, 2015, 09:50:44 AM » |
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Agree isolationist is a term that is like sending a missile. The Pauls are non interventionist same as the founders. With that said if we do not take out Isis they are capable of recruiting millions into their Calaphate and unleashing terrible consequences. Trouble is we have not done very well in this region and no one wants their sons and daughter to go over their to die and spend many billions or trillions of dollars. It is clear no one running has the right answer and I am not sure there is one. Maybe Trump is right, let the Russians fight them. I know I do not know.
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« Reply #17 on: November 11, 2015, 09:54:59 AM » |
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However WHEN would he deem our interests sufficient to intervene
From his past positions, similar to my own personal ones (How convenient, I know? ) In favor of the attack on Afghanistan, against the attack on Iraq. And he's not against a foreign US military presence, just not as much as we have now. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/01/rand-paul-military-bases_n_2981368.htmlHe also wants congress to actually declare war before we go to war, which I also think would be a good idea... |
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"History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse,intrigue,deceit,and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling money and it's issuance."Thomas Jefferson The modern theory of perpetuation of debt has drenched the earth with blood ,and crushed it's inhabitants under burdens ever accumulating-Thomas Jefferson The government should create,issue and circulate all the currency and credits needed to satisfy the spending power of the government and the buying power of consumers. By adoption of these principles the taxpayors will saved immense sums of interest. Money will cease to be master and become the servant of humanity. Abraham Lincoln
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« Reply #19 on: November 11, 2015, 10:22:09 AM » |
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Agree isolationist is a term that is like sending a missile. The Pauls are non interventionist same as the founders. With that said if we do not take out Isis they are capable of recruiting millions into their Calaphate and unleashing terrible consequences. Trouble is we have not done very well in this region and no one wants their sons and daughter to go over their to die and spend many billions or trillions of dollars. It is clear no one running has the right answer and I am not sure there is one. Maybe Trump is right, let the Russians fight them. I know I do not know.
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« Reply #20 on: November 11, 2015, 10:45:09 AM » |
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Agree isolationist is a term that is like sending a missile. The Pauls are non interventionist same as the founders. With that said if we do not take out Isis they are capable of recruiting millions into their Calaphate and unleashing terrible consequences. Trouble is we have not done very well in this region and no one wants their sons and daughter to go over their to die and spend many billions or trillions of dollars. It is clear no one running has the right answer and I am not sure there is one. Maybe Trump is right, let the Russians fight them. I know I do not know.
Chuck
Anybody that thinks the Rooskies are going to help in our interests is mistaken. I trust them about as much as the Iranians . Hey. Like you I would not trust the Russians any further than I could throw them. And them being there probably is not in our interest. But they are there and not going away anytime soon and if they want to waste their comrads lives by fighting the POS Isis then let them have at it for now. What are we going to do about it anyway . Respectfully Chuck |
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« Reply #21 on: November 11, 2015, 10:50:54 AM » |
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Heard during the debate about Obama saving the auto industry.
Hey Oldmobile, Pontiac, Saturn, Mercury, and Plymouth, you want to reply to this?
Then that whole clunker thing killed the used car market for a bit and Toyotas and Hondas had record sales during those months.
How soon people forget.
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« Reply #23 on: November 11, 2015, 11:10:03 AM » |
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Agree isolationist is a term that is like sending a missile. The Pauls are non interventionist same as the founders. With that said if we do not take out Isis they are capable of recruiting millions into their Calaphate and unleashing terrible consequences. Trouble is we have not done very well in this region and no one wants their sons and daughter to go over their to die and spend many billions or trillions of dollars. It is clear no one running has the right answer and I am not sure there is one. Maybe Trump is right, let the Russians fight them. I know I do not know.
Chuck
Anybody that thinks the Rooskies are going to help in our interests is mistaken. I trust them about as much as the Iranians . Hey. Like you I would not trust the Russians any further than I could throw them. And them being there probably is not in our interest. But they are there and not going away anytime soon and if they want to waste their comrads lives by fighting the POS Isis then let them have at it for now. What are we going to do about it anyway . Respectfully Chuck I hear you. In my opinion we should helping the Kurds with arms and intelligence as much as we can. They are the only ones that have shown they are willing to fight. The freaking Iraqi army and the Free Syrians are a joke. We have poured more time and money and our blood into helping them. Only to have them run like scared little girls.  |
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« Reply #24 on: November 11, 2015, 11:32:24 AM » |
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I think they should all be hooked up to a polygraph and show their results as they speak. And THEN, if the results go too far negative (indicating a lie), have an electrical shock get their attention. what a terrific idea. |
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Putin says we are the two Christian Super powers and should hand in hand in this fight and in the world----the russians now have a state sponsored network "RT"-Russia today--google it--it is great-- where they are very successfully getting their message to the average american....to understand the long standing bias..... google"150 years of the English establishment vs the Russian bogeyman"
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